"The word was a god"?

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THE FOLLOWING TRUTHS PROVE THE DIVINE NATURE OF JESUS CHRIST:
NAME OF GOD
ACTS OF DIVINITY
TITLES OF DIVINITY
UNIQUE MINISTRY
RELATIONSHIP IN THE TRINITY
ESSENTIAL AND MORAL ATTRIBUTES
AMPLIFICATION
N - NAME OF GOD
1. HE IS CALLED GOD
Is.9:6
6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall
be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The
mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
John 1:1

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word
was God.
John 20:28
28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.
Titus 2:13
13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God
and our Saviour Jesus Christ;
Heb.1:8
8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever…
John 5:20
20 For the Father loveth the Son, and sheweth him all things that himself
doeth: and he will shew him greater works than these, that ye may marvel.
Rom.9:5
5 Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came,
who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.
According to Jeremiah 10:10-11, the true God is the God who made heaven
and earth. We notice in John 1:3 and Col.1:16, that Jesus made all things.
2. HE IS CALLED THE SON OF GOD
Matt.2:15
15 And was there until the death of Herod: that it might be fulfilled which was
spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, Out of Egypt have I called my son.
Mark 1:1
The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God;
John 1:34
34 And I saw, and bare record that this is the Son of God.
A - ACTS OF DIVINITY
x SANCTIFICATION
1 Cor 1:2
2 Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in
Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name
of Jesus Christ our Lord, both theirs and ours:
1 Cor 6:11
11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but
ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.
Heb 10:10
10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of
Jesus Christ once for all.
x INDWELLING
Eph 3:17
17 That Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith; that ye, being rooted and
grounded in love,
John 14:23
23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my
words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our
abode with him.
John 17:23
23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that
the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast
loved me.

Gal 2:20
20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in
me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of
God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.
x RESURRECTION
John 2:19
19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days
I will raise it up.
John 11:25
25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in
me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:
John 10:18
18 No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it
down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of
my Father.
John 11:43-44
43 And when he thus had spoken, he cried with a loud voice, Lazarus, come
forth.
44 And he that was dead came forth, bound hand and foot with graveclothes:
and his face was bound about with a napkin. Jesus saith unto them, Loose
him, and let him go.
x CREATION
Gen 1:1
In the beginning God created the Heaven and the earth.
Heb 1:10
10 And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and
the heavens are the works of thine hands:
Col 1:16
16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth,
visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities,
or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
x REGENERATION
I Jn 5:1
1 Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one
that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.
John 1:12-13
12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of
God, even to them that believe on his name:
13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of
man, but of God.
John 20:31
31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son
of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.
x INSPIRATION
John 20:22
22 And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them,
Receive ye the Holy Ghost:
x GIVER OF LIFE
John 6:33

33 For the bread of God is he which cometh down from heaven, and giveth life
unto the world.
John 6:51
51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this
bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I
will give for the life of the world.
John 10:10
10 The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come
that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.
T - TITLES OF DIVINITY
1. ALPHA AND OMEGA
Rev.22:13
13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.
2. BEGINNING AND END
Rev.22:13
13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.
3. FIRST AND LAST
Rev.1:17
17 And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand
upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last:
4. ALMIGHTY
Rev.1:8
8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which
is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
5. I AM
John 8:58
58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I
am.
6. MIGHTY GOD
Is.9:6
6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall
be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The
mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
7. WORD OF GOD
Rev.19:13
13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called
The Word of God.
8. KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS
Rev 19:16
16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF
KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.
U - UNIQUENESS OF JESUS
1. HIS BIRTH WAS UNIQUE - born of a virgin (Matt.1:23).
2. MINISTRY WAS UNIQUE - healing, miracles, demonic deliverances testify of
His unique ministry.
3. DEATH WAS UNIQUE - according to John 19:30, He killed Himself.
4. RESURRECTION WAS UNIQUE - according to John 10:11, He raised
Himself from the dead.

R - RELATIONSHIP IN THE TRINITY
Jesus exercises divine authority in His association with the Father and the
Spirit in baptism (Matt.28:19) and benediction (2Cor.13:14). This relationship
exists on the basis of co-equality.
E - ESSENTIAL AND MORAL ATTRIBUTES
1. ESSENTIAL ATTRIBUTES
x OMNIPRESENT
Matt 18:20
20 For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the
midst of them.
x OMNIPOTENT
Mt.28:18
18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me
in heaven and in earth.
x OMNISCIENT
Col 2:3
3 In whom are hid all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge.
x UNCHANGING
Heb 13:8
8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.
x EVERLASTING
Isa 9:6
6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall
be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The
mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
2. MORAL ATTRIBUTES
x PERFECT HOLINESS
Perfect holiness refers to the sinless perfection of God.
Lev.19:2
2 Speak unto all the congregation of the children of Israel, and say unto them,
Ye shall be holy: for I the Lord your God am holy.
Rev.15:3-4
3 And they sing the song of Moses the servant of God, and the song of the
Lamb, saying, Great and marvellous are thy works, Lord God Almighty; just
and true are thy ways, thou King of saints.
4 Who shall not fear thee, O Lord, and glorify thy name? for thou only art holy:
for all nations shall come and worship before thee; for thy judgments are made
manifest.
JESUS IS HOLY
Luke 1:35
35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come
upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also
that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.
Heb 4:15
15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of
our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.
Heb 7:26-27

26 For such an high priest became us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled,
separate from sinners, and made higher than the heavens;
27 Who needeth not daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifice, first for
his own sins, and then for the people's: for this he did once, when he offered
up himself.
x PERFECT FAITHFULNESS
Perfect faithfulness refers to the perfect reliability and trustworthiness of God.
1Cor.1:9
9 God is faithful, by whom ye were called unto the fellowship of his Son Jesus
Christ our Lord.
Heb.10:23
23 Let us hold fast the profession of our faith without wavering; (for he is
faithful that promised;)
SEE MNEMONIC "PERFECT" UNDER THE FAITHFULNESS OF GOD:
JESUS IS FAITHFUL
Rev 3:14
14 And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things
saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of
God;
Rev 19:11
11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon
him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and
make war.
Don't you know the WatchTower overrules the Christian Bible? Just ask any JW.
 
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John 21
16 He said to him again a second time, "Simon, son of Jonah, do you love Me?" He said to Him, "Yes, Lord; You know that I love You." He said to him, "Tend My sheep." 17 He said to him the third time, "Simon, son of Jonah, do you love Me?" Peter was grieved because He said to him the third time, "Do you love Me?" And he said to Him, "Lord, You know all things; You know that I love You." Jesus said to him, "Feed My sheep.

Amen Peter! Only God knows all things. Jesus is indeed God.
 

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You did by this post.

I doubt you are aware of how this statement destroys the trinity. If Jesus is the real God of the Bible, it necessarily means that the trinitarian god is not the real God of the Bible. And it also means the Father is not the real God of the Bible since Jesus is not the Father.

I don't say things in any contex that say anything other than the Father is the only true and real God of the Bible. (See Jesus at John 17:3)
No I did not! Father, Son and Holy Spirit make up the ONE true God of the Bible.
Matthew 28:19 (NKJV)
19 Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the NAME (SINGULAR) of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,
 

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You did by this post.



I doubt you are aware of how this statement destroys the trinity. If Jesus is the real God of the Bible, it necessarily means that the trinitarian god is not the real God of the Bible. And it also means the Father is not the real God of the Bible since Jesus is not the Father.

I don't say things in any contex that say anything other than the Father is the only true and real God of the Bible. (See Jesus at John 17:3)
I'm totally aware how JW's TWIST nearly all of our Bible and what others say!
 
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Let's look at the Hebrew word God uses to describe his oneness in the Old testament. When God says "Hear Oh Isreal the Lord thy God is One" that word can also be translated as unity, the same word that the bible uses to describe the nature of the marital union, where the two become one, a unity. I do not mean to imply by this that at some point in the past three beings became one in the Hebrew God, but that rather it is possible in the Hebrew way of thinking for two or three beings to exist in a unity strong enough to be referenced as one. Look it up.

Welcome to the forums.

What do, or would, you call “three beings became one in the Hebrew God, a unity”?
 
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No I did not!

Sure, you did. You can't have it both ways.

No I did not! Father, Son and Holy Spirit make up the ONE true God of the Bible.
Matthew 28:19 (NKJV)
19 Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the NAME (SINGULAR) of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,

Them is singular? LOL
 

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I'm totally aware how JW's TWIST nearly all of our Bible and what others say!
Irrelevant to the fact that Jesus said the Father is the only true God. (See Jesus at John 17:3) Why is this not important to you?

By relying only on Scripture and plain reason, I am untwisting trinitarian dogma. Can you at least admit that there is no verse that contains the trinity doctrine? To avoid the inevitable Appeal to Strawman, there simply is no verse that reads something like The nature of God is a trinity - consisting of the Father, Son & Holy Spirit who are co-equal, co-substantial and co-eternal - and if you do not believe this, you cannot be saved but are damned to hell forever. If there were such a verse, it would be the most quoted verse in Scripture by those who claim one’s salvation depends on believing it. The concept of the trinity is so important that in 66 books, it is not mentioned once!

Rather than abandon this obvious 1st-Commandment-violating idol, trinitarians resort to ignoring or subordinating explicit teachings in Scripture to inferences (reading their doctrine into the non-trinitarian text), dualism and mystical artificial synthesis. By this technique, any doctrine can be so supported.
 

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Irrelevant to the fact that Jesus said the Father is the only true God. (See Jesus at John 17:3) Why is this not important to you?
Please pay attention for a change.
John 14
9 Jesus said to him, "Have I been with you so long, and yet you have not known Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; so how can you say, 'Show us the Father'?
 

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Wrangler. Nope, you're wrong. When God speaks to himself in Genesis WRYM (I don't know how your book translates it) it is always referred to in the plural, e.g., let us create man in our image. Again, a complete reading of the hebrew doesn't force mysticism or anything like it into a notion of God which is both singular and a multiplicity of persons. Eat it.
 
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Irrelevant to the fact that Jesus said the Father is the only true God. (See Jesus at John 17:3) Why is this not important to you?

By relying only on Scripture and plain reason, I am untwisting trinitarian dogma. Can you at least admit that there is no verse that contains the trinity doctrine? To avoid the inevitable Appeal to Strawman, there simply is no verse that reads something like The nature of God is a trinity - consisting of the Father, Son & Holy Spirit who are co-equal, co-substantial and co-eternal - and if you do not believe this, you cannot be saved but are damned to hell forever. If there were such a verse, it would be the most quoted verse in Scripture by those who claim one’s salvation depends on believing it. The concept of the trinity is so important that in 66 books, it is not mentioned once!

Rather than abandon this obvious 1st-Commandment-violating idol, trinitarians resort to ignoring or subordinating explicit teachings in Scripture to inferences (reading their doctrine into the non-trinitarian text), dualism and mystical artificial synthesis. By this technique, any doctrine can be so supported.
If you use that one scripture enough maybe someone will be persuaded. Just keep saying it over and over
Oh you're already doing that.
 

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They saw nothing wrong with calling certain men “gods” if they were trying to follow God and be his representatives or ambassadors. Just because it sounds strange to our ears today in modern English is no reason to ignore the facts!


Get back on the highway of holiness

Joh 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my word: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

Joh 14:3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I come again, and will receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.

Joh 17:21 that they may all be one; even as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be in us: that the world may believe that thou didst send me.


1Jn 1:3 that which we have seen and heard declare we unto you also, that ye also may have fellowship with us: yea, and our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ:
1Jn 1:4 and these things we write, that our joy may be fulfilled.

# Problamatic if it is yachid and not echad, or echad and not yachid.


With the Father and with His Son (μετὰ τοῦ πατρὸς καὶ μετὰ τοῦ υἱοῦ αὐτοῦ)
Note the repeated preposition μετά with; distinguishing the two persons, and coordinating the fellowship with the Father, and the fellowship with the Son, thus implying the sameness of essence.
Vincent


Are you teachable?
 
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Who is that child called the Father Almighty God hmm

Isaiah 9
6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given; and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
 

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If you use that one scripture enough

And why is that one Scripture not good enough? It's hard to imagine a stronger anti-trinitarian statement.

Except perhaps for 1 COR 8:6, 'For us, there is one God, the Father.' Also, I've posted dozens of Scripture. Here is another one. The most anti-trinitarian book in the whole Bible, John also explicitly tells us at 20:31 that everything he wrote was to prove something other than the idea that Jesus is God; namely, that Jesus is God’s Anointed. So, it is funny to see trinitarians try to twist 1:1 – and indeed, his entire Gospel - to have a purpose other than what John explicitly stated is the purpose of his Gospel!

Let me guess. Like mocking John 17:3 and 20:17, you will mock or disregard John 20:31 because you cannot handle a better interpretation of John 1:1 than the one trinitarians demand. Who does Saint John think he is, saying his Gospel is not to prove Jesus is God incarnate. Didn't he read his first verse? Oh, Jesus is not even referenced.

Pretending there is only one verse that goes againt your dogma but a mountain supports it is closer to the opposite of what is true. For instance, the Sh'ma says God is one. It does not say God is 3-in-1.