22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

[Phoneman777]

Jerusalem is the Whore Mystery Babylon The Great

The future, little horn, man of sin, the beast, hasnt been, nor will he be a Roman Catholic Pope

The reformers had it all wrong, but living under the persecution of Rome during their time on earth, it is fully understandable

While it's true one's spiritual perspective can be shaped by his surroundings, I assure you that is NOT the case with the Protestant Reformation. The prophetic timelines of Daniel and Revelation do not allow for the any other but the Papacy to be Antichrist, Whore of Revelation 17, etc.

Listen to the great Spurgeon:

"It is the bounden duty of every Christian to pray against Antichrist, and to what Antichrist is, NO SANE MAN OUGHT TO RAISE THE QUESTION. If it be not the popery in the CHURCH OF ROME, there is nothing in the world that can be called by that name."​

These men knew their Bibles when it came to eschatology, so why are you "raising the question"?

 

[Truth7t7]

Your poisonous anti-Semitic propaganda is not welcome.

Gen 12.3 I will bless those who bless you,
and whoever curses you I will curse.

Your claim that Truth7t7 is Antisemetic is 100% "False" in slander and defamation!

My Lord and Savior Jesus Christ walked in Jewish flesh upon this earth, the twelve apostles also walked this earth in Jewish flesh, whose name are written in the foundations of New Jerusalem, that will one day be my eternal home

Jesus Christ Is The Lord

 

[Phoneman777]

A reasonable question. Most people take it as a promise given to both Abraham and to those who share in his faith. That would, of course, include Israel, if they were really walking in the faith of Abraham. And it would also include Christians today who are walking their faith.

But yes, it is, first of all, being directed to Abraham, who is viewed as the father of our faith. Our faith is in Jesus, but God began making promises that are fulfilled in Christ with Abraham, the man of faith.

For a better understanding of how God's blessings work towards those who engage in Abraham's faith, look at the blessings and curses given to Israel and Mt. Gerazim and Mt. Ebal. There are blessings for obedience, but curses for disobedience. We must assume that the enemies who were to come against Israel would be punished, because it is said that obedient Israel would rout them.

But, that's the crux of the issue, right? Israel did NOT share in Abraham's faith:

Jews: "Abraham is our father".
Jesus: "Ye are of your father the DEVIL".

HOWEVER, WHO DOES THE BIBLE SAY HAS ABRAHAM AS THEIR FATHER?

"And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise" says Paul in Galatians 3.

So, the promise of "bless them that bless you" now belongs to the Christian church - not those who today occupy the ancient land of Israel - but the saints who are the true "seed of Abraham" and the "Israel of God"...who "walk according to this rule (of the New Creature in Christ Jesus)" says Paul in Galatians 6.

 

[Randy Kluth]

Your claim that Truth7t7 is Antisemetic is 100% "False" in slander and defamation!

My Lord and Savior Jesus Christ walked in Jewish flesh upon this earth, the twelve apostles also walked this earth in Jewish flesh, whose name are written in the foundations of New Jerusalem, that will one day be my eternal home

Jesus Christ Is The Lord

When you constantly harass someone as a "Zionist" you are clearly acting Anti-Semitic! You should apologize to Israel. Their enemies have always used the Zionist label in an Anti-Semitic way. If you don't know that, you need to learn that.

 

[Randy Kluth]

But, that's the crux of the issue, right? Israel did NOT share in Abraham's faith:

Jews: "Abraham is our father".
Jesus: "Ye are of your father the DEVIL".

Israel sometimes obeyed God, and sometimes they disobeyed God. To say that because at the time of Jesus they were in the midst of national apostasy they were always that way is not true. To say that because Israel historically had a hard time obeying God they were always evil and out of compliance with God's covenant is not true.

I hear this all the time, and clearly, you are judging the entire nation by those who failed. The entire nation did *not* always fail. They faithfully entered into Canaan and conquered their enemies. They hailed God as their one and only God. The fact they later failed in some parts of the nation did not mean all failed.

It was a process, one that ultimately does lead to national failure. But along the way, many acts of obedience take place. The story of the judges and the stories of the kings illustrate this.

 

[Truth7t7]

When you constantly harass someone as a "Zionist" you are clearly acting Anti-Semitic! You should apologize to Israel. Their enemies have always used the Zionist label in an Anti-Semitic way. If you don't know that, you need to learn that.

Should I apologize to Africa, Mexico, Russia, Germany, America, And Canada, tooooooo?

Big Smiles!

 

[Truth7t7]

When you constantly harass someone as a "Zionist" you are clearly acting Anti-Semitic! You should apologize to Israel. Their enemies have always used the Zionist label in an Anti-Semitic way. If you don't know that, you need to learn that.

It's my opinion you are a Zionist no harassment whatsoever as you falsely claim

Your claim that Truth7t7 is Antisemetic is 100% "False" in slander and defamation!

My Lord and Savior Jesus Christ walked in Jewish flesh upon this earth, the twelve apostles also walked this earth in Jewish flesh, whose name are written in the foundations of New Jerusalem, that will one day be my eternal home

Jesus Christ Is The Lord

 

[Phoneman777]

Your claim that Truth7t7 is Antisemetic is 100% "False" in slander and defamation!

My Lord and Savior Jesus Christ walked in Jewish flesh upon this earth, the twelve apostles also walked this earth in Jewish flesh, whose name are written in the foundations of New Jerusalem, that will one day be my eternal home

Jesus Christ Is The Lord

Semites are the most protected class in all the world, more so than blacks, gays, women, gender-confused people, child murder clinics, etc.

 

[Truth7t7]

Semites are the most protected class in all the world, more so than blacks, gays, women, gender-confused people, child murder clinics, etc.

I Agree, And Christian Zionism Is At This False Foundation

 

[Randy Kluth]

It's my opinion you are a Zionist no harassment whatsoever as you falsely claim

Your claim that Truth7t7 is Antisemetic is 100% "False" in slander and defamation!

My Lord and Savior Jesus Christ walked in Jewish flesh upon this earth, the twelve apostles also walked this earth in Jewish flesh, whose name are written in the foundations of New Jerusalem, that will one day be my eternal home

Jesus Christ Is The Lord

You're not only explicitly anti-Zionist, but you're poisonous, always trying to stir up those you disagree with. You are a poor example of a Christian.

 

[Randy Kluth]

Semites are the most protected class in all the world, more so than blacks, gays, women, gender-confused people, child murder clinics, etc.

Have you even read the history of the Jewish People? Have you no conscience, after the Holocaust, numerous Russian pogroms, the exile of Jews from Christian nations, etc.? And you call them "protected?"

What do you mean "Semites?" Are you now refusing to call them "Jewish People?" Sounds like they're not very protected from you?

 

[Truth7t7]

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Have you even read the history of the Jewish People? Have you no conscience, after the Holocaust, numerous Russian pogroms, the exile of Jews from Christian nations, etc.? And you call them "protected?"

What do you mean "Semites?" Are you now refusing to call them "Jewish People?" Sounds like they're not very protected from you?

I fully agree Jews have been persecuted throughout the world, Hitler's actions was atrocity to mention one

What does that have to do with the false claims that a "Nation Israel" is God's chosen based upon race and ethnic heritage, "Nothing"!

 

[CadyandZoe]

If a man has compelling Scripture I can. But you have nothing on this subject that teaches "that the temple sacrifices (among other religious practices) mark the people of God as Holy People." This is where your argument crumbles. We have countless Scripture that has been dismissed or ignored that forbids the continuation of such a worthless system. So, for many of us, your fight is with the scriptural text.

You are wrong about this because the Bible clearly teaches that if and when the Hebrews obey all of God's commandments, ordinances, and statues, this will mark them as his holy people as I demonstrated from the book of Deuteronomy. I can multiply other verses but this one should suffice.

Deuteronomy 29:8

The Lord will establish you as a holy people to Himself, as He swore to you, if you keep the commandments of the Lord your God and walk in His ways.​

 

[CadyandZoe]

There won't be a future Millennial Kingdom on this earth, let alone animal sacrifice renewed in it, false fairy tales of man

Jesus returns in fire and final judgement, dissolving this earth by fire (The End)

2 Peter 3:10KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

2 Thessalonians 1:7-8KJV
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:

Nahum 1:5KJV
5 The mountains quake at him, and the hills melt, and the earth is burned at his presence, yea, the world, and all that dwell therein.

These verses are speaking of a time after the Millennial Period.

 

[CadyandZoe]

Where did "Moses predicts that those [animal sacrifices] in the Millennial kingdom will obey the commandments of God"?

God commanded them to be sacrificed, therefore the temple service is among the commandments of God that Israel will keep.

 

[Randy Kluth]

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I fully agree Jews have been persecuted throughout the world, Hitler's actions was atrocity to mention one

What does that have to do with the false claims that a "Nation Israel" is God's chosen based upon race and ethnic heritage, "Nothing"!

I'm referring to your regular attack on me as being a "Zionist." I call that "Anti-Zionist," or the same, "Anti-Semitic." Only the ignorant would not know that anti-Zionism is anti-Israel. That's how the enemies of Israel depict it, as "Anti-Zionism." They hate Zionism!

I visited Israel and actually tried to sign up to work *for free* on a kibbutz, and was nearly accepted. There were extenuating circumstances, and I was turned down.

So, yes, you could say I'm a "Zionist." I like B. Netanyahu and hope he becomes president again. And I strongly believe the world should support the independence of the Jewish state, along with defensible borders.

I feel the same way about Ukraine and Taiwan. Some things are simply a matter of justice, and not anything to do with disputes over doctrine.

 

[CadyandZoe]

You are so blinded by what you have been taught that you fail to see this simple truth. Sadly, you deny the Christ was the final or sufficient sacrifice for sin. Jesus is indeed the final sacrifice for sin. Hello! Do you get that? Or are you so married to the old covenant that you cannot let it go?

I'm not falling for this goofy attitude.

 

[CadyandZoe]

I know your position has been strongly refuted here, but, please answer the question: is Ezekiel 40-48 historic or future in your millennium? Answering a question with a question is normally admission that you have nothing.

I am not going to answer until you admit that Ezekiel was not a false prophet. If you think he was a false prophet, then what good would it do for me to prove anything from that text? I see no events or situations, predicted by Ezekiel, that align with history. I believe that Ezekiel speaks truly. Therefore . . .?

 

[WPM]

Greetings Brakelite
An HOUR is coming when ALL IN THE GRAVE will hear one voice, - his voice and come forth.
Say no more.

It must be a loooooooong shout that they all respond to.

 

[CadyandZoe]

Do you believe Malachi and Nahum were false prophets?

Malachi 3:2KJV
2 But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap:

Nahum 1:5KJV
5 The mountains quake at him, and the hills melt, and the earth is burned at his presence, yea, the world, and all that dwell therein.

Both of these prophets speak truly in my opinion. I have not studied Nahum so I can't speak to that verse.

With regard to Malachi 3:2, he employs figurative language -- a refiner's fire -- to speak about the day of his coming. In Malachi 4, the fire is real fire, but in that context, the fire is limited to Palestine.