Spotting Heretics

[Marymog]

Has not God said He would give the Holy Spirit to them that ask Him? And is not this Spirit a real, true actual guide?

Well, the men of the Catholic Church asked for guidence from the Holy Spirit. And the men of the Mormon denomination asked also. And you asked...and Martin Luther asked and Calvin and @Ferris Bueller....Odly enough all have come up with different truths from the same Holy Spirit....You should re-think your theory.

 

[Marymog]

And it's not in error because YOU say it's not in error, right?

You lack self awareness.

Nope, not ME....but The Church kiddo. YOU are the one who has professed yourself to know the truth. I have only professed that The Church knows AND teaches the truth because The Church is the pillar and foundation of truth....just like Scripture says. Scripture does not say that YOU are the pillar and foundation of truth kiddo

 

[amigo de christo]

I know...I know...YOU are preaching the "truth"...and no one else is.....

There are other lambs who also preach the truth . Flee the CC and never look back . You keep using the same ol blanket statement against me .
YET i never once claimed to be the only one speaking truth . I worry for your soul and out of great love and dire concern for you
i simply warn you all to leave that place and learn CHRIST for yourselves . I will continue to pray for you also .

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Well, the men of the Catholic Church asked for guidence from the Holy Spirit. And the men of the Mormon denomination asked also. And you asked...and Martin Luther asked and Calvin and @Ferris Bueller....Odly enough all have come up with different truths from the same Holy Spirit....You should re-think your theory.

Your error is thinking this somehow means there is no truth to be guided into by the Holy Spirit.
Just because some are deluded into thinking they are following the Holy Spirit, and that all true believers are in a continuing journey of discerning the truth doesn't mean there is no such thing as what John describes in 1 John 2:20-27. The Catholics reject what John says about this in scripture. They have not been faithful to the original apostles teachings.

 

[amigo de christo]

Nope, not ME....but The Church kiddo. YOU are the one who has professed yourself to know the truth. I have only professed that The Church knows AND teaches the truth because The Church is the pillar and foundation of truth....just like Scripture says. Scripture does not say that YOU are the pillar and foundation of truth kiddo

The JW has the same kind of trust you do , THEY TRUST IN THEIR OWN Watchtower for Truth
just as the Catholic does its leaders . Just like the mormons trust in their headship , just like and the list goes on and on .
THE common factor in you all is not what you beleive but that your TRUST IS HELD SOLID in YOUR LEADERSHIP
just as thier is . TIME TO LEARN JESUS FOR YOURSELF . Cause this dire trust in your institution is as dangerous
as the trust the JW has in the watchtower and the mormon in its leadership . THEY ALL TRUST IN MEN
and men who led them astray and yet they cannot see it . START learning CHRIST FOR YOURSELF .
I have seen mormons , jw , catholics and others who began to learn the scrips for themselves under the grace of GOD
and they all LEFT such places . ITS TIME for you to do the same my friend . Out of great love and dire concern for your soul
i simply remind you .

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Nope, not ME....but The Church kiddo. YOU are the one who has professed yourself to know the truth. I have only professed that The Church knows AND teaches the truth because The Church is the pillar and foundation of truth....just like Scripture says. Scripture does not say that YOU are the pillar and foundation of truth kiddo

You're not real smart about scripture. All true born again believers constitute the church, the pillar and foundation of the truth. You don't get this because you have been programmed to automatically understand 'the church' as the leadership of the Catholic institution. You have been taught wrong. And you were taught to only rely on what the Catholic institution says is truth and that you can not know what is true and what is not for yourself. That's a formula for disaster.

 

[Marymog]

It’s weird.

It’s almost like you are not aware that the Holy Bible is widely available…

The Bible contains the true teachings from God through his holy prophets.

Anyone who comes along wearing beautiful attire and teaches contrary to the teachings in the Bible is a heretic, plain and simple.

“For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.” (Revelation 22:18-19)

This includes the POPE! Himself a man!

Lol...Right...I am not aware that the bible is widly available....

So anyone that comes along NOT wearing beautiful attire can NOT teach contrary to the Bible?

Here is what it comes down to Michiah....YOU decide who is teaching contrary to the bible. @amigo de christo also believes that he decides who is teaching contrary to the bible. @Ferris Bueller also believes that he decides who is teaching contrary to the bible.

Funny things is....You all accuse each other of teaching opposite of the bible. You 3 amigos crack me up....

 

[amigo de christo]

Good link. Too bad you can't read it without your Calvinoid lenses.
5 Big fat lies.
Here are the seven most common myths about indulgences:
Myth 1: A person can buy his way out of hell with indulgences.
Since indulgences remit only temporal penalties, they cannot remit the eternal penalty of hell. Once a person is in hell, no amount of indulgences will ever change that fact. The only way to avoid hell is by appealing to God’s eternal mercy while still alive. After death, one’s eternal fate is set (Heb. 9:27).

Myth 2: A person can buy indulgences for sins not yet committed.
The Church has always taught that indulgences do not apply to sins not yet committed. The Catholic Encyclopedia notes, “[An indulgence] is not a permission to commit sin, nor a pardon of future sin; neither could be granted by any power.”

Myth 3: A person can “buy forgiveness” with indulgences.
The definition of indulgences presupposes that forgiveness has already taken place: “An indulgence is a remission before God of the temporal punishment due to sins whose guilt has already been forgiven” (Indulgentarium Doctrina 1, emphasis added). Indulgences in no way forgive sins. They deal only with punishments left after sins have been forgiven.

Myth 4: Indulgences were invented as a means for the Church to raise money.
Indulgences developed from reflection on the sacrament of reconciliation. They are a way of shortening the penance of sacramental discipline and were in use centuries before money-related problems appeared.

Myth 5: An indulgence will shorten your time in purgatory by a fixed number of days.
The number of days which used to be attached to indulgences were references to the period of penance one might undergo during life on earth. The Catholic Church does not claim to know anything about how long or short purgatory is in general, much less in a specific person’s case.

Myth 6: A person can buy indulgences.
The Council of Trent instituted severe reforms in the practice of granting indulgences, and, because of prior abuses, “in 1567 Pope Pius V canceled all grants of indulgences involving any fees or other financial transactions” (Catholic Encyclopedia).

The Church corrected the abuses 455 years ago, and arrogant Protestants can't stop complaining about it.

Myth 7: A person used to be able to buy indulgences.
One never could “buy” indulgences. The financial scandal surrounding indulgences that gave Martin Luther an excuse for his heterodoxy, involved indulgences in which the giving of alms to some charitable fund or foundation was used as the occasion to grant the indulgence. There was no outright selling of indulgences. The Catholic Encyclopedia states: “Among the good works which might be encouraged by being made the condition of an indulgence, almsgiving would naturally hold a conspicuous place. . . . To give money to God or to the poor is a praiseworthy act, and, when it is done from right motives, it will surely not go unrewarded.”

Being able to explain these seven myths will be a large step in helping others to understand indulgences. But, there are still questions to be asked:, that we are not afraid to answer head on. see Myths about Indulgences

Another big fat lie.
The Church does, and always has, taught faith in Christ, but "faith alone" in the absence of hope and love, is not in the Bible. So it depends on what you mean by "faith", as any Protestant would agree we are not justified by mere intellectual assent.

Then I read the Council of Trent, which some Protestant friends had suggested I do. What I found was shocking. I found a document that had been nearly universally misrepresented by many Protestants, including some friends.

I do not believe, however, that the misrepresentation is the result of purposeful deception. But rather, it is the result of reading Trent with Protestant assumptions and without a charitable disposition.

For example, Trent talks about the four causes of justification, which correspond somewhat to Aristotle’s four causes. None of these causes is the work of the individual Christian. For, according to Trent, God’s grace does all the work. However, Trent does condemn “faith alone,” but what it means is mere intellectual assent without allowing God’s grace to be manifested in one’s actions and communion with the Church. This is why Trent also condemns justification by works.

I am convinced that the typical “Council of Trent” rant found on anti-Catholic websites is the Protestant equivalent of the secular urban legend that everyone prior to Columbus believed in a flat earth.

by Francis Beckwith, former President of the Evangelical Theological Society.
Francis Beckwith Interview – Jimmy Akin​

You should quote the Council of Trent instead of making up more lies. Sola gratia, solo Christo, and Soli Deo gloria are Catholic truths you borrowed from us. Trent does not condemn them, you just assert it does with no proof and no quotes, just lies. Sola scriptura and sola fide were inventions (largely for political reasons) by a man who was mentally disturbed.
Martin Luther - Hitler's Spiritual Ancestor by Peter F. Wiener

In 1937, a Copenhagen Psychiatrist, Paul J. Reiter MD wrote a 2 volume study, Martin Luther's World Character and Psychosis and the Influence of These Factors on his Development and Teachings which also demonstrated in detail from his own writings that Luther was mentally disturbed.

There is a review of Reiter's book here:

Martin Luther's World Character and Psychosis and the Influence of These Factors on his Development and Teachings. 2 Volumes.): By Paul J. Reiter, M.D.

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SEE . when folks read things under the lens of calvin they are gonna see things the way Calvin taught
THE SAME WITH THE CC my friend . YOU can see the dangers in calvinism and yet cannot see the dangers in the CC .
THIS is what i am talking about . And many other places do the same thing . TIME to learn CHRIST for YOURSELF .
Out of great love and dire concern for your soul i say these things . I will pray for you .

 

[Marymog]

Yep. We've been sorting out the junk left by the Catholics ever since. The Catholics suppressed the truth and we've been slowly working our way back since. They made quite a mess of things.

Lol....Do you even realize what you are saying Ferris? Who is the WE in "We've"???? YOU? The Methodist Church? Lutherens? Mormons? Joe who built a building on Main Street, Anywhere USA and called it a church and teaches HIS truth? ALL of you are sorting it out? How is that working out for you Ferris? You have made it clear that YOU have the truth....Why should I listen to anyone else?

 

[Ferris Bueller]

YOU are the one who has professed yourself to know the truth.

I'm LEARNING the truth.
Even if I thought I knew everything that is truth, I'd still leave room for more truth to be learned.
But one things for sure. The mistruths of the Catholic religion have been laid open for all to see who want to see.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Lol....Do you even realize what you are saying Ferris? Who is the WE in "We've"???? YOU? The Methodist Church? Lutherens? Mormons?

Good grief, M, you're grasping, lol.
'We' means non-Catholics.
You obviously are not included in that and so we are distinguished that way from you.

 

[amigo de christo]

I'm LEARNING the truth.
Even if I thought I knew everything that is truth, I'd still leave room for more truth to be learned.
But one things for sure. The mistruths of the Catholic religion have been laid open for all to see who want to see.

Yes indeed my friend . Yes indeed . Very dangerous is that place .

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Ferris? You have made it clear that YOU have the truth....Why should I listen to anyone else?

It's like you haven't heard anything I've said.
You know the truth by the Holy Spirit, not by any man, even me, saying it's truth.
You're trying so hard to avoid and discredit the truth of 1 John 2:20-27. You have been mislead by your Catholic leadership who doesn't have the courage to acknowledge the Biblical truth that they are accountable to the Holy Spirit's voice in the hearts and minds of God's true people.

 

[Marymog]

I see I have to tell you AGAIN the three reasons why there is Biblically supported division among true believers.

Yup, there must be factions among us so that those who are approved may be recognized among you.

Sooooo how has that worked out for you Protestants Ferris? Not so good kiddo. You have divided 13,000 times by some estimates!

 

[Marymog]

No, because my men, the original authors of the Bible, say it's in error.
Someday you might get this! Okay...probably not, lol.

Yup, YOU know how to properly interpret Scripture...and no one else does!

 

[Marymog]

It's like you haven't heard anything I've said.
You know the truth by the Holy Spirit, not by any man, even me, saying it's truth.
You're trying so hard to avoid and discredit the truth of 1 John 2:20-27. You have been mislead by your Catholic leadership who doesn't have the courage to acknowledge the Biblical truth that they are accountable to the Holy Spirit's voice in the hearts and minds of God's true people.

I have read every heretical word you have written.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Joe who built a building on Main Street, Anywhere USA and called it a church and teaches HIS truth?

If HIS Truth is not the truth of God he does not have or represent the truth.
Why is this so hard for you to grasp...except that you have been so programmed and mislead by the Catholic leadership who insist you can not discern spiritual truth for yourself via the Holy Spirit and that only they can do that for you.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

You all accuse each other of teaching opposite of the bible. You 3 amigos crack me up....

I had a disagreement with @Ferris Bueller once. But I haven’t had any issues with @amigo de christo

Beware of Elguapo.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Yup, YOU know how to properly interpret Scripture...and no one else does!

You're so desperate for an argument, lol!

The Bible says we interpret truth by the HOLY SPIRIT. That is how one interprets the truth of scripture. You don't believe this because you defer to the teachings of your 'men' who say they interpret whether something is truth of not instead of the teachings of the original Apostles who say the Holy Spirit does that in the believer.

 

[Marymog]

Good grief, M, you're grasping, lol.
'We' means non-Catholics.
You obviously are not included in that and so we are distinguished that way from you.

Ok......All Protestants are "non-Catholics". Sooooooooo how is it all of you have different truths if all of you are "right"?

Can you sincerely not grasp how what you are saying makes ZERO sense?