God LAUGHS at the trinity

[The Learner]

If you can post a verse from Scripture, a paragraph, or even a chapter that lays out this sentiment, then I will concede.

You didn't post anything to support it because it doesn't exist.

Jesus is God Almighty, and the Creator - and He is also the Holy Spirit as Romans 8:9-11, Luke 24:27 and John 14:21-23 make plain.

As well as many others.

Are you Jesus Only, Oneness Brother, friend.

 

[The Learner]

I believe the Bible, which is why i reject the false trinity doctrine of the trinity. Twisting pet passages out of context as "proof" doesn't prove it is biblical.

Read it, Study it
https://www.calvarychapelboston.com/Biblical Basis Trinity Bowman.pdf

 

[The Learner]

start at Saturday at 6:23 PM#22

 

[L.A.M.B.]

What God really LAUGHS at.......

Psalms 37:11-14 ( cxt )
Laughing @ The WICKED for his day is coming. Proverbs 1
Psalms 2:2-5 ( cxt)
Laughing @ those in power whom think they can come against the LORD.
Psalms 59:5-11 ( cxt)
Laughing @ The heathen & unbelievers who deny whom God is........

These are things in scripture he laughs about, NOT the silly WORDS man attaches to what he thinks God is about & what his Word says !

 

[GEN2REV]

The following quotes show that the doctrine of the Trinity was indeed alive-and-well before the Council of Nicea:

Polycarp (70-155/160). Bishop of Smyrna. Disciple of John the Apostle.

“O Lord God almighty . . . I bless you and glorify you through the eternal and heavenly high priest Jesus Christ, your beloved Son, through whom be glory to you, with Him and the Holy Spirit, both now and forever” (n. 14, ed. Funk; PG 5.1040).

Justin Martyr (100?-165?). He was a Christian apologist and martyr.

“For, in the name of God, the Father and Lord of the universe, and of our Savior Jesus Christ, and of the Holy Spirit, they then receive the washing with water” (First Apol., LXI).

Ignatius of Antioch (died 98/117). Bishop of Antioch. He wrote much in defense of Christianity.

“In Christ Jesus our Lord, by whom and with whom be glory and power to the Father with the Holy Spirit for ever” (n. 7; PG 5.988).
“We have also as a Physician the Lord our God Jesus the Christ the only-begotten Son and Word, before time began, but who afterwards became also man, of Mary the virgin. For ‘the Word was made flesh.’ Being incorporeal, He was in the body; being impassible, He was in a passable body; being immortal, He was in a mortal body; being life, He became subject to corruption, that He might free our souls from death and corruption, and heal them, and might restore them to health, when they were diseased with ungodliness and wicked lusts.” (Alexander Roberts and James Donaldson, eds., The ante-Nicene Fathers, Grand Rapids: Eerdmans, 1975 rpt., Vol. 1, p. 52, Ephesians 7.)

Irenaeus (115-190). As a boy he listened to Polycarp, the disciple of John. He became Bishop of Lyons.

“The Church, though dispersed throughout the whole world, even to the ends of the earth, has received from the apostles and their disciples this faith: . . . one God, the Father Almighty, Maker of heaven, and earth, and the sea, and all things that are in them; and in one Christ Jesus, the Son of God, who became incarnate for our salvation; and in the Holy Spirit, who proclaimed through the prophets the dispensations of God, and the advents, and the birth from a virgin, and the passion, and the resurrection from the dead, and the ascension into heaven in the flesh of the beloved Christ Jesus, our Lord, and His manifestation from heaven in the glory of the Father ‘to gather all things in one,’ and to raise up anew all flesh of the whole human race, in order that to Christ Jesus, our Lord, and God, and Savior, and King, according to the will of the invisible Father, ‘every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth, and that every tongue should confess; to him, and that He should execute just judgment towards all . . . ‘” (Against Heresies X.l)

Tertullian (160-215). African apologist and theologian. He wrote much in defense of Christianity.

“We define that there are two, the Father and the Son, and three with the Holy Spirit, and this number is made by the pattern of salvation . . . [which] brings about unity in trinity, interrelating the three, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. They are three, not in dignity, but in degree, not in substance but in form, not in power but in kind. They are of one substance and power, because there is one God from whom these degrees, forms and kinds devolve in the name of Father, Son and Holy Spirit.” (Adv. Prax. 23; PL 2.156-7).

Origen (185-254). Alexandrian theologian. Defended Christianity and wrote much about Christianity.

“If anyone would say that the Word of God or the Wisdom of God had a beginning, let him beware lest he direct his impiety rather against the unbegotten Father, since he denies that he was always Father, and that he has always begotten the Word, and that he always had wisdom in all previous times or ages or whatever can be imagined in priority . . . There can be no more ancient title of almighty God than that of Father, and it is through the Son that he is Father” (De Princ. 1.2.; PG 11.132).

“For if [the Holy Spirit were not eternally as He is, and had received knowledge at some time and then became the Holy Spirit] this were the case, the Holy Spirit would never be reckoned in the unity of the Trinity, i.e., along with the unchangeable Father and His Son, unless He had always been the Holy Spirit.” (Alexander Roberts and James Donaldson, eds., The Ante-Nicene Fathers, Grand Rapids: Eerdmans, 1975 rpt., Vol. 4, p. 253, de Principiis, 1.111.4)

“Moreover, nothing in the Trinity can be called greater or less, since the fountain of divinity alone contains all things by His word and reason, and by the Spirit of His mouth sanctifies all things which are worthy of sanctification . . . ” (Roberts and Donaldson, Ante-Nicene Fathers, Vol. 4, p. 255, de Principii., I. iii. 7).

Conclusion
If, as the anti-Trinitarians maintain, the Trinity is not a biblical doctrine and was never taught until the council of Nicea in 325, then why do these quotes exist? The answer is simple: the Trinity is a biblical doctrine, and it was taught before the council of Nicea in 325 A.D.
Early Trinitarian Quotes

With respect, extra-biblical material used as proof of Biblical concepts and doctrines, ... is not proof.

God protects His holy Word. External texts used to prove historical heresies are very easy to counterfeit. Just because somebody says "Here is a document, or a writing, from so-and-so!" doesn't prove anything at all legitimately.

In a court of law, using the Bible alone as the evidence, the trinity doctrine (and many others for that matter) would not stand a chance.

It is God's Word alone that has the power, and authority, to prove God's Word. And God didn't make any mistakes or leave anything necessary out. There are literally hundreds of verses that teach, and over-state, the concept of God being a single person.

There are zero that teach the concept of the trinity. Those who cannot see the weight of that evidence are simply deceived. And they are ... many.

God bless.

 

[GEN2REV]

Authority is Power, ask any Officer in the Military.

Wrong. Not in the case of Biblical reference.

If it was exactly the same thing, it would not have been changed.

You can delegate authority to a person to be in charge of 100 lower ranking people, but that person simply may not have the "power", the inner fortitude, to take control or to handle their responsibility assertively.

Power and authority are often mentioned together because they are not the same thing.

Jesus has ALL power in heaven and earth because He IS God Almighty. There is nobody above Him in name or Power and He has no equal.

 

[GEN2REV]

Are you Jesus Only, Oneness Brother, friend.

The Bible teaches Jesus is God Almighty and there is no other.

"... the only wise God our Savior (Jesus Christ) ..."
Jude 1:25 (KJV)

 

[GEN2REV]

Read it, Study it
https://www.calvarychapelboston.com/Biblical Basis Trinity Bowman.pdf

It appears this might be your problem ... and you're not alone.

Those who put extra-biblical sources over the sacred Scriptures are destined to be deceived.

The King James Bible is about as close as it gets today to unadulterated Truth.
Read it, Study it.

God will give discernment of anything therein that is not 100% accurate.

Throw out all your extra-biblical sources and go straight to The Source.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

There is your claim ... and where is your Scripture?

All you've ever needed is Scripture to flesh out your case and I will be converted.

I'm not biased against any doctrine if Scripture supports it. If God is 3, Hallelujah!

Until God's Word makes that case, my God is not 3 persons, but ONE person. Almighty God.

I have given them to you multiple times. If you haven't paid attention to them back there, why should I believe you would if I posted them again!

 

[Ronald Nolette]

There is your claim ... and where is your Scripture?

All you've ever needed is Scripture to flesh out your case and I will be converted.

I'm not biased against any doctrine if Scripture supports it. If God is 3, Hallelujah!

Until God's Word makes that case, my God is not 3 persons, but ONE person. Almighty God.

Okay< I will try one more time.

Timothy teaches that Jesus was God in human flesh!

Teh angel Gabriel in His annunciation called Jesus Emmanuel meaning God is with us. Not someone with god like qualities or a reflection of God, but God is with us.

Hebrews 1 tells us that Jesus is teh exact representation of God. that word in the Greek is charakter and that is a powerful word!

John one, John says Jesus is God

John 2 JOhn said jesus made Himself equal to God

The bible says the Father, Son, and Spirit and God raised Jesus from the dead!

Elohim (plural) said in Gen. 1 said let US , not I will make man in my image. We are made in the image of God, not the image of God and angels.

The Father is called Adonai, and th eSon is called Adonai! (plural)

Isaiah 44 Jesus is Yahweh of Hosts

Teh Father is called the first and Last, Jesus is called the first and Last! Both say it in Is. 44 and Jesus repeats it in REv. 1

Once again- this does not mean Jesus is HIs Father, but He is equally divine in nature as HIs Father also the Spirit as well.

In position, the Father is above the Son who is above the Spirit!

That is the bible- Hallelujah!

 

[Wrangler]

Jesus has ALL power in heaven and earth because He IS God Almighty. There is nobody above Him in name or Power and He has no equal.

Well, that is where you are wrong. Jesus said God is greater than he. So, I tend to believe Jesus over you.

And he does not have all power and authority because he is God. He was given this as a consequence, a reward for his finished work at the cross. Hebrews 1:5, 9. Who gave Jesus this authority?

Trinitarians invent a temporal scenario but Scripture undermines their schemes. I realize you do not identify as a trinitarian. So, I'll stop here and wait for you erudite answer to the question.

 

[GEN2REV]

Teh Father is called the first and Last, Jesus is called the first and Last! Both say it in Is. 44 and Jesus repeats it in REv. 1

Once again- this does not mean Jesus is HIs Father, but He is equally divine in nature as HIs Father also the Spirit as well.

In position, the Father is above the Son who is above the Spirit!

trinity is defined as 3 persons. 3 persons cannot have the exact same power, authority and rank. God says He shares His glory with nobody, that He is like nobody else and equal to nobody else.

That cannot mean that He is excluding the other two people of the trinity who do have names according to Matthew 28:19. If Jesus' (God's) Name is higher than any other name in existence, that would make Him highest - and if He has ALL power and authority, that leaves none for the other two persons.

Can you agree we have a problem here with what the Bible plainly states versus what the teachers of the trinity claim about its dynamics?

 

[GEN2REV]

And he does not have all power and authority because he is God. He was given this as a consequence, a reward for his finished work at the cross. Hebrews 1:5, 9. Who gave Jesus this authority?

We can talk about who gave it to Him after you admit what you just wrote.

If it was given to Him, that means He has it. ALL power and authority.

Where does that leave "The Father" in the power and authority department? If only HE is God, and Jesus is just a mortal man, how does that work from that point forward - which is where we stand today?

 

[Wrangler]

We can talk about who gave it to Him after you admit what you just wrote.

If it was given to Him, that means He has it. ALL power and authority.

Where does that leave "The Father" in the power and authority department? If only HE is God, and Jesus is just a mortal man, how does that work from that point forward - which is where we stand today?

I’m afraid not. First, it is important to realize who gave Jesus this power and authority.

It does not leave the trinitarian preferred ‘father’ anywhere since Scripture is explicit that the answer is God - in his unitarian nature.

Also, Scripture is explicit in making an exception for God regarding who is subject to Jesus’ authority. And there is only one reason for this exception; Jesus is not God.

 

[Behold]

Also, Scripture is explicit .

Jesus is the WORD. John 1
The Bible is the word of God.

The Bible is LIGHT FOR LIFE....

Jesus is "the Light of the Word" and He said, "I came to give you LIFE".

See it?

Look again.

1.) Jesus is the WORD ... John 1:14

2.) The Bible is the word of God.

3.) God spoke WORDS of Creation. "let there BE".....

4.) John 1:10 says that the world was made Through....."him".... who is the WORD.... This is Jesus, pre-incarnate, as "The WORD was God". in John 1
That's Jesus, before He became God wrapped in Human FLESH.


See it?
Its right there, Wrangler.
Trust the Bible.

 

[Enoch111]

Where does that leave "The Father" in the power and authority department? If only HE is God, and Jesus is just a mortal man, how does that work from that point forward - which is where we stand today?

All foolish questions. Paul says that Christians are not to entangle themselves in foolish questions.

 

[ScottA]

If it was given to Him, that means He has it. ALL power and authority.

Where does that leave "The Father" in the power and authority department? If only HE is God, and Jesus is just a mortal man, how does that work from that point forward - which is where we stand today?

I can answer that.

It is at that juncture that Jesus was returned to the full stature of God having become a man in lowly flesh. Jesus prayed to have again the Oneness and glory He once had--that things should be "on earth as it is in heaven", and He received it.

 

[The Learner]

The proper word there is power and it is very significant because it doesn't add up with the rest of Scripture as a whole in support of a trinity.

And after that verse you keep quoting, all of the Apostles went forth and baptized in the Name of Jesus Christ.

Hmm ... wonder why that was.

Should we believe that one errant verse by itself, within the 31,000 in Scripture, or should we believe the many records of baptism that came after that, performed with a totally different prescription?

Luke 4:14
And Jesus returned in the power of the Spirit into Galilee: and there went out a fame of him through all the region round about.
Luke 9:43
And they were all amazed at the mighty power of God. But while they wondered every one at all things which Jesus did, he said unto his disciples,
John 19:11
Jesus answered, Thou couldest have no power[authority] at all against me, except it were given thee from above: therefore he that delivered me unto thee hath the greater sin.
Acts 10:38
How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.
1 Corinthians 5:4
In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when ye are gathered together, and my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ,
2 Peter 1:16
For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty.

Matthew 1:18
The Birth of Jesus the Messiah
This is how the birth of Jesus the Messiah happened. His mother Mary was engaged to marry Joseph. But before they married, he learned that she was expecting a baby. (She was pregnant by the power of the Holy Spirit.)
Acts 1:8
But the Holy Spirit will come on you and give you power. You will be my witnesses. You will tell people everywhere about me—in Jerusalem, in the rest of Judea, in Samaria, and in every part of the world.”
Acts 2:4
They were all filled with the Holy Spirit, and they began to speak different languages. The Holy Spirit was giving them the power to do this.
Acts 10:38
You know about Jesus from Nazareth. God made him the Messiah by giving him the Holy Spirit and power. Jesus went everywhere doing good for people. He healed those who were ruled by the devil, showing that God was with him.
Romans 1:3-4
The Good News is about God’s Son, Jesus Christ our Lord. As a human, he was born from the family of David, but through the Holy Spirit he was shown to be God’s powerful Son when he was raised from death.
Romans 15:13
I pray that the God who gives hope will fill you with much joy and peace as you trust in him. Then you will have more and more hope, and it will flow out of you by the power of the Holy Spirit.
1 Thessalonians 1:5
When we brought the Good News to you, we came with more than words. We brought that Good News with power, with the Holy Spirit, and with the sure knowledge that it was true. Also you know how we lived when we were with you. We lived that way to help you.

 

[The Learner]

With respect, extra-biblical material used as proof of Biblical concepts and doctrines, ... is not proof.

God protects His holy Word. External texts used to prove historical heresies are very easy to counterfeit. Just because somebody says "Here is a document, or a writing, from so-and-so!" doesn't prove anything at all legitimately.

In a court of law, using the Bible alone as the evidence, the trinity doctrine (and many others for that matter) would not stand a chance.

It is God's Word alone that has the power, and authority, to prove God's Word. And God didn't make any mistakes or leave anything necessary out. There are literally hundreds of verses that teach, and over-state, the concept of God being a single person.

There are zero that teach the concept of the trinity. Those who cannot see the weight of that evidence are simply deceived. And they are ... many.

God bless.

The Early Fathers were taught by the Apostles and likely heard Jesus preach, teach.
They are Historical proof of what the early church believe and what they were taught.

 

[The Learner]

Wrong. Not in the case of Biblical reference.

If it was exactly the same thing, it would not have been changed.

You can delegate authority to a person to be in charge of 100 lower ranking people, but that person simply may not have the "power", the inner fortitude, to take control or to handle their responsibility assertively.

Power and authority are often mentioned together because they are not the same thing.

Jesus has ALL power in heaven and earth because He IS God Almighty. There is nobody above Him in name or Power and He has no equal.

LOL,
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authority
noun

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/əˈθɔːr.ə.t̬i/ UK

/ɔːˈθɒr.ə.ti/

authority noun (POWER)"
authority
Definition of AUTHORITY
Power versus Authority, Why the Difference Matters.

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the amount of political control a person or group has in a country:
Does the president have more power than the prime minister?
How long has the Republican Party been in power?
The army seized power after five days of anti-government demonstrations.
More examples
After eight years in power, the government can no longer use the previous government's policy as an alibi for its own failure.
Until the constitution is amended, the power to appoint ministers will remain with the president.
Fair trade, say Oxfam, is about giving poor people power.
The army took control of the city after the president's fall from power.
Most modern kings and queens rule only in a formal way, without real power.
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