All things come from God the father of ALL . God is spirit and those that worship him must do so in Spirit and truth . I rest my case . Jesus is the Son of God come as Christ in the flesh .
What benefit does it produce to make Jesus God
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RLT63
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Mark 12.29
And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is , Hear O Israel; The Lord “OUR” God is “ONE” Lord . Quotes are for you to take special notice what Jesus said .
Jesus the Son of God makes Jesus equal to God thus Jesus is YHWH God.
The Apostle John declared "For this reason therefore the Jews were seeking all the more to kill Him, because He not only was breaking the Sabbath, but also was calling God His own Father, making Himself equal with God" (John 5:18). John's declaration is composed of four clauses.
- CLAUSE A: "For this reason therefore the Jews were seeking all the more to kill Him"
- John declares a "reason" for the Jews desire to kill Jesus.
- John does not plainly indicate whether the "reason" is valid or invalid.
- CLAUSE B: "because He not only was breaking the Sabbath"
- the Jews thought Jesus broke the Sabbath.
- John knows better than the Jews because John knows that Jesus declares "The Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath" (Matthew 12:8).
- CLAUSE C: "but also was calling God His own Father"
- Jesus openly declared that Jesus is the Son of God (John 10:36).
- the Jews heard, and they disbelieved that Jesus is the Son of God, so they wanted to kill Jesus.
- John heard, and he believed that Jesus is the Son of God, so John followed Jesus.
- CLAUSE D: "making Himself equal with God"
- John declares a statement of fact, here in Clause D.
- John does not write "the Jews wrongly thought that Jesus was making Himself equal with God".
- John proclaims the Godly conclusion to Jesus proclaiming "I am the Son of God" (John 10:36) is Lord Jesus making Himself equal with God.
- Jesus being equal with God is the same as Jesus being God because there is One True God (Deuteronomy 6:4).
- Jesus being YHWH God is Apostolic testimony as recorded in John 5:18.
The Truth (John 14:6) is that Jesus is God for the ever living Word of God proclaims this Truth "Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I AM" (John 8:58) and the Word of God says "I will settle him in My house and in My kingdom forever, and his throne shall be established forever" (1 Chronicles 17:14), so according to the Word, Lord Jesus existed in eternity past and will exist in eternity future which means the Word is uncreated thus the Word proclaims that the Word is YHWH God for there is NO other that exists in eternity past and future (Isaiah 45:5).
Jesus is God with us per the Apostle (Matthew 1:23), so Jesus is truly Almighty God, YHWH, with us (Revelation 1:8)!
Wrangler
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Your case is extra-ordinarily weak in light of 17:3 and 20:17, where Jesus said he has a God who is the only true God.
Wrangler
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Trinitarians do not want to recognize the most important commandment does not say God is 3-in-one.
God walked with Enoch, so Enoch must be God too according to your logic, but you are in error . Jesus is the Son of God .
Hosea 11.9
For I AM God , and not a man : the Holy One in the midst of thee…
Another anti trinarian verse
RLT63
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then you cannot be Christian!
Reject the Christian faith!
Deny your Lord!
The trinity and divinity of Christ are Christian doctrine!
The incarnation is the fact of God became man!
49 Nathanael answered and saith unto him, Rabbi, thou art the Son of God; thou art the King of Israel.
50 Jesus answered and said unto him, Because I said unto thee, I saw thee under the fig tree, believest thou? thou shalt see greater things than these.
51 And he saith unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Hereafter ye shall see heaven open, and the angels of God ascending and descending upon the Son of man.
Jn 1:49 Nathanael answered and saith unto him, Rabbi, thou art the Son of God; thou art the King of Israel.
50 Jesus answered and said unto him, Because I said unto thee, I saw thee under the fig tree, believest thou? thou shalt see greater things than these.
51 And he saith unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Hereafter ye shall see heaven open, and the angels of God ascending and descending upon the Son of man.
50 Jesus answered and said unto him, Because I said unto thee, I saw thee under the fig tree, believest thou? thou shalt see greater things than these.
51 And he saith unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Hereafter ye shall see heaven open, and the angels of God ascending and descending upon the Son of man.
matt 4:6 And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone.
7 Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.
8 Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them;
9 And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me.
10 Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.
so how can you ever hope to worship God?
No adoration
No temple
No altar
No ark
No priesthood
No propitiatory sacrifice
No gold censor with incense
No holy communion
you stick your hand in the air and say alleluia and think it’s worshiping!
if Jesus is not Divine then he cannot be Lord! Fir there is only one Lord! Deut 6:4
The father is Lord
The son is Lord
The spirit is Lord
But there are not three gods or three lords but one God and one Lord (nature) in three persons
There are many lords , but only One Lord God as Jesus said . Many people have a land lord. But that does not make them even though they may choose to worship them , people worship what they choose , that does not make it right . But I per personally think it’s Good to worship Jesus because he is worthy, and The Lord God has made Jesus and given him all things . Amen !
Jesus is Lord!
If Jesus is Lord but not God, not divine then there would be two Lords!
Deut. 6:4 Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord:
The mystery of the holy trinity!
The father is God!
The son is God!
The Holy Spirit is God!
But there are not three God’s but one God!
The father is Lord!
The son is Lord!
The Holy Spirit is Lord!
But there are not three Lords but one Lord!
If Jesus is Lord but not God, not divine then there would be two Lords!
Deut. 6:4 Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord:
The mystery of the holy trinity!
The father is God!
The son is God!
The Holy Spirit is God!
But there are not three God’s but one God!
The father is Lord!
The son is Lord!
The Holy Spirit is Lord!
But there are not three Lords but one Lord!
Ex 20:3-5
3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.
5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the Lordthy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
Only God may be worshipped!
Matthew 2:11
And when they were come into the house, they saw the young child with Mary his mother, and fell down, and worshipped him: and when they had opened their treasures, they presented unto him gifts; gold, and frankincense and myrrh.
Matthew 8:2
And, behold, there came a leper and worshipped him, saying, Lord, if thou wilt, thou canst make me clean.
Matthew 9:18
While he spake these things unto them, behold, there came a certain ruler, and worshipped him, saying, My daughter is even now dead: but come and lay thy hand upon her, and she shall live.
Matthew 14:33
Then they that were in the ship came and worshipped him, saying, Of a truth thou art the Son of God.
Matthew 15:25
Then came she and worshipped him, saying, Lord, help me.
John 9:38
And he said, Lord, I believe. And he worshipped him.
3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.
5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the Lordthy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
Only God may be worshipped!
Matthew 2:11
And when they were come into the house, they saw the young child with Mary his mother, and fell down, and worshipped him: and when they had opened their treasures, they presented unto him gifts; gold, and frankincense and myrrh.
Matthew 8:2
And, behold, there came a leper and worshipped him, saying, Lord, if thou wilt, thou canst make me clean.
Matthew 9:18
While he spake these things unto them, behold, there came a certain ruler, and worshipped him, saying, My daughter is even now dead: but come and lay thy hand upon her, and she shall live.
Matthew 14:33
Then they that were in the ship came and worshipped him, saying, Of a truth thou art the Son of God.
Matthew 15:25
Then came she and worshipped him, saying, Lord, help me.
John 9:38
And he said, Lord, I believe. And he worshipped him.
BeyondET
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I wasn't asking for someone else's opinion but I was asking you,
now again is there anything wrong with God's likeness and image of a man?
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