Difference between Catholic and Protestant.

[theefaith]

Isn't counting them enough for us? If you start at "I am the Lord thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage..." ("Egypt" being a "type" to its "antitype" which is the bondage of sin), you'll find a total of 10 which follow.

They are the "Law of Liberty" into which we look, as a mirror, to see if we're living according to them, and if not, we go to Christ for cleansing AND power, after which we continue looking into the mirror "not being a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work".

Ex 20:2-6 the first one God
Ex 20:7 second holy name
Ex 20:8-11 third sabbath
Ex 20:12 fourth father mother
Ex 20:13 fifth not kill
Ex 20:14 sixth not adultery
Ex 20:15 seventh not theft
Ex 20:16 eighth not lying
Ex 20:17 ninth not covet goods
Ex 20:17 tenth not covet wife

there ya go!

and we don’t worship any but Hod alone an idolatry is forbidden

 

[BreadOfLife]

The apostle James was killed in Acts 12, was he replaced? The Scripture doesn't say so!
Peter being called by the RCC the first Pope is not recorded in Scripture!

All "traditions of men."

Simon of Jerusalem succeeded James as Bishop of Jerusalem.

Unfortunately – YOU are under the FALSE impression that EVERYTHING in history must be contained in the Bible.

WHERE is the American Revolution in the Bible??
WHERE is the Protestant Revolt in the Bible??
WHERE is Martin Luther in the Bible??

Do you see the stupidity of your logic?

By the way, Einstein, “Pope” is simply a term of endearment that means “Papa” or “Father”. It’s NOT an official title of the Bishop of Rome.

Do your homework . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

Logic it out mate, Satan WANTS mugs to think they'll be let out of hell after serving their time..

Soooo – even after having it explained to you TWICE, you STILL don’t get it??

You can’ be that stupid . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

I know, but not to any Tom Dick Harry such as catholic priests..
For example an IRA bomb went off in my home city of Leicester (England) in 1990 but miraculously nobody was hurt, we lived three miles away and it rattled our windows and woke up our cat.
The bombers probably nipped straight round to their nearest cath church and confessed it to their priest who probably said "No problem, you're forgiven", then they probably went home and started making another bomb.
If ever I meet one of them I'll ask him what the hell our cat had done to upset the IRA..

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Your posts get more and more idiotic as you go along because you’re perfectly content to wallow in ignorance.

In John 29:21-23, Jesus gave His disciples and their successors to the poer to forgive sins OR to hold them bound. Just because somebody confesses a sin DOESN’T mean that they are “automatically” forgiven – especially the sin of terrorism.

YOU wouldn’t have the foggiest clue about this because not ONLY are you totally ignorant of Scripture – you have a truly moronic understanding about what the Catholic Church teaches.

 

[theefaith]

I know, but not to any Tom Dick Harry such as catholic priests..
For example an IRA bomb went off in my home city of Leicester (England) in 1990 but miraculously nobody was hurt, we lived three miles away and it rattled our windows and woke up our cat.
The bombers probably nipped straight round to their nearest cath church and confessed it to their priest who probably said "No problem, you're forgiven", then they probably went home and started making another bomb.
If ever I meet one of them I'll ask him what the hell our cat had done to upset the IRA..

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nothing about the “black & tans” of course!

All about Bloody Mary nary a word about bloody Elizabeth the martyr machine

 

[theefaith]

The Ten Commandments.

The Catholic church has REMOVED the 2nd commandment forbidding the bowing down to images, because they know millions of sincere Catholic faithful bow down and pray to them - the toes of Peter in St. Peter's Basilica have been totally kissed away after centuries of sincere Catholics being led to break the commandment which the NT forbids.

Images are not forbidden, such as the cherubim on the ark of the covenant exod 25:18 and the bronze serpent num 21:9 and Jn 3:14 are not forbidden but even commanded, graven or worshiped as a god then these images are forbidden such as the golden calf!

Bowing down or posture does not equal worship or adoration!

Worship requires intent!
You must have the intent to worship God properly!

Worship requires intent, offering of sacrifice, a ordained priesthood, adoration, reparation, thanksgiving, and petition!

Bowing or posture does not equal worship! Kneeling next to your bed to pray is that worshiping your bed?

Genesis 23:12
And Abraham bowed down himself before the people of the land.

Genesis 42:6
And Joseph was the governor over the land, and he it was that sold to all the people of the land: and Joseph's brethren came, and bowed down themselves before him with their faces to the earth.

Bowing a sign of obedience!

Genesis 43:28
And they answered, Thy servant our father is in good health, he is yet alive. And they bowed down their heads, and made obeisance.

1 Kings 1:53
So king Solomon sent, and they brought him down from the altar. And he came and bowed himself to king Solomon: and Solomon said unto him, Go to thine house.

1 Kings 2:19
Bathsheba therefore went unto king Solomon, to speak unto him for Adonijah. And the king rose up to meet her, and bowed himself unto her


If you kneel next to your bed to say your prayers at night are you worshiping your bed? No!

I have been a catholic all my life and I’m 60 and I have never worshiped Mary or the saints or a statute!

Reverence, veneration, love and devotion yes! Worship no!

Imitation of the the life and virtues of the saints! Yes a husband and father should imitate Saint Joseph, his life of godliness and virtue, patience and obedience and faithfulness! The family should imitate the holy family of Nazareth!

the icon-o-clast heresy was condemned by the holy apostles in the authority of Christ in the seventh century at the second council of Nicea!

 

[BreadOfLife]

This is great example of RCC distortion. Revelation 21:27 is a statement about the New Jerusalem. It's your assumption that the passage is about Heaven, but scripture teaches that Heaven is rolled up like a scroll to make way for a new Heaven and a new Earth. The "city" comes down to Earth.

2And I saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. 3And I heard a loud voice from the throne, saying, “Behold, the tabernacle of God is among the people, and He will dwell among them, and they shall be His People, and God Himself will be among them, 4and He will wipe away every tear from their eyes; and there will no longer be any death; there will no longer be any mourning, or crying, or pain; the first things have passed away.”
Revelation 21:2-4

And do you imagine that life is only a gift to those who enter the city? My translations of scripture all describe a river that flows from the throne of God and runs outside of the city so that all may freely drink.

1And he showed me a river of the water of life, clear as crystal, coming from the throne of God and of the Lamb, 2in the middle of its street. On either side of the river was the tree of life, bearing twelve kinds of fruit, yielding its fruit every month; and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.
Revelation 22:1-2

This is parallel to Ezekiel 47:1-12 which gives a lengthier description of the river and its extents.

Neither passage is explicitly about Heaven.

I find it unbelievable that you don’t understand that if NOTHING impure or imperfect can enter something that comes DOWN from Heaven, that the SAME wouldn’t be true for Heaven itself.

Do YOU believe that Heaven is filled with IMPERFECTIONS?
1 Cor. 2:9
But, as it is written, “What no eye has seen, nor ear heard, nor the heart of man imagined, what God has prepared for those who love him”

Rev. 21:4
‘He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death’[a] or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away.”

Does THIS sound like a place of impurity and imperfection??

What an appalling lack of faith you have . . .

 

[theefaith]

Want to try you’re hand “call no man father”?

 

[Taken]

@Dropship ~ are ya feeling it yet?
You know all the Catholic love BOL pours out...

 

[Taken]

Shocking...? District of Corruption Terrorism...Shocking...? Uh, no.

 

[Phoneman777]

Ex 20:2-6 the first one God
Ex 20:7 second holy name
Ex 20:8-11 third sabbath
Ex 20:12 fourth father mother
Ex 20:13 fifth not kill
Ex 20:14 sixth not adultery
Ex 20:15 seventh not theft
Ex 20:16 eighth not lying
Ex 20:17 ninth not covet goods
Ex 20:17 tenth not covet wife

there ya go!

and we don’t worship any but Hod alone an idolatry is forbidden

According to what? Not the Bible:

1) No gods before God
2) No makin images to bow down before (as is done in Catholicism)
3) No blasphemin God's name
4) No breakin the Sabbath
5) No dishonorin Mom and Dad
6) No killin
7) No cheatin
8) No stealin
9) No lyin
10) No covetin another's wife or property

Anything less would be uncivilized.

 

[Taken]

Want to try you’re hand “call no man father”?

Calling one “father”, was apparently okay when the unsaved soul of a rich man in hell called out to Abraham and said...Father Abraham.

 

[Charlie24]

Simon of Jerusalem succeeded James as Bishop of Jerusalem.

Unfortunately – YOU are under the FALSE impression that EVERYTHING in history must be contained in the Bible.

WHERE is the American Revolution in the Bible??
WHERE is the Protestant Revolt in the Bible??
WHERE is Martin Luther in the Bible??

Do you see the stupidity of your logic?

By the way, Einstein, “Pope” is simply a term of endearment that means “Papa” or “Father”. It’s NOT an official title of the Bishop of Rome.

Do your homework . . .

That is Church history speaking, the "traditions of men" not the inspired Word of God!

A whole lot of that going on in Catholicism.

There are many things we assume from written history, but whose history is it, and is it true?

 

[Charlie24]

That is Church history speaking, the "traditions of men" not the inspired Word of God!

A whole lot of that going on in Catholicism.

There are many things we assume from written history, but whose history is it, and is it true?

Simon could well have replaced James as the pastor of the Church in Jerusalem, I don't know.

But we are talking Apostolic Succession here, and that will have to come from Scripture.

And it ain't there!

 

[theefaith]

According to what? Not the Bible:

1) No gods before God
2) No makin images to bow down before (as is done in Catholicism)
3) No blasphemin God's name
4) No breakin the Sabbath
5) No dishonorin Mom and Dad
6) No killin
7) No cheatin
8) No stealin
9) No lyin
10) No covetin another's wife or property

Anything less would be uncivilized.

the Bible does not have a list!
Never says where one ends and the second begins
The teaching authority of Christ in his church says which is first, second, etc.

Why does it matter? You silly idea that just cos its not stated as the second commandment that it’s somehow ok to have idolatry???

it says no other Gods period!

why does it matter what false Gods exist, there all false and worship of them is forbidden period!

 

[theefaith]

Calling one “father”, was apparently okay when the unsaved soul of a rich man in hell called out to Abraham and said...Father Abraham.

a good point
My fave is Jesus and the woman at the well, Jn 4:20 she calls men father and he is silent!!!

And saint Stephen the first martyr acts 7 quotes the patriarch or fathers multiple times over!

 

[BreadOfLife]

That is Church history speaking, the "traditions of men" not the inspired Word of God!

A whole lot of that going on in Catholicism.

There are many things we assume from written history, but whose history is it, and is it true?

Are you so ignorant that you don’t understand that historically-speaking – Scripture doesn’t go beyond the FIRST century?

Do you actually believe that the Church CEASED to exist because there are no Books after Revelation?

You knock Sacred Tradition – yet YOU adhere to the Tradition of the Canon of Scripture – that WASN’T declared until it was declared by the Catholic Church in 393 AD.

You ignorant anti-Catholics crack me up.
You condemn Tradition – yet you stake your very SALVATION on a Catholic Tradition and even hold it up as your SOLE Authority . . .

 

[theefaith]

Are you so ignorant that you don’t understand that historically-speaking – Scripture doesn’t go beyond the FIRST century?

Do you actually believe that the Church CEASED to exist because there are no Books after Revelation?

You knock Sacred Tradition – yet YOU adhere to the Tradition of the Canon of Scripture – that WASN’T declared until it was declared by the Catholic Church in 393 AD.

You ignorant anti-Catholics crack me up.
You condemn Tradition – yet you stake your very SALVATION on a Catholic Tradition and even hold it up as your SOLE Authority . . .

better yet is that the church existed and exercised the authority of for years before there was scripture, and the church that had authority to write scripture has authority to teach!
Scripture was not approved until 381
Without the teaching authority of in his apostles in his church you CANNOT KNOW WHAT IS AND WHAT IS NOT SCRIPTURE!!!

 

[BreadOfLife]

Simon could well have replaced James as the pastor of the Church in Jerusalem, I don't know.

But we are talking Apostolic Succession here, and that will have to come from Scripture.
And it ain't there!

And your dishonesty is as great as your abject ignorance of Scripture.

I already proved Apostolic Succession a few posts back when I educated you about the Greek language in Acts 1:20. “May another take his Episkopay (Bishopric).
A Bishopric is a successive office, just as the priestly office in the OT.

Matt. 18:15-18 us another proof. It shows that the FINAL earthly Authority is the Church.
The SAME is true for Matt. 16:18-19 and John 20:21-22.

In 1 Timothy 3:1, Paul writes about the office of Bishop. HOWEVER, in Eph 4:1, he doesn’t say “Bishop” – he says apostle, prophet, pastor, evangelist, and teacher in describing a Bishop’s duties.
Bishops are the SUCCESSORS to the Apostles.

In the 1st century (80AD), we have the Letter of Clement, the 3rd Pope. Ibn this letter, je is making a judgement about a controversy in the Church at Corinth. WHY would the Bishop of Rome be making a judgement about another Bishop’s Church if he WASN’T in charge??

As usual – you DON’T know what you’re talking abiout . .

 

[Charlie24]

Are you so ignorant that you don’t understand that historically-speaking – Scripture doesn’t go beyond the FIRST century?

Do you actually believe that the Church CEASED to exist because there are no Books after Revelation?

You knock Sacred Tradition – yet YOU adhere to the Tradition of the Canon of Scripture – that WASN’T declared until it was declared by the Catholic Church in 393 AD.

You ignorant anti-Catholics crack me up.
You condemn Tradition – yet you stake your very SALVATION on a Catholic Tradition and even hold it up as your SOLE Authority . . .

LOL, I think you are the exception to the general rule of Catholics being respectful in discussion!

Yes, I think someone told me a while back that Biblical history doesn't go past the 1st century.

That is the lifeline of the RCC, "don't question us, the mighty Church, our account of history is the only history."

It's just proof that the RCC places their "traditions of men" above the words "thus saith the Lord."

You have no proof of Apostolic Succession, and you never will have proof of it.

Us Protestants have no regard whatsoever for your unbiblical church history!