"Salvation" is the gift of Eternal Life - it's FOREVER.

[Marymog]

We are not reading the words of men. Obviously, you are.

Lol....YOU are not reading the words of men????????? Sooooooo you are reading the words of God and interpreting Gods words in your carnal brain which is inside a man. Sooo in effect your changing Gods words into your words which is a mans words.

And this coming from a man who wrote a book that he wants other men to read and believe him when he says that he discovered an error in the history of the early Christian church? Oh goodness......

 

[Marymog]

Did you get that I'm saying, this kind of comment isn't actually an argument?

Much love!

It is an argument. I am arguing that my men are right and your men are wrong. Why are mine right? Because they follow Scripture. Your men twist Scripture.

That is my argument marks.....

 

[Behold]

That flood water washed away sin.

Your "cult of mary" theology is really so deceived.

Listen...
only BLOOD can wash away and forgive sin.
"without the shedding of BLOOD there is no washing away, no redemption from, no REMISSION".

Its the BLOOD ATONEMENT that is Christ on the Cross< not the city water supply atonement as Heretics teach, as baptismal regeneration.

So, the Final answer is.....that water under Noah ARK was God's JUDGMENT against SIN, exactly as that FIRE and BRIMSTONE that burned up the same type in Sodom and Gomorrah, was God's "Judgment against sin".

 

[Charlie24]

You have drank the koolaide that your protestant men gave you. Read the entire passage and put it in context with ALL of Scripture Charlie:

Why does Scripture say that 8 were saved by water when it seems very clear that the wood boat saved them? Because it was the intent of God to teach man the necessity of water baptism! The flood, which was Gods wrath/judgement, destroyed sin and took it away from the world. That flood water washed away sin. That same flood water lifted up and put 8 above and saved them from that sin/evil. Here is the cool part Behold that your men failed to teach you! Noah sent out a dove and it eventually returned with an olive leaf. What does a dove represent in Scripture Behold? What does an olive leaf represent in Noah's story Behold? The dove represents the Holy Spirit. The olive leaf represented a new life. So we have water that saved 8 AND washed away sin AND a dove (Holy Spirit) and an olive leaf (new life) all in the same story. Golly gee......... Hmmmm.......What is going on here . Kind of sounds like Acts 2:38 and 22:16 might be connected to the whole Noah thing Behold. And putting all that in context with 1 Peter 3:21 it all makes sense now. Water does save us, just like it saved the 8, AND it washes away sin and gives us a new life.....you know, just like Scripture says it does.

The eight souls saved by water were not saved from sin, they were saved from drowning in the flood by being in the ark.

This is the "like figure" the symbol of water baptism saving us.

Do you understand? The water saved them by lifting up the ark in safety, while the others were lost.

Do you see how they were saved by water?

This is the "like figure/the symbol of water saving us through the spiritual baptism.

 

[Marymog]

The eight souls saved by water were not saved from sin, they were saved from drowning in the flood by being in the ark.

This is the "like figure" the symbol of water baptism saving us.

Do you understand? The water saved them by lifting up the ark in safety, while the others were lost.

Do you see how they were saved by water?

This is the "like figure/the symbol of water saving us through the spiritual baptism.

I agree with you. They were saved by water. And baptism with water now saves you. Just like Scripture says.

 

[Marymog]

Your "cult of mary" theology is really so deceived.

Listen...
only BLOOD can wash away and forgive sin.
"without the shedding of BLOOD there is no washing away, no redemption from, no REMISSION".

Its the BLOOD ATONEMENT that is Christ on the Cross< not the city water supply atonement as Heretics teach, as baptismal regeneration.

So, the Final answer is.....that water under Noah ARK was God's JUDGMENT against SIN, exactly as that FIRE and BRIMSTONE that burned up the same type in Sodom and Gomorrah, was God's "Judgment against sin".

What your men have taught you would be right if they taught you all of Scripture. They didn't. They failed you. Rise up and be baptized to wash away your sins. Just like Scripture says.

But I get it. If you deny the parts of Scripture that doesn't fit what you have been taught, then you will always be right. Right?

 

[Marymog]

Still more characterization, again, just anyone can do that. Anyone. It's meaningless. The Scriptures I've alluded to, I'm certain you, a veteran debater on this topic, I'm certain you know the ones, just as I do, I've said what they've said, not more and not less, that's all.

Much love!

And STILL no passage from Scripture that you alluded to back up what you said. Still waiting marks...still waiting...Patient Mary

 

[ScottA]

Lol....YOU are not reading the words of men????????? Sooooooo you are reading the words of God and interpreting Gods words in your carnal brain which is inside a man. Sooo in effect your changing Gods words into your words which is a mans words.

And this coming from a man who wrote a book that he wants other men to read and believe him when he says that he discovered an error in the history of the early Christian church? Oh goodness......

Oh, that's right...you don't get nor believe the reality that "flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but My Father who is in heaven."

Obviously, still a big problem for you. You seem a little frazzled.

 

[Behold]

. Rise up and be baptized to wash away your sins.

Thank you, but i'll pass.
Why?
Because my Salvation was "raised up on the Cross, and HE died for my sins".

Jesus said.>"If i be lifted up".... and He was, and that blood and that death He ALONE provided on that "ark" that "Cross", is my Salvation..... is THE ONLY Salvation, as there is none other.
Water and works, need not apply.

This is why Jesus said to you, in John 14:6, that He is THE way to the Father., and water is not in the verse.
You should read it carefully, Marymog.

Your "way" is Water as that is what the "cult of Mary" taught you, and you'll find out that water didn't die on the Cross for you.

 

[Marymog]

Thank you, but i'll pass.
Why?
Because my Salvation was "raised up on the Cross, and HE died for my sins".

Jesus said.>"If i be lifted up".... and He was, and that blood and that death He ALONE provided on that "ark" that "Cross", is my Salvation..... is THE ONLY Salvation, as there is none other.
Water and works, need not apply.

This is why Jesus said to you, in John 14:6, that He is THE way to the Father., and water is not in the verse.
You should read it carefully, Marymog.

Your "way" is Water as that is what the "cult of Mary" taught you, and you'll find out that water didn't die on the Cross for you.

I know you will pass on His teachings. You have made that clear.

Faith without works is dead and to not follow the commandment of Jesus when he said baptize is to not do what he told you to do. What happens to people like you Behold when you don't do what he told you to do?

I agree. He is the way. And he told us to follow him and OBEY him. You disobey him if you don't baptize or get baptized.

No one said water died on the cross for me. That is a lie you have told yourself and continue to believe

 

[marks]

[QUOTE="marks, post: 1429457, member: 7985"Don't make this about me . . . look to the Scripture.

The Jews practiced water baptism, but Paul did not continue water baptism into the church. He specifically stated that. Just as he also specifically stated that there is "one baptism", and that we who are baptized are baptized into Christ, into His death and burial.

Many water baptized, and still do. Tradition and extra-curricular teaching do not replace or change Scripture. Paul had even himself continued briefly to water baptize, but then stopped, lest he confuse the matter for others, that they might think that Paul himself had something to do with their salvation, or some other error.

1 Corinthians 1:13-19 KJV
13) Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul?
14) I thank God that I baptized none of you, but Crispus and Gaius;
15) Lest any should say that I had baptized in mine own name.
16) And I baptized also the household of Stephanas: besides, I know not whether I baptized any other.
17) For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.
18) For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.
19) For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.

Ephesians 4:4-6 KJV
4) There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;
5) One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
6) One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

Romans 6:3-4 KJV
3) Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
4) Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

Much love![/QUOTE

 

[Charlie24]

I agree with you. They were saved by water. And baptism with water now saves you. Just like Scripture says.

I agree that water saves, but in symbol of the One Baptism that Paul spoke of, the baptism into Christ, the real baptism that takes place spiritually at faith in Christ.

 

[ScottA]

In order to navigate this issue of Water Baptism, one must first understand that since the beginning the "waters below" were separated from the "waters above."

Jesus clarified the difference speaking to the woman at the well...and the waters are not the same:

Therefore, when the Lord knew that the Pharisees had heard that Jesus made and baptized more disciples than John 2 (though Jesus Himself did not baptize, but His disciples), 3 He left Judea and departed again to Galilee. 4 But He needed to go through Samaria.

5 So He came to a city of Samaria which is called Sychar, near the plot of ground that Jacob gave to his son Joseph. 6 Now Jacob’s well was there. Jesus therefore, being wearied from His journey, sat thus by the well. It was about the sixth hour.

7 A woman of Samaria came to draw water. Jesus said to her, “Give Me a drink.” 8 For His disciples had gone away into the city to buy food.

9 Then the woman of Samaria said to Him, “How is it that You, being a Jew, ask a drink from me, a Samaritan woman?” For Jews have no dealings with Samaritans.

10 Jesus answered and said to her, “If you knew the gift of God, and who it is who says to you, ‘Give Me a drink,’ you would have asked Him, and He would have given you living water.”

11 The woman said to Him, “Sir, You have nothing to draw with, and the well is deep. Where then do You get that living water? 12 Are You greater than our father Jacob, who gave us the well, and drank from it himself, as well as his sons and his livestock?”

13 Jesus answered and said to her, “Whoever drinks of this water will thirst again, 14 but whoever drinks of the water that I shall give him will never thirst. But the water that I shall give him will become in him a fountain of water springing up into everlasting life.”

15 The woman said to Him, “Sir, give me this water, that I may not thirst, nor come here to draw.” John 4:1-15​

 

[Charlie24]

In order to navigate this issue of Water Baptism, one must first understand that since the beginning the "waters below" were separated from the "waters above."

Jesus clarified the difference speaking to the woman at the well...and the waters are not the same:

Therefore, when the Lord knew that the Pharisees had heard that Jesus made and baptized more disciples than John 2 (though Jesus Himself did not baptize, but His disciples), 3 He left Judea and departed again to Galilee. 4 But He needed to go through Samaria.

5 So He came to a city of Samaria which is called Sychar, near the plot of ground that Jacob gave to his son Joseph. 6 Now Jacob’s well was there. Jesus therefore, being wearied from His journey, sat thus by the well. It was about the sixth hour.

7 A woman of Samaria came to draw water. Jesus said to her, “Give Me a drink.” 8 For His disciples had gone away into the city to buy food.

9 Then the woman of Samaria said to Him, “How is it that You, being a Jew, ask a drink from me, a Samaritan woman?” For Jews have no dealings with Samaritans.

10 Jesus answered and said to her, “If you knew the gift of God, and who it is who says to you, ‘Give Me a drink,’ you would have asked Him, and He would have given you living water.”

11 The woman said to Him, “Sir, You have nothing to draw with, and the well is deep. Where then do You get that living water? 12 Are You greater than our father Jacob, who gave us the well, and drank from it himself, as well as his sons and his livestock?”

13 Jesus answered and said to her, “Whoever drinks of this water will thirst again, 14 but whoever drinks of the water that I shall give him will never thirst. But the water that I shall give him will become in him a fountain of water springing up into everlasting life.”

15 The woman said to Him, “Sir, give me this water, that I may not thirst, nor come here to draw.” John 4:1-15​

What one needs to know about water baptism is that salvation comes by faith alone.

The instant that faith takes place, the Holy Spirit baptizes that person spiritually into the death of Christ.

Paul calls it "the baptism into Christ." This is the One Baptism, in which water baptism is the symbol as Peter told us.

The water a the well with the Samaritan woman is a type of the Holy Spirit, that if taken, will spring up into eternal life.

 

[Marymog]

I agree that water saves, but in symbol of the One Baptism that Paul spoke of, the baptism into Christ, the real baptism that takes place spiritually at faith in Christ.

Scripture talks of more than one baptism. To deny baptism with water is to deny Scripture. Baptism takes place with water. Like when Jesus did it. Like when the Eunuch did it. The earliest Christian historical writings say baptism with water. To deny baptism with water is to deny Scripture.

You are right. Faith comes first, then baptism in water comes 2nd. There was one exception in Scripture. But being bible literate, I am sure you know that one passage already.

 

[Marymog]

In order to navigate this issue of Water Baptism, one must first understand that since the beginning the "waters below" were separated from the "waters above."

Jesus clarified the difference speaking to the woman at the well...and the waters are not the same:

Therefore, when the Lord knew that the Pharisees had heard that Jesus made and baptized more disciples than John 2 (though Jesus Himself did not baptize, but His disciples), 3 He left Judea and departed again to Galilee. 4 But He needed to go through Samaria.

5 So He came to a city of Samaria which is called Sychar, near the plot of ground that Jacob gave to his son Joseph. 6 Now Jacob’s well was there. Jesus therefore, being wearied from His journey, sat thus by the well. It was about the sixth hour.

7 A woman of Samaria came to draw water. Jesus said to her, “Give Me a drink.” 8 For His disciples had gone away into the city to buy food.

9 Then the woman of Samaria said to Him, “How is it that You, being a Jew, ask a drink from me, a Samaritan woman?” For Jews have no dealings with Samaritans.

10 Jesus answered and said to her, “If you knew the gift of God, and who it is who says to you, ‘Give Me a drink,’ you would have asked Him, and He would have given you living water.”

11 The woman said to Him, “Sir, You have nothing to draw with, and the well is deep. Where then do You get that living water? 12 Are You greater than our father Jacob, who gave us the well, and drank from it himself, as well as his sons and his livestock?”

13 Jesus answered and said to her, “Whoever drinks of this water will thirst again, 14 but whoever drinks of the water that I shall give him will never thirst. But the water that I shall give him will become in him a fountain of water springing up into everlasting life.”

15 The woman said to Him, “Sir, give me this water, that I may not thirst, nor come here to draw.” John 4:1-15​

Nope. Your men have taught you wrong. Scripture is dripping wet (intentional pun) with water baptism which has continued for us true christians for 2,000 years. Your twisting of Scripture is embarrasing.

 

[Charlie24]

Scripture talks of more than one baptism. To deny baptism with water is to deny Scripture. Baptism takes place with water. Like when Jesus did it. Like when the Eunuch did it. The earliest Christian historical writings say baptism with water. To deny baptism with water is to deny Scripture.

You are right. Faith comes first, then baptism in water comes 2nd. There was one exception in Scripture. But being bible literate, I am sure you know that one passage already.

Paul makes it clear that there is One baptism.

Eph. 4:3-6
"Endeavouring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace.

There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;

One Lord, one faith, one baptism,

One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all."

Notice that Paul says here "endeavoring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace."

Paul is saying, now let's get it straight as to the unity as it regards faith in Christ.

He wants no misunderstanding as to the facts that involve the faith.

There is one body, one Spirit, one Lord, one faith, one baptism.

There is only one body of Christ.

There is only one Spirit/the Holy Spirit.

There is only one Lord/ only one Saviour.

There is only one faith/ the faith in Christ.

There is only one baptism/the baptism into Christ.

Paul never one time mentions water baptism even remotely as a requirement for salvation.

The One baptism is the baptism into the death of Christ, as Paul taught in Rom. 6.

That is the spiritual aspect of salvation explained.

 

[ScottA]

Nope. Your men have taught you wrong. Scripture is dripping wet (intentional pun) with water baptism which has continued for us true christians for 2,000 years. Your twisting of Scripture is embarrasing.

I don't have men.

 

[bbyrd009]

Still trolling, troll man?

well, if you propagate your opinion as truth, i mean what do you expect, mog?

 

[bbyrd009]

which i dont mean to say that you dont have a valid opinion, ok; in the context of ritual baptism, for the religious. But “water” has like other, spiritual meanings? As does “immersion,” prolly