Here's some data on John 10:33

[The Learner]

Hmmmm... so no answer to the question????... I mean if you held to the Bible as being the word of God then you go against it by not answering the questions...lol... not surprising actually...

please, state the question as one short sentence. I did not see a question at the link, just nonsense.

 

[True Faith]

please, state the question as one short sentence. I did not see a question at the link, just nonsense.

Then you did not read it... go back and read it again..

 

[The Learner]

Then you did not read it... go back and read it again..

I read it.

 

[True Faith]

I read it.

what is the post number you are referring to???

 

[True Faith]

I read it.

which link are you referring to???

 

[True Faith]

I read it.

I mean what part of the OP to my thread do you consider nonsense???

Everything is laid out and I also included the Doctrine of the Trinity... what part of it do you not understand??? the question is the link... No one can prove that Jesus is or was God Himself without making both out to be liars...

John 6:38 "For I have come down from heaven not to do mine own will but the will of him that sent me."

to prove that Jesus was God Himself or even God the Son, you have to prove how it is possible for God to lie... That is if you hold to Jesus being God Himself or him being God the Son....

 

[The Learner]

what is the post number you are referring to???

It was this link refered to: Is Jesus God Himself or God the Son?

 

[The Learner]

I mean what part of the OP to my thread do you consider nonsense???

Everything is laid out and I also included the Doctrine of the Trinity... what part of it do you not understand??? the question is the link... No one can prove that Jesus is or was God Himself without making both out to be liars...

John 6:38 "For I have come down from heaven not to do mine own will but the will of him that sent me."

to prove that Jesus was God Himself or even God the Son, you have to prove how it is possible for God to lie... That is if you hold to Jesus being God Himself or him being God the Son....

"to prove that Jesus was God Himself or even God the Son, you have to prove how it is possible for God to lie... That is if you hold to Jesus being God Himself or him being God the Son...."
It is this quote and claiming one would make God and the Son of God a liar.

 

[True Faith]

"to prove that Jesus was God Himself or even God the Son, you have to prove how it is possible for God to lie... That is if you hold to Jesus being God Himself or him being God the Son...."
It is this quote and claiming one would make God and the Son of God a liar.

well it is truth... if a person would hold to that belief they would have to prove it without making God or Jesus out to be liars... not a hard thing to understand....

John 6:38 "For I have come down from Heaven not to do mine own will but the will of him that sent me."

I mean if Jesus was the second person of God "God the Son" then Jesus "God the Son" lied.... If Jesus was God Himself then God Himself lied...

 

[Wrangler]

It does not destroy the trinity. The members of the godhead share the same Divine nature.

There is no godhead. Only a bad trinitarian translation with ‘James’ in the title even imposed that word onto unitarian text.

And there are no members to the godhead. All of God’s children share his divine nature - as we are sealed with his Spirit - but that does not make us God.

 

[Wrangler]

The second definition is "pertaining to being the only one of its kind or class, unique in kind." This is the meaning that is implied in John 3:16

Complete nonsense.

John 3:16 explicitly juxtaposes God with who he gave and who he loved. There is no implied 2 deities in one there.

John 3:16 does not reference ‘the Father’ AS IF the Father is anyone other than God. God - in his unitarian nature - loved and gave. God - in his unitarian nature - is the only subject of John 3:16.

The objects of the sentence in John 3:16, passively being acted upon, loved and given were the world and ‘his son.’

This is basic reading comprehension and it completely destroys the trinity AS DOES Deut 6:4.

 

[True Faith]

Yeshua was / is the Son of God....a full fledged God that sits on the right hand of Yahweh.
List the miracles....no man could do the miracles that He did.
Tens of thousands of Jews were crucified, only one could redeem us from our sins.
Only a God could resurrect from the dead.
But still you cannot kill a God. His body died but Yeshua the God never died. Much to Satan chagrin.
But talking about a nature, what is a nature of a man that searches the scriptures to try to formulate a religion that believes Yeshua was not a God and hell does not exist. How will they explain that on Judgment Day....Just a man sending them to hell.

It is quite clear that you have not read scripture at all... "A full fledged God" so now there are two of them up there sitting side by side???...

Then you claim that "No man can do the miracles that he did"... interesting because even Jesus said to his disciples to go out and heal the sick and raise the dead... miracles that Jesus did.. Matthew 10:5-8 "5These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not: 6But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. 7And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand. 8Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give."

Then he goes on to say John 14:12 "Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father."....

Need I go any further???

Please read your bible before making false statements like that....

 

[Wrangler]

Then you claim that "No man can do the miracles that he did"...Then he goes on to say John 14:12 "Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father."....

Need I go any further???

No matter how far you go, the idolatry of the 3-is-1-ers goes on, like this, ‘Yabut…’

 

[True Faith]

No matter how far you go, the idolatry of the 3-is-1-ers goes on, like this, ‘Yabut…’

it is what it is... they choose to believe and teach a lie... that is on them.. all we can do is show them where they went wrong according to scripture...

I know, I know, they are probably gonna say something like "How do you know we are the ones who are wrong?" or something to that affect...

Simple answer, "You believe that Jesus and God are both liars.", that is how you answer that last question type...

I mean they ignore the fact that Jesus never claimed to be God Himself, yet they will cherry pick scripture to establish their lies...

John 6:38 "For I have come down from heaven not to do mine own will but the will of him that sent me." Just one of the many verses where those who believe that Jesus was "God the Son" or "God Himself" can never answer without making God Himself out to be a lair...

They will always say something like "But Jesus has to be God because he did all those miracles."... clearly they have never read scripture for edification...

In the end, anyone who believes that Jesus is or ever was God Himself are doing the exact same thing the Jews did with the exception of crucifying him physically... They support what the Jesus claim as blasphemy... The Jews had him crucified because that thought he was making himself God... Pay attention to what Paul says about Jewish fables.. Titus 1:14"Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth." lol...

The Jewish Fable John 10:33 "The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God."

Trinitarian "Jesus is God Himself" of "Jesus is God the Son" .....

Pure and simple and clear as day... these people never actually read scripture for edification at all and there is absolutely no truth in them...

 

[Grailhunter]

It is quite clear that you have not read scripture at all... "A full fledged God" so now there are two of them up there sitting side by side???...

LOL LOL you so funny! Yes sir! Yeshua sits to the right hand of Yahweh. Is that news to you?

Then you claim that "No man can do the miracles that he did"... interesting
because even Jesus said to his disciples to go out and heal the sick and raise the dead...

Well it is the amount and type of miracles....they did not resurrect themselves from the dead....The miracles seemed to be focused on Peter.....he raised Tabatha from the dead....Poor Stephen could have used a miracle....and as the Apostles were martyred they could have raised each other from the dead. Sustained 12 Apostles until Yeshua returned.

They could have been the greatest physicians, but they or maybe just Peter healed a few. Were they holding back? Remember the Parable of the Talents....Were they burying there gifts.

They could have been the greatest weather forecasters....but they did not have control of the weather.

They could have feed millions but they did not have control of matter....

Walk on water....nope....they still needed boats.

They could have called up Moses and have a talk with Him.

Either way, the power to perform miracles was not within them, Yeshua gave them the power to perform some miracles.

 

[True Faith]

LOL LOL you so funny! Yes sir! Yeshua sits to the right hand of Yahweh. Is that news to you?



Well it is the amount and type of miracles....they did not resurrect themselves from the dead....The miracles seemed to be focused on Peter.....he raised Tabatha from the dead....Poor Stephen could have used a miracle....and as the Apostles were martyred they could have raised each other from the dead. Sustained 12 Apostles until Yeshua returned.

They could have been the greatest physicians, but they or maybe just Peter healed a few. Were they holding back? Remember the Parable of the Talents....Were they burying there gifts.

They could have been the greatest weather forecasters....but they did not have control of the weather.

They could have feed millions but they did not have control of matter....

Walk on water....nope....they still needed boats.

They could have called up Moses and have a talk with Him.

Either way, the power to perform miracles was not within them, Yeshua gave them the power to perform some miracles.

Ok so you are not monotheistic then... so why would you be in a monotheistic forum??? sorry but nothing you say from here on out means a single thing...

 

[Wrangler]

I know, I know, they are probably gonna say something like "How do you know we are the ones who are wrong?" or something to that affect...

Simple answer, "You believe that Jesus and God are both liars.", that is how you answer that last question type...

But they don’t get that, like a puppies who does not understand words on the newspaper they pee on.

Their command of elementary reading comprehension and logic has been short circuited by the trinity indoctrination.

If a verse said Jesus was IN at the time of X, it is not a definitive statement to them relative to Jesus whereabouts at that particular time. Sure, he was IN, they admit, but he could have also been OUT at the EXACT SAME TIME cuz all things are possible with who is not Jesus.

Sad but true.

 

[Grailhunter]

it is what it is... they choose to believe and teach a lie... that is on them.. all we can do is show them where they went wrong according to scripture...

I know, I know, they are probably gonna say something like "How do you know we are the ones who are wrong?" or something to that affect...

Simple answer, "You believe that Jesus and God are both liars.", that is how you answer that last question type...

I mean they ignore the fact that Jesus never claimed to be God Himself, yet they will cherry pick scripture to establish their lies...

John 6:38 "For I have come down from heaven not to do mine own will but the will of him that sent me." Just one of the many verses where those who believe that Jesus was "God the Son" or "God Himself" can never answer without making God Himself out to be a lair...

They will always say something like "But Jesus has to be God because he did all those miracles."... clearly they have never read scripture for edification...

In the end, anyone who believes that Jesus is or ever was God Himself are doing the exact same thing the Jews did with the exception of crucifying him physically... They support what the Jesus claim as blasphemy... The Jews had him crucified because that thought he was making himself God... Pay attention to what Paul says about Jewish fables.. Titus 1:14"Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth." lol...

The Jewish Fable John 10:33 "The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God."

Trinitarian "Jesus is God Himself" of "Jesus is God the Son" .....

Pure and simple and clear as day... these people never actually read scripture for edification at all and there is absolutely no truth in them...

LOL we need a special section on the forum for modern day heretics and blasphemers. Make sure they can access their fake bible.

 

[True Faith]

LOL we need a special section on the forum for modern day heretics and blasphemers. Make sure they can access their fake bible.

you mean for "Polytheistic" people like you for example???

 

[Peterlag]

That's my point. In John 8, Jesus claimed to be God. Paul did not.
Thus whoever tried to make the dumb argument was exposes for poor prooftexting.

What's the verse in John 8 that says Jesus claimed to be God. No sense in me reading the chapter because I already know it's not there.