What benefit does it produce to make Jesus God

[RLT63]

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[RLT63]

Isaiah 9
6 For unto us a Child is born, Unto us a Son is given; And the government will be upon His shoulder. And His name will be called Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

Amen! That's Jesus, MIGHTY GOD! Now watch JW's try to rewrite it to mean something totally different like Satan loves to do.

I still haven't seen anyone respond to that scripture

 

[Mr E]

I still haven't seen anyone respond to that scripture

It’s predictable and trite.

Mary and Joseph were told to name him Immanuel.

They named him Jesus, or Yeshua if you will— or anglicized to Joshua, all of which mean Yahweh saves. That’s what he was called.

Not Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

Those things he was not called. Unless you have a reference that I’ve missed? Do you have any instances where anyone called Jesus any of those instead of calling him Jesus?

No? Then the prophecy wasn’t talking about the man. The testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy and he proclaimed the Father, he didn’t self promote. His divinity is of God. From God. That makes him divine as a son is divine but not equal to the Father. Son of God, not God. He descended. A descendant.

There was a spiritual son that was sent.

 

[RLT63]

It’s predictable and trite.

Mary and Joseph were told to name him Immanuel.

They named him Jesus, or Yeshua if you will— or anglicized to Joshua, all of which mean Yahweh saves. That’s what he was called.

Not Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

Those things he was not called. Unless you have a reference that I’ve missed? Do you have any instances where anyone called Jesus any of those instead of calling him Jesus?

No? Then the prophecy wasn’t talking about the man. The testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy and he proclaimed the Father, he didn’t self promote. His divinity is of God. From God. That makes him divine as a son is divine but not equal to the Father. Son of God, not God. He descended. A descendant.

There was a spiritual son that was sent.

Oh I see. Prophecy is wrong. That's an interesting take

 

[Mr E]

Oh I see. Prophecy is wrong. That's an interesting take

It hasn't been fulfilled yet (on earth as it is in heaven), has it? Has his government been established? Has peace been ever increasing?

There will be no end to the increase of His government or of peace.

So the prophecy wasn't about the man- Jesus. Not about an earthly kingdom, but a spiritual one.

 

[TLHKAJ]

If Jesus was God. Nobody would have killed him. That I can tell you for sure. However, my question is what profit is there to have a god-man on the planet. Can you answer?

I have answered you. I don't think you desire the truth at all.

 

[Peterlag]

Our Savior was sent into the world. He already had that title, he didn't have to earn it.
"...Put your hope in God, for I will praise him, my Savior and my God." Psalm 42:11
"For I, Yahweh, your God, the Holy One of Israel and your Savior ..." Isaiah 43:3
"I am Yahweh and there is NO OTHER SAVIOR." Isaiah 43:11
" ... you will know that I, Yahweh, am your Savior and Redeemer ..." Isaiah 60:16
" ... no Savior exists besides Me". Hosea 14:4

Are we to believe that there is more than one Savior? Jesus said I am He to the Jews who did not recognize Him.
"Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were not willing. Matt. 23:37

He was their God and Savior as He is ours!

Well, You're right God was the only savior in all the Old Testament verses you quote because Jesus was not yet born.

 

[Peterlag]

Ok I surrender. You win. But for me …what is produced from Christ being God is,
I guess, I prefer to think that when in the OT God said “I will do it”…that He did it. Likely I won’t change your mind, and you won’t change mine.

Gotta wonder while disputing what is produced by Christ being God…I’m left asking: what is produced by this thread.

It's an honest question. I really want to know what the benefit is to have Jesus be God. So far nobody can answer the question.

 

[Peterlag]

He is man too. 100% man and 100% God. He had to be God too because only God is perfect; there is no mere man--who is not also God--who is perfect. No one else could have provided the perfect sacrifice required of God to make propitiation for our sins (the sacrifices described in Leviticus, those animals "without blemish" pointed to the ultimate sacrifice that Jesus would embody). Since all men are born into sin, being born just a man would automatically disqualify Jesus from being the ultimate atonement for our sins.

If Jesus is not also God, we are still dead in our sins. If one does not trust in a perfect God who has provided atonement for one's sins then one will stand before God without the covering of this righteousness. A man's work--just a human exactly like us--will not be able to provide you the righteousness which God requires in order to stand before him in perfect holiness.

He had to be man too because just as Adam was the representative for those who sinned, there had to be another representative--a second Adam--who can represent us. As God promised in Genesis 3--someone from Adam's line (the seed) would crush the head of the serpent. So that individual had to be, as God had spoken, born from Adam.

Can you give me 2 verses that say it had to be a god-man because I gave you 2 verses that say it was a man that had to do it.

 

[Peterlag]

Isaiah 43:11
I, yes I, am the LORD, and there is no Savior but Me.

Very true there was no other savior at the time of Isaiah because Jesus had not yet been born.

 

[Peterlag]

Hi @dhh712 ; the Deity of Christ in Scripture is overwhelming. (The phasing of the thread's title is bizarre.)

I looked at the verse called John 3:16 that you mentioned and that did not answer the question either that you say is a bizarre question. So bizarre that nobody can answer it.

 

[Peterlag]

I’ve explained this is not a threads. Like global warming alarmists, Who endlessly go on about ‘the science,’ STILL can’t admit it’s about politics when you can concede. Suppose everything about ‘the science’ is true, then what?

trinitarians demand that scripture only be interpreted by imposing its doctrine onto unitarian text is the same way. When somebody like you comes along and asks the next question, what is the benefit of believing God is three in one, they have no answer.

They are mocking me, making fun of the question, saying they don't have to find a verse because we should just know it, and they have even said they have answered the question. Everything but answering the question.

 

[Peterlag]

but doesn’t that make Him extraordinary? And not just a man like any common man?

Yeah it makes him extraordinary the son of God.

 

[Peterlag]

why separate them?

it is like the Word of God…I’m not talking about a bible collecting dust on a shelf…or a fictional tale. We could argue the Word has been turned into a God. (Yet) is not God…but how does the Word become a garment …without seam…everlasting..that one takes off the old man and puts on “the New Man” …how is that not God, who else can give a change of garment (removing the old), or clothe another with a (New) Garment?

Again, can you give me 2 verses that give a reason why Jesus should be God? To what profit is there for that?

 

[Peterlag]

Ah, now I understand. You're JW and deny the deity of Jesus despite the scriptures that prove he was God. It's as I said early on when posting those scriptures. You won't accept them.

You don't believe in Jesus Christ so you have nothing to say about our faith.

There's nothing to not accept because you have so far not given me a verse that says why Jesus should be God. To what profit would that result in?

 

[Peterlag]

That's why He became flesh. So He could die for our sins. God was manifest in the flesh.
Kingdom Hall is on the RAMPAGE!
Revelation 12 the devil has come down to you, having great wrath, because he knows that he has a short time.

Again, the Bible does not say a god-man died for our sins. It says a man did it.

 

[Peterlag]

I have answered you. I don't think you desire the truth at all.

I am not that stupid to have not noticed if you answered the question I asked. Therefore I must assume that you either can't or will not answer the simple question as to what profit is there to have Jesus be God. And an answer is not because God had to die for our sins because the Bible said a man did that. Plus God cannot die.

 

[TLHKAJ]

I am not that stupid to have not noticed if you answered the question I asked. Therefore I must assume that you either can't or will not answer the simple question as to what profit is there to have Jesus be God. And an answer is not because God had to die for our sins because the Bible said a man did that. Plus God cannot die.

If you didn't see it, nor perceive it ...well .....

 

[TLHKAJ]

Well, You're right God was the only savior in all the Old Testament verses you quote because Jesus was not yet born.

Luke 1:46-47
[46]And Mary said, My soul doth magnify the Lord,
[47]And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour.

 

[Brakelite]

Again, can you give me 2 verses that give a reason why Jesus should be God? To what profit is there for that?

I will offer just one.
KJV John 3:16
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.