What benefit does it produce to make Jesus God

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Mr E

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I have.
I've witnessed sister's and brothers here post repeatedly scripture that proves Jesus was fully God and fully sinless man.
And I've witnessed the same collective of scoffers, deniers, mockers, blasphemers, deny those scriptures exist.

Noooo, it isn't a matter of disagreeing. That's the ruse, ''we're just disagreeing'', such people invoke behind their agenda to mock,ridicule,blaspheme, the gospel, Jesus/God.

When the scriptures prove a point about Jesus divine mission, and mockers insist repeatedly that passage isn't saying Jesus was divine, God, without a sin nature, that's not disagreeing. That's implacability.
That's trolling.


And that's a complete cop out. You disagree with Christians that hold an opinion that differs from your own. And then you become the accuser.

I'm not a JW, not a satanist, not any of the things you throw about-- I'm a Christian. A "Christ" follower. A Christ-bearer. That same spirit that was living in Jesus is living in me. I don't mock Jesus- I praise him for overcoming the world and he gives me the hope of a new and better kingdom that is not of this world. He spoke at length about it.

Continue in this vein of condemnation and I'll report your threads for the rubbish they've become. If you are willing to have honest conversations about real points of disagreement, then have them. Otherwise-- take a pill and chill.
 

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And that's a complete cop out. You disagree with Christians that hold an opinion that differs from your own. And then you become the accuser.

I'm not a JW, not a satanist, not any of the things you throw about-- I'm a Christian. A "Christ" follower. A Christ-bearer. That same spirit that was living in Jesus is living in me. I don't mock Jesus- I praise him for overcoming the world and he gives me the hope of a new and better kingdom that is not of this world. He spoke at length about it.

Continue in this vein of condemnation and I'll report your threads for the rubbish they've become. If you are willing to have honest conversations about real points of disagreement, then have them. Otherwise-- take a pill and chill.
Do you worship Jesus? People clearly did as recorded in the scriptures.
 

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And that's a complete cop out. You disagree with Christians that hold an opinion that differs from your own. And then you become the accuser.

I'm not a JW, not a satanist, not any of the things you throw about-- I'm a Christian. A "Christ" follower. A Christ-bearer. That same spirit that was living in Jesus is living in me. I don't mock Jesus- I praise him for overcoming the world and he gives me the hope of a new and better kingdom that is not of this world. He spoke at length about it.

Continue in this vein of condemnation and I'll report your threads for the rubbish they've become. If you are willing to have honest conversations about real points of disagreement, then have them. Otherwise-- take a pill and chill.

You're wrong. My statement very clearly informs readers I'm not taking issue with fellow Christians.
 

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Do you worship Jesus? People clearly did as recorded in the scriptures.

Some people recognize the power and spirit of God in him and do as he instructed us to do.

‘YOU SHALL WORSHIP THE LORD YOUR GOD AND SERVE HIM ONLY.’”
 

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It's a nuanced point of view. There are times when Jesus is speaking on behalf of the Father through the spirit of God within him. There are many times that he is speaking about the Father. And there are times when he is speaking directly to the Father. Not once. Not ever, did he ever refer to himself as the Father. He made it crystal clear that he was not the Father. (not God) Rather he carefully drew distinct lines between himself and OUR Father-- making himself known as being one from among us-- a brother to us, not a God. He reserved his worship, praise, adoration and most of all his obedience for the Father alone. He came to serve mankind, not to be served. Not my will, but Thine- he prayed.

Emmanuel doesn't mean the Son of God with us. But simply God with us.
 

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Emmanuel doesn't mean the Son of God with us. But simply God with us.

It's not simply that--- and we don't have to guess because scripture defines it and provides the proper context. In speaking about this term Immanuel it is wholly with respect to the child and the son--

“BEHOLD, THE VIRGIN SHALL BE WITH CHILD AND SHALL BEAR A SON, AND THEY SHALL CALL HIS NAME IMMANUEL,” which translated means, “GOD WITH US.”

So you can see that it's of the son that we can say -God with us- Or more properly- the Divine with us because the son of God, like the Father is spirit (of Divine nature) not physical.

The Spirit of the LORD will rest on Him,
The spirit of wisdom and understanding,
The spirit of counsel and strength,
The spirit of knowledge and the fear of the LORD.
 

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"What benefit does it produce to make Jesus God"
Because it's the Truth. Even the JW bible agrees that Jesus is God!
John 28 Thomas said to Jesus, "My Lord and my God".
 

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It's not simply that--- and we don't have to guess because scripture defines it and provides the proper context. In speaking about this term Immanuel it is wholly with respect to the child and the son--

“BEHOLD, THE VIRGIN SHALL BE WITH CHILD AND SHALL BEAR A SON, AND THEY SHALL CALL HIS NAME IMMANUEL,” which translated means, “GOD WITH US.”

So you can see that it's of the son that we can say -God with us- Or more properly- the Divine with us because the son of God, like the Father is spirit (of Divine nature) not physical.

The Spirit of the LORD will rest on Him,
The spirit of wisdom and understanding,
The spirit of counsel and strength,
The spirit of knowledge and the fear of the LORD.
It is that simple, no need to explain away the God with us, the Pharisee's did it also.
 

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It is that simple, no need to explain away the God with us, the Pharisee's did it also.

I'll let God be God and Jesus be Jesus.

No need to confuse things and insist that we must have God being Jesus and Jesus being God.
 

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I'll let God be God and Jesus be Jesus.

No need to confuse things with God being Jesus and Jesus being God.
You can't do that either, Jesus is in the Father and the Father is in Jesus they are One not separate.
 
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Ah, now I understand. You're JW and deny the deity of Jesus despite the scriptures that prove he was God. It's as I said early on when posting those scriptures. You won't accept them.

You don't believe in Jesus Christ so you have nothing to say about our faith.

My question (that you can't answer) is not about the Scripture that says Jesus is God. The question is about why is Jesus God.
 

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I'll let God be God and Jesus be Jesus.

No need to confuse things and insist that we have God being Jesus and Jesus being God.
It's quite simple. Don't twist the Christian Bible.
John 14:9 He who has seen Me has seen the Father;

I think the WatchTower has invaded Christianity.
 

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You can't do that either, Jesus is in the Father and the Father is in Jesus they are One not separate.

Wait-- what?

Are YOU God? If you have that same spirit within you-- If you are in Him and He is in you do you think that makes YOU GOD?

Jesus said--

Holy Father, keep them in Your name, the name which You have given Me, that they may be one even as We are.

“I do not ask on behalf of these alone, but for those also who believe in Me through their word; that they may all be one; even as You, Father, are in Me and I in You, that they also may be in Us, so that the world may believe that You sent Me.
 

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John 6:29-42
[29]Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.
[30]They said therefore unto him, What sign shewest thou then, that we may see, and believe thee? what dost thou work?
[31]Our fathers did eat manna in the desert; as it is written, He gave them bread from heaven to eat.

[32]Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Moses gave you not that bread from heaven; but my Father giveth you the true bread from heaven.
[33]For the bread of God is he which cometh down from heaven, and giveth life unto the world.
[34]Then said they unto him, Lord, evermore give us this bread.
[35]And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.
[36]But I said unto you, That ye also have seen me, and believe not.
[37]All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.
[38]For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.
[39]And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.

[40]And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.
[41]The Jews then murmured at him, because he said, I am the bread which came down from heaven.
[42]And they said, Is not this Jesus, the son of Joseph, whose father and mother we know? how is it then that he saith, I came down from heaven?

The Jews knew exactly what Jesus was saying. He came down from heaven, sent from God. There is no other person who can say they came down from heaven. Jesus was pre-existent.

John 8:56-58
[56]Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.
[57]Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham?
[58]Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

His body of flesh came into being around 2,000 years ago. But that body was not born fallen, being His Father is God.

John the Baptist, who was 6 months older than Jesus (in the flesh) stated that Jesus was "before him."

John 1:15
[15]John bare witness of him, and cried, saying, This was he of whom I spake, He that cometh after me is preferred before me: for he was before me.


He is the Word (who
is God) that was made flesh. (Jn chapter 1) He was tempted in every way that we have been tempted, yet He never sinned. (He. 4:15) Therefore, He came in the form of sinful flesh and triumphed over sin.

He had to come in a flesh body. The wages of sin is death, and He took that penalty and paid it in full with His own blood ....the spotless Lamb.

Romans 8:3
[3]For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:


1 John 2:1-2
[1]My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
[2]And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

1 John 4:9-10
[9]In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him.
[10]Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins.

Want to know WHO the Word is?

John 1:1-5,9-11,14-15,18
[1]In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
[2]The same was in the beginning with God.
[3]All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
[4]In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
[5]And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
[9]That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.
[10]He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.
[11]He came unto his own, and his own received him not.
[14]And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
[15]John bare witness of him, and cried, saying, This was he of whom I spake, He that cometh after me is preferred before me: for he was before me.
[18]No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

Hebrews 4:12-15
[12]For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
[13]Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do.
[14]Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession.
[15]For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.

Hebrews 10:10-13
[10]By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
[11]And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins:
[12]But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;
[13]From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool.

He - the Word - is a person, Jesus Christ. He is God. He is the Son on God. He is the Creator. He is the True Light. He is righteous. He is the spotless lamb. He is our great high priest Who offered Himself upon the altar ...once and for all.

If Jesus was God. Nobody would have killed him. That I can tell you for sure. However, my question is what profit is there to have a god-man on the planet. Can you answer?
 

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Wait-- what?

Are YOU God? If you have that same spirit within you-- If you are in Him and He is in you do you think that makes YOU GOD?

Jesus said--

Holy Father, keep them in Your name, the name which You have given Me, that they may be one even as We are.

“I do not ask on behalf of these alone, but for those also who believe in Me through their word; that they may all be one; even as You, Father, are in Me and I in You, that they also may be in Us, so that the world may believe that You sent Me.
Another JW?
 

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If Jesus was God. Nobody would have killed him. That I can tell you for sure. However, my question is what profit is there to have a god-man on the planet. Can you answer?
That's why He became flesh. So He could die for our sins. God was manifest in the flesh.
Kingdom Hall is on the RAMPAGE!
Revelation 12 the devil has come down to you, having great wrath, because he knows that he has a short time.
 

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“I come that they might have life and have it more abundantly.” See…I disagree because that they might have life and have it more abundantly… (Imo)Is not that they might have more abundant cars, money, perfect health, more lust, more greed and more pride of life…I come that might have Life in the Spirit of God peace, love joy, comfort, be fruitful and multiply. To say it was talking about Jesus Christ by you own estimate who was the Son of God but not God. A Son of Life but not Life…in Him is Life? To say it was talking about Him and not God…to me that is saying abundant Life, to have Life more abundantly is in Jesus Christ the Son of God, and is not talking about more abundantly or abundant Life in God. Since abundant Life doesn’t refer to God, but instead the Son of God. But they are One. …many members but One Body? Each member having a part and the joints that supply with the same care one for another to the “whole”. The Same Spirit, as the Life is in blood …that One Spirit supplies Life to the whole Body. Christ prayed “let them be One as We are One.” Why hack it to death? When He prayed “that they might be One, Father. As we are One.”

I do get some of your points…but maybe I’m missing what you are saying. What is the point?[/QUOTE

For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself;

What am I missing?
 

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Wait-- what?

Are YOU God? If you have that same spirit within you-- If you are in Him and He is in you do you think that makes YOU GOD?

Jesus said--

Holy Father, keep them in Your name, the name which You have given Me, that they may be one even as We are.

“I do not ask on behalf of these alone, but for those also who believe in Me through their word; that they may all be one; even as You, Father, are in Me and I in You, that they also may be in Us, so that the world may believe that You sent Me.

What does my soul have to do with being in a Spirit, a soul in a Spirit.

I've never heard if someone saying Holy Soul
 
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