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[Brakelite]

This is false. Beasts are often not individuals but they can be like the second beast of Revelation 13, the false prophet who is an individual yet is called a beast.

Where in the text does it suggest that unlike other beasts of prophecy, that particular one refers to an individual? If God wants us to understand prophecy, which He does, wouldn't He be consistent in His symbolism? Now while I would agree that at the head of all those political systems there is one king/president/prime minister of Pope who in the chief spokesman, he is but the representative of a system of power and governance that the beast is the symbol of. Proof of this lies in the long enduring life spans of the entities involved, and the changing of leadership that oversaw the prophetic events of history.
You guys need to cut loose from your futurist mindsets and recognize that futurism and preterism was a creation of the beast itself in order to divert the accusing fingers of the reformers to the distant future or the distant past... Anywhere but to itself. Consider that there are other ways to look at prophecy which makes far greater sense, and is evidentially based on history rather than wishful thinking regarding some future individual which cannot possibly fulfill all the criteria demanded of Antichrist by the prophecies themselves.

 

[ewq1938]

7 years ago. What happened since then?

Well, some 30 years ago something imaginary happened so that I guess...

I'm the 1990s the Lutheran church signed the document agreeing with the Catholic Church on the meaning of justification by faith.

 

[ewq1938]

Where in the text does it suggest that unlike other beasts of prophecy, that particular one refers to an individual?

His title? A false prophet is a singular human male person.

 

[covenantee]

The antichrist is very much an individual and everything written about him proves that.

Not according to John.

1 John 2:18
Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

A single future antichrist is a deception spawned in the counter reformation of the apostate papacy, in its attempt to defeat the Reformation.

It failed.

 

[Brakelite]

His title? A false prophet is a singular human male person.

You don't think a church, or denomination, or movement can act as a false prophetic movement?

 

[quietthinker]

The Reformers' diagnosis was correct.

And of course, my diagnoses is correct also. See, I'm not just a quiet thinker.....I'm a quick thinker as well ...... Ohhhh, you haven't seen my diagnoses? ....it's there.....been in these pages for some time.......but who can hear it.....yes, who can hear it?

 

[ewq1938]

You don't think a church, or denomination, or movement can act as a false prophetic movement?

A person is called a false prophet, not a denomination. It's a singular man, the same man Paul called the man of sin. More proof that a beast can be a person:

Ecclesiastes 3:18 I said in mine heart concerning the estate of the sons of men, that God might manifest them, and that they might see that they themselves are beasts.


Titus 1:12 One of themselves, even a prophet of their own, said, The Cretians are alway liars, evil beasts, slow bellies.


2 Peter 2:12 But these, as natural brute beasts, made to be taken and destroyed, speak evil of the things that they understand not; and shall utterly perish in their own corruption;


Jude 1:10 But these speak evil of those things which they know not: but what they know naturally, as brute beasts, in those things they corrupt themselves.

The second beast of Revelation is a person.

 

[covenantee]

And of course, my diagnoses is correct also. See, I'm not just a quiet thinker.....I'm a quick thinker as well ...... Ohhhh, you haven't seen my diagnoses? ....it's there.....been in these pages for some time.......but who can hear it.....yes, who can hear it?

Are you a Reformer thinker?

Good for you.

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

Thus the Antichrist is not an individual, but a political power or civil or secular power, but having a religious face, for it enforces worship according to its own character and beliefs.

Why not read the context of the passage. The Beast is identified as a person!!!


"5 and there was given to him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and there was given to him authority to continue forty and two months.

6 And he opened his mouth for blasphemies against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, [even] them that dwell in the heaven.

7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and there was given to him authority over every tribe and people and tongue and nation.

8 And all that dwell on the earth shall worship him, [every one] whose name hath not been written from the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb that hath been slain." Rev. 5-8

How can you miss that? Or will you just dismiss that as symbolism, a personification?

More support:

“And in the latter time of their kingdom,
When the transgressors have reached their fullness,
A king shall arise,
Having fierce features,
Who understands sinister schemes.
24 His power shall be mighty, but not by his own power;
He shall destroy fearfully,
And shall prosper and thrive;
He shall destroy the mighty, and also the holy people." Daniel 8:23-24

"He shall speak pompous words against the Most High,
Shall persecute the saints of the Most High,
And shall intend to change times and law.
Then the saints shall be given into his hand
For a time and times and half a time." (3 1/2 years) Daniel 7:25

More ...

"Then the king shall do according to his own will: he shall exalt and magnify himself above every god, shall speak blasphemies against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the wrath has been accomplished; for what has been determined shall be done." Daniel 11:36

The Beast has seven heads which represent seven nations. Its ten horns represent teh kings. Three are removed (plucked) and one Little Horn surfaces and becomed the AntiChrist, who is empowered by Satan. ( Daniel 7:8)
The Antichrist gathers these nations to war against Israel. Likely it is an Islamic leader (of Iran) and as history has shown numerous times, these nations surrounding Israel will once again attack them.
Possibilities: Could the Antichrist, not be Islamic? Sure. It could Klaus Schwab, a Rothschild, likely not Gates or Soros (but they are in on it). This guy, whoever he is, is an atheist, he is against Christ and antiSemitic. He might be of Jewish decent. So could set it up for Iran to attack Israel somehow. Putin has helped Iran with their nuclear program, and Syria and has a base in Syria (so he is indirectly involved). He could be the Antichrist?

But frankly, to imply that the Catholic Church or the Pope is the antiChrist is foolish mistake.

 

[ewq1938]

How can you miss that? Or will you just dismiss that as symbolism, a personification?

It's just Greek grammar. The word Beast is neuter not masculine, same with the pronoun AUTOS. It is normal to translate it as a masculine pronoun but that doesn't make the beast a man or male. Babylon is referred to a her but this is not a an actual female.

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

It's just Greek grammar. The word Beast is neuter not masculine, same with the pronoun AUTOS. It is normal to translate it as a masculine pronoun but that doesn't make the beast a man or male. Babylon is referred to a her but this is not a an actual female.

If that is how you interpret scripture, you will fail. Scripture is spiritually discerned. Getting your Lexicon or Strongs out is helpful, but it will not give you depth of understand as the Holy Spirit does. That leads me to the question: Are you a born again believer, baptized by the Holy Spirit? Are you not the temple of the Holy Spirit, or is your conselor the Greek Lexicon?
Babylon is where all the false religions, occults, astrology, mysticism, was generated out of and spread through the world. So Babylon is the whore that the world fornicated with. Babylon is the world system.

 

[covenantee]

But frankly, to imply that the Catholic Church or the Pope is the antiChrist is foolish mistake.

If the Reformers had failed to recognize and confront the antichrist of the apostate papacy, where would you be today?

Hint: Not here on this forum.

 

[ewq1938]

If that is how you interpret scripture, you will fail.

No, your way of interpreting scripture is how to fail, upholding ignorance of a language scripture is written in. the Holy Spirit leads one to the proper knowledge of the languages God used.

 

[Philip James]

. Babylon is the world system.

 

[Keraz]

If the Reformers had failed to recognize and confront the antichrist of the apostate papacy, where would you be today?

Hint: Not here on this forum.

The Reformers recognized the Popes as anti-Christs. As 1 John 2:18 tells us. They established the Protestant Church's, as God willed it it be.
But in the end times, there will rise a powerful and charismatic man; the epitome of opposition to Christ. He is referred to as the 'beast' in Revelation 13.
The Roman Catholic Church remains as a powerful entity today. Many of its members do renounce the worst of their doctrines and do live a righteous life. But the Pope and the hierarchy of the RCC will be destroyed by the Anti-Christ man in the end times. Revelation 17:15-18

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

If the Reformers had failed to recognize and confront the antichrist of the apostate papacy, where would you be today?

Hint: Not here on this forum.

Did you ever meet and talk to a Priest or a Nun? If so, did you sense evil in them or good? The Catholic Church carried us for a thousand years til the Reformation, then now the torch is carried by both. So much good has been spread, missions, orphanages, hospitals, charity, in the name of Jesus by the Catholic Church. If you can't see that than you have something that Satan put in you yourself, hate!

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

No, your way of interpreting scripture is how to fail, upholding ignorance of a language scripture is written in. the Holy Spirit leads one to the proper knowledge of the languages God used.

Oh yeah, you're ignorant! lol

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

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Right, a representation of the world system, the United Nations. They are behind the Great Reset, Global Warming (global governance in disguise).

 

[ewq1938]

Oh yeah, you're ignorant! lol

No, it's you. You have already shown your willful ignorance about Greek grammar. You think the Holy Spirit is just going to show you things that contradict how the Holy Spirit inspired the scriptures to be written. Smart.

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

No, it's you. You have already shown your willful ignorance about Greek grammar. You think the Holy Spirit is just going to show you things that contradict how the Holy Spirit inspired the scriptures to be written. Smart.