Poll: Tattoo artist: if a Christian daughter/son of yours worked as one, would you be supportive?
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Yes, well, although in the early to mid 20th century tattooing was particularly identified with men - sailors, bikers -, yet — had you realized? — in the 19th century it was actually something that was regarded as rather lady-like and classy to do:
"Surprisingly, one of the major resurgences of interest in tattoos in Europe occurred among 19th century high society Victorian women (as well as men), after British explorers .. brought back the practice to Britain. .. grew during the 19th century, and even Winston Churchill’s mother had a tattoo .. on her wrist. Queen Victoria was also believed to have had a tattoo of a Bengal tiger.. . From Victorian Europe...to America. In 1897, (art critic, Margot) Miffin says that an estimated 75% of American society women were tattooed.."
(Black Fire: Women, Tattoos, and the Transformative Power of Body Art )
(I don't know if you had realized this?)
Their proven profusion —and the place and role of women in their profusion —undoubtedly makes for a very large scope for faith based tattoo deisgns.
Hi @Marilyn C
Heart2Soul said:
BluegrassRN said:
Paraphrasing the words of Heart2Soul, the soldier's
can maybe have its corollary among nurses as in something like:
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It's not of course directly related to acquiring a military or nurse's uniform (but it may in so many cases be closely related). When young ppl reach 18, many of them will sign up for military or nursing training, etc., and when fellow trainees ask the young man or young woman a really typical question:
I guess one can see how, since ink is so widespread, for some believers a Bible verse/faith based design may well seem to them (if not to everyone) to be a frequent testimony opportunity too good to miss.
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robert derrick
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The problem is many people mix the law of Christ with their own personal conscience, can causes unnecessary grievances.@robert derrick
There's nothing unusual today about a bit of ink work being given or received by women, confidently and quietly.
My wife and I talked to a young lady - who seemed rather modest and shy - who had received the wording of John 3.16 on her wrist area. It was her favorite Bible verse and mine also; and I'm sure for her it results in faith related conversations. (Such a young lady would likely even regard someone paying for a tattoo a fairly ideal Christmas or b-day gift.)
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Transgression of the law is according to the letter only, and is common for all. If it isn't written against, it isn't law.
Everything else is liberty of the law, and so becomes a matter of conscience. The problem is when people think their own conscience is law, and so judge others accordingly:
Conscience, I say, not thine own, but of the other: for why is my liberty judged of another man's conscience?
This is why overzealous Christians start getting into matter that ought pertain to law, and they don't know what they are talking about, and make a mess of things, and set Christians' teeth on edge and gnashing at one another:
Desiring to be teachers of the law; understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm. But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully.
thelord's_pearl
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No I didn't vote in the poll but no, I wouldn't be supportive bc I believe God likes you for how he made you so you shouldn't be sowing a tattoo into you. He didn't create us in this way. That's my say.
@thelord's_pearl Thanks for your post and comment!
It's rather widespread, anyway; FYI:
QueenCat said:
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I'm guessing that there are plenty of modest, Godly Christians who would basically remember with appreciation their visit to the tattoo parlor for the services of an artist, anyhow.
@robert derrick Your post reminds me of some comments made a while ago; if one believer happens to have a clear conscience about getting inked up with something faith related, then it's no one else's business; FYI:
Rita said:
@Marilyn C Do you know if your niece ever made any kind of Christian profession?
It may be the case, anyway, that quite a proportion of her clients asking for inking are Christians
Never thought of that. Will have to inquire with her father, my brother-in-law. Thanks.
@Marilyn C YW.
There actually seem to be rather a lot of relevant aspects to tattooing which are not always at first apparent; and those who are tattooed sometimes admit that it can be quite complex and with many aspects which to them are not clearly relevant or irrelevant, necessarily; Angelina, for instance, said:
@RLT63 Well...anyway it seems to be done now with such confidence and so widely among professing Christians and the most conservative of ppl.
It's hard to dispute the sheer, ongoing demand of the service, even in moderation among the most conservative.
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GodsGrace said: ↑
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So anyway there is no need for anyone to be surprised by it.
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Yeah we talk, lots of talent out here in So Cal with ink guns, 30%+ of the guys that work the boats are inked up with sea creatures
The Navy ship yard was located in Long Beach Ca, a long history of sailors getting inked up and the "Pike" amusement park was the place for "RR"
The Pike—Long Beach’s Contribution to Tattooing
posted by Elisha Belden
The late 1800s to the early 1900s was a time of rebirth for the practice of tattooing. Once reserved for servicemen or undesirables, the practice began to shift and waver, becoming something entirely unique from its previous time. Tattooing was slowly becoming something of a spectacle, a mainstream feature which was creeping from the depths into the forefront of society.
While tattooing was becoming more of an everyday practice during this time period, it definitely had a long road ahead of it before it would be fully welcomed with open arms. The Pike, located in Long Beach, California, was a pivotal point in the forward movement of the tattoo industry and is still carrying its name into the history books of the inked world as we speak.
Opened in 1902, The Pike was meant to be an all-inclusive entertainment center for Long Beach residents and tourists alike. The complex contained the pier, numerous food stands, and an amusement park. Mass crowds of families piled into the area every week, making it a well-known feature in the Cali area.
The Pike’s ambiance was very carnivalesque. Within close proximity to the local shipyards and multiple military bases, several arcades, sideshows, and bars began to crop up. The kitschy feel only intensified as numerous tattoo parlors began to hang their banners throughout The Pike. It didn’t take long before The Pike became the go-to place across the US to get inked. Not surprisingly, The Pike turned out some of the greatest tattoo artists of the era, including Bert Grimm, Bob Shaw, Lyle Tuttle, and Lee Roy Minugh.
Over the years, the popularity of getting tattooed at The Pike became legendary. Aspiring tattoo artists flocked to the area in hopes of being allowed the opportunity to sling their ink in one of the famed shops. Those looking for ink took to the area as it was recognized as being in the forefront of the industry—with some of the latest and greatest trends getting their start there.
One of the biggest draws for tattooers to set up shop at The Pike was the influx of military personnel that flooded the area twice a month. Tattoos and the military have had a love-love relationship for hundreds of years, so it is no surprise that The Pike, which was in such close proximity to multiple military and training bases, would bring them into the parlors in drove-like herds.
On military paydays, which were two weekends of the month, the servicemen would rush The Pike, eager to have anchors, flags, eagles, and other such flash etched into their skin permanently. For the tattoo artists of The Pike, these paydays were a whirlwind of madness like nothing they had ever seen before.
Business during these weekends was so bustling that many shops would refuse to close—for 72 straight hours, many tattooers would work around the clock, in order to meet the demands of the military weekend schedule. The majority of the pieces being applied were simple flash, with less and less detail work than the one before it. Many were applied in approximately 20 minutes with limited color, usually four colors or less.
The Pike led a good life, but as tattooing became more and more mainstream—moving into just about every street corner in every city—The Pike lost its vintage charm. It closed suddenly in 1979, however, one tattoo shop still stands, defying the odds. Famed tattooist Bert Grimm’s original shop, now named Outer Limits Tattoo, is still cranking. Thanks to artist Kari Barba, the shop was spared destruction along with The Pike, and now is home to many artists and a tattoo history museum.
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@Truth7t7Yeah we talk, lots of talent out here in So Cal with ink guns, 30%+ of the guys that work the boats are inked up with sea creatures
The Navy ship yard was located in Long Beach Ca, a long history of sailors getting inked up and the "Pike" amusement park was the place for "RR"
The Pike—Long Beach’s Contribution to Tattooing
posted by Elisha Belden
The late 1800s to the early 1900s was a time of rebirth for the practice of tattooing. Once reserved for servicemen or undesirables, the practice began to shift and waver, becoming something entirely unique from its previous time. Tattooing was slowly becoming something of a spectacle, a mainstream feature which was creeping from the depths into the forefront of society.
While tattooing was becoming more of an everyday practice during this time period, it definitely had a long road ahead of it before it would be fully welcomed with open arms. The Pike, located in Long Beach, California, was a pivotal point in the forward movement of the tattoo industry and is still carrying its name into the history books of the inked world as we speak.
Opened in 1902, The Pike was meant to be an all-inclusive entertainment center for Long Beach residents and tourists alike. The complex contained the pier, numerous food stands, and an amusement park. Mass crowds of families piled into the area every week, making it a well-known feature in the Cali area.
The Pike’s ambiance was very carnivalesque. Within close proximity to the local shipyards and multiple military bases, several arcades, sideshows, and bars began to crop up. The kitschy feel only intensified as numerous tattoo parlors began to hang their banners throughout The Pike. It didn’t take long before The Pike became the go-to place across the US to get inked. Not surprisingly, The Pike turned out some of the greatest tattoo artists of the era, including Bert Grimm, Bob Shaw, Lyle Tuttle, and Lee Roy Minugh.
Over the years, the popularity of getting tattooed at The Pike became legendary. Aspiring tattoo artists flocked to the area in hopes of being allowed the opportunity to sling their ink in one of the famed shops. Those looking for ink took to the area as it was recognized as being in the forefront of the industry—with some of the latest and greatest trends getting their start there.
One of the biggest draws for tattooers to set up shop at The Pike was the influx of military personnel that flooded the area twice a month. Tattoos and the military have had a love-love relationship for hundreds of years, so it is no surprise that The Pike, which was in such close proximity to multiple military and training bases, would bring them into the parlors in drove-like herds.
On military paydays, which were two weekends of the month, the servicemen would rush The Pike, eager to have anchors, flags, eagles, and other such flash etched into their skin permanently. For the tattoo artists of The Pike, these paydays were a whirlwind of madness like nothing they had ever seen before.
Business during these weekends was so bustling that many shops would refuse to close—for 72 straight hours, many tattooers would work around the clock, in order to meet the demands of the military weekend schedule. The majority of the pieces being applied were simple flash, with less and less detail work than the one before it. Many were applied in approximately 20 minutes with limited color, usually four colors or less.
The Pike led a good life, but as tattooing became more and more mainstream—moving into just about every street corner in every city—The Pike lost its vintage charm. It closed suddenly in 1979, however, one tattoo shop still stands, defying the odds. Famed tattooist Bert Grimm’s original shop, now named Outer Limits Tattoo, is still cranking. Thanks to artist Kari Barba, the shop was spared destruction along with The Pike, and now is home to many artists and a tattoo history museum.
Thanks for posting the article, which centres particularly on the navy/military background to tattooing in the early to mid 20th century.
Now it's become thoroughly mainstream, as the article also says. Some demographics seem to be especially closely identified with it. Military spouses, for example:
GillDouglas said:
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It's also what nurses do:
BluegrassRN said:
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In Bible Belt churches , this is what - at least anecdotally - pertains:
QueenCat said:
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As such, and especially because it has become so thoroughly mainstream, the exponential demand for the service arguably opens up huge opportunities for faith based designs which can be witness-friendly in conversation with ppl.
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@Truth7t7 PS: Seems like sailors getting tattoos is something that has relatively speaking now been left quite far behind.
As GodsGrace said:
This great expansion of inkings does of course open up huge scope for faith based tattoo designs which can be effective in witness conversations.
(cc @Marilyn C ; @Prim )
As GodsGrace said:
This great expansion of inkings does of course open up huge scope for faith based tattoo designs which can be effective in witness conversations.
(cc @Marilyn C ; @Prim )
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robert derrick
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True, even as it applies to meats and drinks, about which there is no more law of Christ, nor are men to make laws about them.
The doctrinal principle of Christ is simply moderation in all things:
All things are lawful unto me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought under the power of any.
Hi @GodsGrace So did your visiting friend ever tell you about how she finally felt "ready" for her tattoo...?It'll be interesting to have this discussion, but when she comes to visit in July.
If I can remember, I'll keep you posted...
@BeyondET So....has your mom ever wondered if you or your siblings might likewise get tattooed?
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