Thanks. How do you think the trinitarians and binitarians will react to that?
What benefit does it produce to make Jesus God
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Thanks. How do you think the trinitarians and binitarians will react to that?
I have long ago grown up in the Scriptures. How can I go back to high school and pretend that I have not put the entire Bible together so as to be able to understand it?
Yes, directly or indirectly Christ is involved in all of Scripture.
When He said, "I am the way, the TRUTH, and the life, no man comes to the Father but by me" He is saying "I am the Truth of the Scripture, the only way."
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I'm not really concerned about how "trinitarians" will respond to this scripture. I would be labeled a trinitarian as well since I believe in Father, Son, and Holy Spirit as comprising one God. I'm not interested in labels ....I'm interested in reading, hearing, and believing what the Word of God says. If men struggle with the Word, they need to seek Him for understanding and stop leaning to their own understanding, and clinging to this label or that label.
I believe there is at least one here who is not interested in the truth in the least. I believe this (one) is nothing more than a mocker and a troll. God help his soul for his disregard of the truth. He is going on ignore.
Michiah-Imla
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Not at all.
It just reinforces the Spirit and keeps the flesh dead.
And to think that one can stop reading because he thinks he knows it all is prideful. You may have some recollection of general things in the scripture, but perhaps some details here and there have escaped you unawares.
The Spirit needs the word of God for nourishment.
Feed it.
Get back to reading and hearing.
John 1 MOUNCE,ESV - In the beginning was the Word, and the - Bible Gateway
John 1
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God.
Michiah-Imla
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You do not graduate from hearing the word of God.
No more than you graduate from eating food.
Please take a look at the rendering of the passage in the Tyndale translation. I’d like to hear your thoughts on it.
He is the Eternal Logos, God Himself who loved us and gave Himself for us by lowering Himself a little lower that the angels in the form of man to redeem us from our sin.
He was with the Father in all His Glory before the foundation of the world. Peter, James and John witnessed a glimpse of that Glory at the Mt. of Transfiguration. He is indeed what Isaiah said He is, The Almighty God.
This is what no one can explain, three distinct persons are one God. It is not just in essence that they are one God.
The Father, Christ, and the Holy Spirit are one Almighty God in three distinct persons.
Truth!
Honestly, it is clear this person (peterlag) is not interested in the truth. He is here to antagonize.
I went to the grocery store one time and there was a grocery cart filled with discounted items for sale. One of the items was a can that didn’t have a label on it. They only wanted 10 cents for it. It was a large can so I decided to buy it. When I got home and opened it, I discovered that I had made a poor purchasing decision. The item couldn’t be returned. I was stuck with it.
Michiah-Imla
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A mystery substance.
Rotted.
My wife castigated for not knowing what I was buying. All it was good for was to be thrown away.
It wasn’t worth a dime. Lesson learned.
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Aunty Jane
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In the bigger picture I believe we have to ask how God has operated with regard to his human servants in the past....he has always had a collective who have been taught one truth and he has always appointed teachers for his people in order for them to attain a unity that no one else has because he is the epitome of unity. His son was in union with his Father, and his disciples were in union with their teacher. No one could bring in their own beliefs or ‘take’ on scripture. ‘The truth would set people free’.....but very few realise that they are in bondage.
So when Jesus gave us the parable of the “wheat and the weeds” we have the illustration of two completely different plants who in their early growing stages were almost identical. One health giving, the other poisonous. Once they had both sprouted and grown a little, the difference was beginning to be discernible....but too late to pull out the weeds because their root systems were now entwined so that in taking out the weeds, you risked losing the wheat as well, so they were allowed to “grow together” until the “harvest” when the “reapers would collect all the weeds and throw them into the fire to be destroyed. The wheat was then gathered into God’s storehouse. So we were to expect a counterfeit form of Christianity to take hold in the world.....how big a hold? It would engulf the majority, since Jesus said that “few” would be found on the road to life. (Matthew 7:13-14)
Added to that was the fact that as part of his prophesy on the “last days” before his return as judge, Jesus promised to appoint a “faithful and wise servant” who was to “feed” his entire household “their food at the proper time”. Only those feeding at this table (metaphorically) would be eating a spiritually nourishing meal. Those not getting their “food” from this source were being fed poison.
The servant exists and we have to find him.....(Matthew 24:45) He is the only one dispensing the good food....those feeding at other tables or who believe that in buffet style where you can choose your own beliefs, are fooling themselves.
God is the one who invites us....(John 6:44, 65) No one get to the Son without an invitation from his Father.
Aunty Jane
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That is because the Bible itself places Jesus as "the Logos" at the "beginning" "with God". But don't we have to ask...."the beginning" of what?
The Eternal Creator had no beginning, but Jesus apparently did. In his pre-human existence he was always the "Logos"...God's spokesman.
We see him in his visit to Abraham where three angels appeared to God's aging servant, to bring an important message concerning the child that he and his wife would have in their old age. One of the angels spoke as "Jehovah"......the other two went on to rescue Lot and his family before God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah.
When Moses was called to action in liberating God's people from Egyptian slavery, an angel appeared in a burning bush, and spoke to Moses as "Jehovah". Again I believe this was the pre-human Jesus who then went on to have an important role in guiding the Israelites through the wilderness.
The Logos has always represented Jehovah to his human servants, both before and after his time on earth.
Not once is Jesus called the Creator. He was the agency "through whom" creation came about. Do you understand agency?
Colossians 1:15-17...
"He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation: 16 for by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones, or dominions, or rulers, or authorities—all things have been created through Him and for Him. 17 He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together." (NASB)
Revelation 3:14...Jesus said of himself....."These things says the Amen, the Faithful and True Witness, the Beginning of the creation of God". (NKJV)
Not true, he is not just an angel but "the son of God" which is what he called himself.....he is "firstborn" and he has many "brothers". We believe that he is the Archangel Michael because only he and Jesus are spoken of as commanding the heavenly forces.
The "sons of God" are not the same as God's "firstborn" because he is truly unique. He is the first and only direct creation of his God and Father.
All other things, including the legions of angels were all brought into existence by the son, using the same power that he used when he was on earth....provided by his Father at his baptism.
He has no power of his own.....it all came from his God, of whom he is a "servant". (Acts 4:27) God cannot be his own servant.
John 5:19, 30...
"Then Jesus answered and said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, the Son can do nothing of Himself, but what He sees the Father do; for whatever He does, the Son also does in like manner.. . . . .I can of Myself do nothing. As I hear, I judge; and My judgment is righteous, because I do not seek My own will but the will of the Father who sent Me."..... The son could not do a single thing of his own initiative.
Yes his SON.....but being God's son does not make him God....this is where you fall into a huge hole. Nowhere does God's word say that Jesus is Almighty God, equal to his God and Father, or a third person in a trinity...the Bible has no trinity...it never did. When the Bible was written, the trinity was a pagan concept that came to be woven into the counterfeit form of the Christian faith that Jesus warned us about....what is amazing to me is that no one acknowledges that this actually took place.....it is plainly evident in the confused and divided blood-stained mess that is Christendom....does no one see it?
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