Assurance of salvation

[Sabitarian]

Matt 5:17-18
17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
KJV
Please GOD tell me that there is some one here who understands this verse?
humble servant of the Lord God Most High

 

[Episkopos]

Matt 5:17-18
17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
KJV
Please GOD tell me that there is some one here who understands this verse?
humble servant of the Lord God Most High

Rom 8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
Rom 8:4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

 

[logabe]

In the context of other Scripture like Rev.20, Rev.22:14-15, Matt.8:12, 22:13, 25:30, Zech.14, and Ezek.44, yes.

But that is for the time of Christ's "thousand years" reign what you speak of.


20 But the wicked shall perish, and the enemies of the LORD shall be as the fat of lambs: they shall consume; into smoke shall they consume away.
(KJV)Ps 37:20


The Rev.20 "lake of fire" event is about perdition in the absolute sense. Like Apostle Paul, I myself have a hope in BOTH a resurrection of the Just, AND a resurrection of the unjust (Acts.24:15). If we are found worthy of the resurrection of life through Christ when He returns, we will rule over those of the resurrection of unjust. That's who the nations of Zech.14 and Rev.20:7-9 will be during Christ's "thousand years" reign.

However, per that Rev.20:7-9 Scripture, when Satan is loosed one final time at the end of that "thousand years" reign, many of the unjust are still... going to follow the devil in coming up against the "camp of the saints" and "beloved city". With Christ Jesus and His elect reigning over all nations in that time, and all peoples KNOWING He is God The Saviour, being fully revealed to all, and His elect teaching all peoples God's Ways during that thousand years, none will have an excuse at the end of that period to still follow after the devil.

Here's the reason why those that still choose to follow the devil at the end of the thousand years must... perish with him in the "lake of fire"...

Isa 65:17-19
17 For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.
18 But be ye glad and rejoice for ever in that which I create: for, behold, I create Jerusalem a rejoicing, and her people a joy.
19 And I will rejoice in Jerusalem, and joy in My people: and the voice of weeping shall be no more heard in her, nor the voice of crying.
(KJV)

After the "lake of fire" event, God is going to 'create' His saints in Jerusalem "a joy". In other words, He is going to re-fashion us to not remember the old world and the idea of rebellion against Him. The wicked who perish with the devil, the abode of hell, and death, will not be a part of that being made a joy.


Nahum 1:7-10
7 The LORD is good, a strong hold in the day of trouble; and He knoweth them that trust in Him.
8 But with an overrunning flood He will make an utter end of the place thereof, and darkness shall pursue His enemies.
9 What do ye imagine against the LORD? He will make an utter end: affliction shall not rise up the second time.
10 For while they be folden together as thorns, and while they are drunken as drunkards, they shall be devoured as stubble fully dry.
(KJV)

That is HOW there will not be a second rebellion against Him like what the devil caused in the world that then was.




I understand what you mean, and it's my hope also that ALL... would come to The Father through His Son Jesus Christ, just as Peter said in 2 Peter 3:9, that God wants all to come to repentance, not willing that any should perish.

But is that going to happen? No, not according to what our Heavenly Father has already revealed to us in His Word. In my above post I showed some of the why that is.

Veteran, you sure put a lot of scripture on me. Psalms 37:20,

20 But the wicked shall perish, and the enemies
of the Lord shall be as the fat of the lambs: they
shall consume; into smoke shall they consume
away.

Who is God's emenies?

An enemy is one who is fighting God all the time. Israel fought
God at every test in the wilderness under Moses, and even
today they continue to disagree with His Law, calling it an evil
thing.

As for as the other scriptures about being cast into outer dark-
ness, it was comparable to God blinding them and causing them
to rebel for the purpose of bringing mercy through their (Israel)
unbelief. Romans 11:32.

32 For God has concluded them all in unbelief,
that he might have mercy upon all.

On the surface it is hard for us to comprehend the ways of God,
but as we grow in grace and become more like him, we begin to
agree that he has a great plan for Creation. Romans 11:36 says,

36 For of Him, and through Him, and to [into] Him,
are all things; to Whom be glory for ever. Amen.

Paul has begun to understand the ways of God, and so he does
not hesitate to agree fully with the plan of God in locking both
Israel and the world in blindness for a season. Why? Because out
of Him, and through Him, and into Him are all things.

These words indicate that all things ORIGINATE in God; all things
are processed THROUGH Him, and all things are going back
INTO Him. This is just another way of saying that in the end, God
will be all in all (1 Cor. 15:28). He will not be All in just a few, nor in
a tiny remnant, nor will He be limited to all Israel. He will be all IN
ALL.

Paul is consistent in this theme. He told the Colossians that God
had created all things and would also reconcile all things back to
Himself. Colossians 1:16-20 reads,

16 For by Him were all things [ta panta, “the all”]
created, that are in heaven, and that are in
earth, visible and invisible, whether they be
thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or
powers; all things [ta panta, “the all”] were
created by Him and for [into] Him.

This is “the all” of creation, and we read in John 1:3 that “all things
were made by Him, and without Him (or apart from Him) was not
anything made that was made.” Paul divides creation into things in
heaven and in earth and even includes all things visible and invisible,
including all authorities. Then He says in verse 20,

20 And having made peace through the blood
of His cross, by Him to reconcile all things [ta
panta, “the all”] unto Himself; by Him, I say,
whether they be things in earth or things in
heaven.

In other words, “the all” that was inclusive of all creation is also to be
reconciled back to God by the blood of the cross. All creation had
become God's enemy in need of reconciliation. This is what Paul said in
Romans 11, where Israel had become God's enemy through their unbelief,
joining the world of enemies in need of God's reconciliation. This was
accomplished on the cross, and its purpose shall be fulfilled, for this is the
divine plan, and no man can prevent it from happening.

Do you believe it?

Logabe

 

[Sabitarian]

Episkopos,
Are you aware that there are two laws spoken of by Paul in his writtings and the one that you are quoting is the Sacrimental law, which Matthew quoting Christ tells us that He fulfilled in His flesh by His Crucifiction. However the Moral law is the 10 Commandments of which if you break any one of them you are guilty of breaking all. By the way that includes the second and fourth in case you did not know.
Ex 20:4-6
4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:
5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.
KJV
Ex 20:8-11
8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
KJV
humble srevant of the Lord God Most High

 

[Episkopos]

Episkopos,
Are you aware that there are two laws spoken of by Paul in his writtings and the one that you are quoting is the Sacrimental law, which Matthew quoting Christ tells us that He fulfilled in His flesh by His Crucifiction. However the Moral law is the 10 Commandments of which if you break any one of them you are guilty of breaking all. By the way that includes the second and fourth in case you did not know.
Ex 20:4-6
4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:
5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.
KJV
Ex 20:8-11
8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
KJV
humble srevant of the Lord God Most High

You are quoting this...

Rom 8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
Rom 8:4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

i can assure you that no ceremonial laws are fulfilled in what we do.

The truth does not lie with meeting on one day and not another..or fasting, on say, a thursday instead of a tuesday.

The ceremonial laws are according to temple holiness. The law of righteousness is regarding the loving of God and other men.

 

[us2are1]

Assurance of salvation:

Acts 13:38-39
38 Therefore let it be known to you, brethren, that through this Man is preached to you the forgiveness of sins;
39 and by Him everyone who believes is justified from all things from which you could not be justified by the law of Moses.
NKJV

Romans 4:5-8
5 But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is accounted for righteousness,
6 just as David also describes the blessedness of the man to whom God imputes righteousness apart from works:
7 "Blessed are those whose lawless deeds are forgiven, And whose sins are covered;
8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord shall not impute sin."
NKJV

Romans 10:3-4
3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and seeking to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted to the righteousness of God.
4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.
NKJV

Romans 10:10-13
10 For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
11 For the Scripture says, "Whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame."
12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek, for the same Lord over all is rich to all who call upon Him.
13 For "whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved."
NKJV

1 John 5:4-5
4 For whatever is born of God overcomes the world. And this is the victory that has overcome the world — our faith.
5 Who is he who overcomes the world, but he who believes that Jesus is the Son of God?
NKJV

1 John 5:9-13
9 If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater; for this is the witness of God which He has testified of His Son.
10 He who believes in the Son of God has the witness in himself; he who does not believe God has made Him a liar, because he has not believed the testimony that God has given of His Son.
11 And this is the testimony: that God has given us eternal life, and this life is in His Son.
12 He who has the Son has life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have life.
13 These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life, and that you may continue to believe in the name of the Son of God.
NKJV

The children of God HAVE eternal life

Amen RichardBurger

Now all they have to do is fit the ticket of What constitutes true belief, to the saving of their souls.

Mouth service and the gospel message of "every eye closed and no one looking around" will save no one and is not belief.

Only those who do what Christ taught and did truly Believe.







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[us2are1]

Episkopos

Name one person alive today (besides Jesus) who is holy.

Thanks.

All who through Christ's sacrifice walk in His Spirit and are the body of Christ here on earth today.

8 So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God.
9 But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His.
10 And if Christ is in you, the body is dead because of sin, but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.

Romans 13
14 But put on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make no provision for the flesh, to fulfill its lusts.




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[Episkopos]

All who through Christ's sacrifice walk in His Spirit and are the body of Christ here on earth today.

8 So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God.
9 But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His.
10 And if Christ is in you, the body is dead because of sin, but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.

Romans 13
14 But put on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make no provision for the flesh, to fulfill its lusts.




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Very good~

 

[Sabitarian]

Episkopos,
Surely you do not honor the Word of God with your verbal debate of the Word. God rested on the 7th day even though He has no reason to rest at all, but it was to show us that it is the day we should honor. It is the only day sanctified and made Holy By the Creator and just any day is not like it in any respect. Find me any scripture which factually states that God changed His Mind. If you do then God is a liar and none of us should believe any thing He says.
humble servant of the Lord God Most high

 

[Episkopos]

Episkopos,
Surely you do not honor the Word of God with your verbal debate of the Word. God rested on the 7th day even though He has no reason to rest at all, but it was to show us that it is the day we should honor. It is the only day sanctified and made Holy By the Creator and just any day is not like it in any respect. Find me any scripture which factually states that God changed His Mind. If you do then God is a liar and none of us should believe any thing He says.
humble servant of the Lord God Most high

Romans 14:5 One man esteems one day above another: another esteems every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.

If a man does not understand spiritual things he has no choice but to try to accomplish the law in the flesh. The rest of God is not a breather...but a spiritual rest. If a man thinks he can accomplish the law by a human effort...we call that Judaism.

 

[us2are1]

Episkopos,
Surely you do not honor the Word of God with your verbal debate of the Word. God rested on the 7th day even though He has no reason to rest at all, but it was to show us that it is the day we should honor. It is the only day sanctified and made Holy By the Creator and just any day is not like it in any respect. Find me any scripture which factually states that God changed His Mind. If you do then God is a liar and none of us should believe any thing He says.
humble servant of the Lord God Most high

God rested on the seventh Day which from where we are sitting has not come yet. Christ's Thousand Year reign Gives God"s Spirit rest and also to all who are there in His Kingdom. Christ's millennial reign is "The Sabbath" . The Sabbath where no man will ever do the will of man again. Praise God!!


Hebrews 4
1 Therefore, since a promise remains of entering His rest, let us fear lest any of you seem to have come short of it.
2 For indeed the gospel was preached to us as well as to them; but the word which they heard did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in those who heard it.
3 For we who have believed do enter that rest, as He has said: "So I swore in My wrath, 'They shall not enter My rest,' " although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.
4 For He has spoken in a certain place of the seventh day in this way: "And God rested on the seventh day from all His works";








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[Sabitarian]

Son of Man,
I see that you have a problem with how scripture reads and no your problem is not with me.
Gen 1:14
14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
KJV
In case you do not get the reference here, this when God gave us a way to know when to honor His Sabbaths, He also gave us very specific instructions on how to celebrate His Sabbaths. And no they are not Jewish Sabbaths and the Son of God honored them all during His Ministry as did the Apostle Paul.
Gen 2:1-3
2:1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.
KJV
How can you say that God has not yet entered His Rest? It is written here and it tells us that He rested just after He Created man and the universe. He also Scanctified and made it Holy, just as I have posted from His Word.

 

[logabe]

Veteran, you sure put a lot of scripture on me. Psalms 37:20,

20 But the wicked shall perish, and the enemies
of the Lord shall be as the fat of the lambs: they
shall consume; into smoke shall they consume
away.

Who is God's emenies?

An enemy is one who is fighting God all the time. Israel fought
God at every test in the wilderness under Moses, and even
today they continue to disagree with His Law, calling it an evil
thing.

As for as the other scriptures about being cast into outer dark-
ness, it was comparable to God blinding them and causing them
to rebel for the purpose of bringing mercy through their (Israel)
unbelief. Romans 11:32.

32 For God has concluded them all in unbelief,
that he might have mercy upon all.

On the surface it is hard for us to comprehend the ways of God,
but as we grow in grace and become more like him, we begin to
agree that he has a great plan for Creation. Romans 11:36 says,

36 For of Him, and through Him, and to [into] Him,
are all things; to Whom be glory for ever. Amen.

Paul has begun to understand the ways of God, and so he does
not hesitate to agree fully with the plan of God in locking both
Israel and the world in blindness for a season. Why? Because out
of Him, and through Him, and into Him are all things.

These words indicate that all things ORIGINATE in God; all things
are processed THROUGH Him, and all things are going back
INTO Him. This is just another way of saying that in the end, God
will be all in all (1 Cor. 15:28). He will not be All in just a few, nor in
a tiny remnant, nor will He be limited to all Israel. He will be all IN
ALL.

Paul is consistent in this theme. He told the Colossians that God
had created all things and would also reconcile all things back to
Himself. Colossians 1:16-20 reads,

16 For by Him were all things [ta panta, “the all”]
created, that are in heaven, and that are in
earth, visible and invisible, whether they be
thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or
powers; all things [ta panta, “the all”] were
created by Him and for [into] Him.

This is “the all” of creation, and we read in John 1:3 that “all things
were made by Him, and without Him (or apart from Him) was not
anything made that was made.” Paul divides creation into things in
heaven and in earth and even includes all things visible and invisible,
including all authorities. Then He says in verse 20,

20 And having made peace through the blood
of His cross, by Him to reconcile all things [ta
panta, “the all”] unto Himself; by Him, I say,
whether they be things in earth or things in
heaven.

In other words, “the all” that was inclusive of all creation is also to be
reconciled back to God by the blood of the cross. All creation had
become God's enemy in need of reconciliation. This is what Paul said in
Romans 11, where Israel had become God's enemy through their unbelief,
joining the world of enemies in need of God's reconciliation. This was
accomplished on the cross, and its purpose shall be fulfilled, for this is the
divine plan, and no man can prevent it from happening.

Do you believe it?

Logabe

Who is God's enemy?

Let's continue this thought because a lot of Christians need to quit fighting
the devil everyday and begin to understand where their enemy resides so
they can overcome him by the Blood of the Lamb. Col. 1:21 says,

21 And you, that were sometimes alienated and enemies
in your mind by wicked works, yet now has he reconciled.

The enemy that holds us back is in our minds and our thoughts. What you think
determines whether you are free from your enemy. The old man is the "carnal
mind" that keeps us from doing exploits for God, he is your enemy. Eph. 2:3,

3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times
past in the lust of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the
flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of
wrath, even as others.

As we recognize that our enemy is within we can then zero in on our problems
that God is working on. If you don't realize your problem is within, you will always
have an excuse for your ungodly behavior. I had to quit hiding my sin and see
that my enemy wasn't someone out there somewhere that was causing me to do
the things that wasn't pleasing to God. It was me! I was the problem and Jesus
was the solution.

So what is God doing to relieve me from this intruder that at times it seems as
if he controls my every thought. Ahh, that's when the Word comes in handy. That's
when it becomes important to see God and not just know God.

You see, Israel knew God through his miracles but they did not see him like Moses
did when he went up the mount the Israelites stayed at the bottom. You can't have
an intimate relationship with God through miracles or by hearing someone else talk
about him, you have to go up the mountain and see for yourself.

So what do we do? All of our natural ways of looking @ things must go, if we are to
enjoy this heavenly citizenship. It is those who are led by the Spirit who can begin to
enjoy the power of the resurrection. Romans 8:13 says,

13 For if you live after the flesh, you shall die, but if you through
the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, you shall live.

What does that mean? It means if you allow the old man (carnal mind) to dominate
your thought process, you will die to the things of God. You will get cold toward the
things of God and eventually become religious. Ahh, that's your enemy.

If you choose to walk with God, he will begin to burn you up. He will destroy that old
man daily if you choose him daily. If you choose the flesh you will die spiritually that
day and if it continues for a long period of time it will be hard to overcome. You will
live a defeated life until God puts you in another position to choose to walk in the
Spirit.

If you reject the opportunity to walk in the Spirit you will die in the wilderness (world)
and God will raise you up in the second resurrection because you will have forfeited
the first resurrection by rejecting the fire that was kindled inside of you to purify your
heart and mind. The purpose of this age and the ages past is to call out leaders for
the next age.

When Gideon came to God with 10,000 men God told him he had too many. So God
narrowed them down to 300 which is a type and shadow of what he has been doing
for the last 6,000 years. Many are called but few are chosen, because most would
rather skip the fire. Those that God loves he chastises and he said he loves the whole
world. That tells me when someone is called by God, he will be chastized with trials
and tribulation so he can become like God in character and nature. That is the
purpose of your trials. God wasn't mad @ the other 9,700 men that didn't meet the
requirements that God had laid out to Gideon. They were inmature and they didn't
pass the test. As Paul said, I have finished my course as referring to the life he had
lived with Christ and we are in the midst of our course.

Will God burn the old man up? You bet he will. The old man will be ashamed of himself
so much so he will want to die. God will utterly destroy that enemy and the new man will
come forth with power from on high. John said, Jesus will baptise you with the Holy
Ghost and fire. Isa. 33:14-15 says,

14 The sinners in Zion are afraid; fearfulness has surprised the
hypocrites. Who among us shall dwell with the devouring fire?
Who among us shall dwell with everlasting burnings?
15 He that walketh righteously, and speaketh uprightly; he that
despiseth the gain of oppressions, that shaketh his hands from
holding bribes, that stoppeth his ears from hearing of blood and
shutteth his eyes from seeing evil.

Yes, the old man's days are numbered and God will do what he said
he would do. Let's allow God to destroy him now and the second death
will have no power over us and our enemy will be powerless.

Logabe

 

[RichardBurger]

Who is God's enemy?

Let's continue this thought because a lot of Christians need to quit fighting
the devil everyday and begin to understand where their enemy resides so
they can overcome him by the Blood of the Lamb. Col. 1:21 says,

21 And you, that were sometimes alienated and enemies
in your mind by wicked works, yet now has he reconciled.

The enemy that holds us back is in our minds and our thoughts. What you think
determines whether you are free from your enemy. The old man is the "carnal
mind" that keeps us from doing exploits for God, he is your enemy. Eph. 2:3,

3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times
past in the lust of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the
flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of
wrath, even as others.

As we recognize that our enemy is within we can then zero in on our problems
that God is working on. If you don't realize your problem is within, you will always
have an excuse for your ungodly behavior. I had to quit hiding my sin and see
that my enemy wasn't someone out there somewhere that was causing me to do
the things that wasn't pleasing to God. It was me! I was the problem and Jesus
was the solution.

So what is God doing to relieve me from this intruder that at times it seems as
if he controls my every thought. Ahh, that's when the Word comes in handy. That's
when it becomes important to see God and not just know God.

You see, Israel knew God through his miracles but they did not see him like Moses
did when he went up the mount the Israelites stayed at the bottom. You can't have
an intimate relationship with God through miracles or by hearing someone else talk
about him, you have to go up the mountain and see for yourself.

So what do we do? All of our natural ways of looking @ things must go, if we are to
enjoy this heavenly citizenship. It is those who are led by the Spirit who can begin to
enjoy the power of the resurrection. Romans 8:13 says,

13 For if you live after the flesh, you shall die, but if you through
the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, you shall live.

What does that mean? It means if you allow the old man (carnal mind) to dominate
your thought process, you will die to the things of God. You will get cold toward the
things of God and eventually become religious. Ahh, that's your enemy.

If you choose to walk with God, he will begin to burn you up. He will destroy that old
man daily if you choose him daily. If you choose the flesh you will die spiritually that
day and if it continues for a long period of time it will be hard to overcome. You will
live a defeated life until God puts you in another position to choose to walk in the
Spirit.

If you reject the opportunity to walk in the Spirit you will die in the wilderness (world)
and God will raise you up in the second resurrection because you will have forfeited
the first resurrection by rejecting the fire that was kindled inside of you to purify your
heart and mind. The purpose of this age and the ages past is to call out leaders for
the next age.

When Gideon came to God with 10,000 men God told him he had too many. So God
narrowed them down to 300 which is a type and shadow of what he has been doing
for the last 6,000 years. Many are called but few are chosen, because most would
rather skip the fire. Those that God loves he chastises and he said he loves the whole
world. That tells me when someone is called by God, he will be chastized with trials
and tribulation so he can become like God in character and nature. That is the
purpose of your trials. God wasn't mad @ the other 9,700 men that didn't meet the
requirements that God had laid out to Gideon. They were inmature and they didn't
pass the test. As Paul said, I have finished my course as referring to the life he had
lived with Christ and we are in the midst of our course.

Will God burn the old man up? You bet he will. The old man will be ashamed of himself
so much so he will want to die. God will utterly destroy that enemy and the new man will
come forth with power from on high. John said, Jesus will baptise you with the Holy
Ghost and fire. Isa. 33:14-15 says,

14 The sinners in Zion are afraid; fearfulness has surprised the
hypocrites. Who among us shall dwell with the devouring fire?
Who among us shall dwell with everlasting burnings?
15 He that walketh righteously, and speaketh uprightly; he that
despiseth the gain of oppressions, that shaketh his hands from
holding bribes, that stoppeth his ears from hearing of blood and
shutteth his eyes from seeing evil.

Yes, the old man's days are numbered and God will do what he said
he would do. Let's allow God to destroy him now and the second death
will have no power over us and our enemy will be powerless.

Logabe

I like this reply but, IMHO, it has a fault. It requires the power of men to overcome our enemy. If salvation and overcoming is by the power of men then there is no assurance of salvation.

 

[us2are1]

Son of Man,
I see that you have a problem with how scripture reads and no your problem is not with me.
Gen 1:14
14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
KJV
In case you do not get the reference here, this when God gave us a way to know when to honor His Sabbaths, He also gave us very specific instructions on how to celebrate His Sabbaths. And no they are not Jewish Sabbaths and the Son of God honored them all during His Ministry as did the Apostle Paul.
Gen 2:1-3
2:1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.
KJV
How can you say that God has not yet entered His Rest? It is written here and it tells us that He rested just after He Created man and the universe. He also Scanctified and made it Holy, just as I have posted from His Word.

It doesn't say that it says

2:1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.

God finished it from the time he purposed it, Began His creation and started it into motion. He is still creating it now and as we sit here it continues to be created.

Christ removing all the devils and their creations from earth usher in the sabbath of God when Christ gives God who is Spirit Rest.

Ask God for His Spirit and He will lead you into all truth.

.

 

[logabe]

I like this reply but, IMHO, it has a fault. It requires the power of men to overcome our enemy. If salvation and overcoming is by the power of men then there is no

assurance of salvation

.

Richard, this isn't about being saved. You are already saved. You were saved 2000 yrs.
ago when Jesus died and was buried and was raised from the grave by God. I'm talking
about Christians living a victorious life by recognizing their problem with the OLD MAN
after they have been saved. I'm sure you have problems with him sometimes, I sure do.

Do you want to live victoriously in the Kingdom Of God or would you rather ignore the OLD
MAN and wait to deal with him @ a later date. It's totally left up to you, but I will warn you
he is a stinker and he want's to do his thing everyday. Paul said, he dies daily.

Logabe

 

[RichardBurger]

Richard, this isn't about being saved. You are already saved. You were saved 2000 yrs.
ago when Jesus died and was buried and was raised from the grave by God. I'm talking
about Christians living a victorious life by recognizing their problem with the OLD MAN
after they have been saved. I'm sure you have problems with him sometimes, I sure do.

Do you want to live victoriously in the Kingdom Of God or would you rather ignore the OLD
MAN and wait to deal with him @ a later date. It's totally left up to you, but I will warn you
he is a stinker and he want's to do his thing everyday. Paul said, he dies daily.

Logabe

That is my point. Those that have total belief, faith, trust, confidence in Jesus' shed blood on the cross do not worry about their sin nature. Jesus provided a way for sinful people to be called righteous before God simply by trusting in God's work on the cross.

No! I don't have a problem with my sins of the sinful flesh because I know that "in Christ" I am free from them. -- But I find very few that really believe this.

I live victoriously in the Kingdom Of God by my belief, faith, trust, and confidence in God. When Jesus (God) sent Paul with the gospel of grace I believed it as the word of God.

The problem with religious man is that he/she thinks they no longer sin in the flesh; it is the others that sin and so they spend their time on forums telling others not to sin in the flesh and at the same time they close their eyes to their own sins of the flesh.

Matthew 7:1-4
7 "Judge not, that you be not judged.
2 For with what judgment you judge, you will be judged; and with the measure you use, it will be measured back to you.
3 And why do you look at the speck in your brother's eye, but do not consider the plank in your own eye?
4 Or how can you say to your brother, 'Let me remove the speck from your eye'; and look, a plank is in your own eye?
NKJV

 

[Episkopos]

That is my point. Those that have total belief, faith, trust, confidence in Jesus' shed blood on the cross do not worry about their sin nature. Jesus provided a way for sinful people to be called righteous before God simply by trusting in God's work on the cross.

No! I don't have a problem with my sins of the sinful flesh because I know that "in Christ" I am free from them. -- But I find very few that really believe this.

I live victoriously in the Kingdom Of God by my belief, faith, trust, and confidence in God. When Jesus (God) sent Paul with the gospel of grace I believed it as the word of God.

The problem with religious man is that he/she thinks they no longer sin in the flesh; it is the others that sin and so they spend their time on forums telling others not to sin in the flesh and at the same time they close their eyes to their own sins of the flesh.

Matthew 7:1-4
7 "Judge not, that you be not judged.
2 For with what judgment you judge, you will be judged; and with the measure you use, it will be measured back to you.
3 And why do you look at the speck in your brother's eye, but do not consider the plank in your own eye?
4 Or how can you say to your brother, 'Let me remove the speck from your eye'; and look, a plank is in your own eye?
NKJV

Again...Jesus does not make sinful people righteous IN their sins. He makes former sinful people righteous. God has not changed the definition of words on the cross. He has empowered men to be as He is. We are to be holy as God is holy. Is God sinful? Are we to be sinful as God is sinful?

There is a great confusion here. The devil is sinful. God is not. Those who are of the devil are sinful. Those who are in Christ do not sin (or don't have to). Jesus died so that WE could overcome through Him.

 

[Vashti]

The problem with religious man is that he/she thinks they no longer sin in the flesh; it is the others that sin and so they spend their time on forums telling others not to sin in the flesh and at the same time they close their eyes to their own sins of the flesh.

Matthew 7:1-4
7 "Judge not, that you be not judged.

why do you judge, if it's not allowed?

 

[Episkopos]

The Christian has become MORE responsible for his sins...not less. Our reputation and witness in the world is not based on how much we can ignore our own sin based on our beliefs. God is mocked by this. Only the devil would want to soothe our consciences in order to permit sin with no second thoughts. What is being preached here is a disconnect with reality