What benefit does it produce to make Jesus God

[Peterlag]

There is a huge " benefit" in believing that Jesus was God ---- you are going to be damned if you DON'T !

Do you have a verse to go along with that? Perhaps something clear and easy to read for such an important subject?

 

[Peterlag]

Yes, it states that a man must undo what the first Man ruined by introducing death into the equation. A legally born Man is what we needed to overcome the curse of Death. Adams sperm passes over this death curse to whoever is born, so we have a problem dont we.
There is one solution and one solution only. God had to become a man without the agency of fallen mans seed.
Mary consented and God himself was born a Man that never looked like sinning, taking the Keys of death away from the devil when he was murdered., Jesus gave up his life willingly for us...,nobody took it from him, he gave it up for you and me so we can have eternal life.
Hats off to the most brilliant of plans, the most extraordinary display of love imaginable

Do you have a verse to go along with that? Perhaps something like God became a man so he could die?

 

[Matthias]

It's Catholic

It’s also Protestant. A carryover.

 

[Peterlag]

John 10:17-18

John 10:17-18 is clearing speaking about Jesus and not God.

 

[Dropship]

In Jewish monotheism, the Son of God is God and yet is not God.
The Son of God is the new Moses.

The jews killed Jesus so their beliefs are flawed to say the least..
Anyway Jesus made it clear he wasn't Moses-
"..for he wrote about me" (John 5:46)

 

[Matthias]

The jews killed Jesus so their beliefs are flawed to say the least..
Anyway Jesus made it clear he wasn't Moses-
"..for he wrote about me" (John 5:46)

We all killed Jesus (himself a Jew) so our beliefs are flawed to say the least.

I’ve met people who believe Jesus is an Archangel but I’ve never met anyone who believed Jesus is literally Moses.

 

[Dropship]

We all killed Jesus (himself a Jew) so our beliefs are flawed to say the least.

I’ve met people who believe Jesus is an Archangel but I’ve never met anyone who believed Jesus is literally Moses.

1- I don't think we Christians would want to kill Jesus..
2- Jesus was born in Israel so that makes him a jew, but it didn't make him one of the snooty priestly jews who were a class apart-
"..just as I told the Jews, so I tell you now.." (John 13:33)

 

[Matthias]

1- I don't think we Christians would want to kill Jesus..
2- Jesus was born in Israel so that makes him a jew, but it didn't make him one of the snooty priestly jews who were a class apart-
"..just as I told the Jews, so I tell you now.." (John 13:33)

1. You / we should have thought about that before you / we committed sin.
2. Being born in Israel doesn’t make a person a Jew.

If you’re going to blame all Jews for the killing of Jesus then you’re going to have to blame Jesus, the disciples, the apostles, the earliest Christians.

If you’re going to say that the beliefs of all Jews are mistaken at the least then you’re going to have to say that the beliefs of Jesus, the disciples, the apostles and the earliest Christians are mistaken at the least.

And then there are the OT Jews. The prophets, the kings, the priests, the people.

And then there are the Gentiles, which your posts haven’t specifically addressed.

 

[Matthias]

The beliefs of the Jews about Jesus weren’t wrong. The beliefs of the majority of the Jews about Jesus was wrong. (To say nothing about the beliefs of the Gentiles about Jesus.)

 

[Dropship]

If you’re going to blame all Jews for the killing of Jesus then you’re going to have to blame Jesus, the disciples, the apostles, the earliest Christians...

..And then there are the Gentiles, which your posts haven’t specifically addressed.

Jesus said:-"You have one teacher, me" (Matt 23:10)
and many ordinary jews had no beef with him-
"And the common people heard him gladly" (Mark 12:37)
But the snooty jewish priestly classes didn't like him stealing their show, so they killed him.
As for Gentiles, if you mean the Romans, Pilate declared Jesus not guilty, but the priests talked him into ordering the execution-

Pilate said- “I find no basis for a charge against him.." (John 18:38)
The Jewish leaders insisted, “We have a law, and according to that law he must die, because he claimed to be the Son of God.” (Johnj 19:7)
"Pilate tried to set Jesus free, but the Jewish leaders kept shouting, “If you let this man go, you are no friend of Caesar. Anyone who claims to be a king opposes Caesar.”
Finally Pilate handed him over to them to be crucified, so the soldiers took charge of Jesus. " (John 19: 12-16)

 

[GEN2REV]

Even the devils asked him [Jesus] "why have you come".

Isn't it interesting that the devils never asked a single man-prophet prior why they had come?

Why do you suppose that is?

Scripture makes clear that the devils don't even know insignificant people, so why were they so well aware of who Christ was?

 

[GEN2REV]

God is all powerful and can do anything.

Yet you deny that He can take on a body of flesh, lead men to righteousness in that body of flesh, allow that body of flesh to die, raise it back up and retain it for His glory and the glory of all who would follow the ways of that flesh man.

Do you make a habit of contradicting yourself?

Is your doctrinal structure so compromised that it cannot stand on its own?

Is it a lying creature that is forever devouring itself like the ouroboros?

Yessssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss.

I believe it is.

 

[RLT63]

1. You / we should have thought about that before you / we committed sin.
2. Being born in Israel doesn’t make a person a Jew.

If you’re going to blame all Jews for the killing of Jesus then you’re going to have to blame Jesus, the disciples, the apostles, the earliest Christians.

If you’re going to say that the beliefs of all Jews are mistaken at the least then you’re going to have to say that the beliefs of Jesus, the disciples, the apostles and the earliest Christians are mistaken at the least.

And then there are the OT Jews. The prophets, the kings, the priests, the people.

And then there are the Gentiles, which your posts haven’t specifically addressed.

I'm just as responsible for killing Jesus as the Jewish leadership and the Romans in his day.

 

[GEN2REV]

We all killed Jesus

The Father killed Jesus.

As part of His Divine plan and will from before the world was.

We are certainly not responsible for His death as that would rob God of one of His greatest gifts; to die willingly, as our Holy Saviour, for our sins.

That is God's honor, not ours.

 

[Matthias]

The Father killed Jesus.

As part of His Divine plan and will from before the world was.

We are certainly not responsible for His death as that would rob God of one of His greatest gifts; to die willingly, as our Holy Saviour, for our sins.

That is God's honor, not ours.

Those who believe Jesus is the Father would then, apparently, believe Jesus killed himself.

Those who believe Jesus is not the Father but believe the Father killed Jesus would then, apparently, believe the Father killed his Son.

Trinitarians who believe the Trinity is one self would then, apparently, believe their deity killed himself.

Trinitarians who believe the Trinity is three selfs would then, apparently, believe one self of the Trinity killed another self of the Trinity.

 

[RLT63]

Those who believe Jesus is the Father would then, apparently, believe Jesus killed himself.

Those who believe Jesus is not the Father but believe the Father killed Jesus would then, apparently, believe the Father killed his Son.

Trinitarians who believe the Trinity is one self would then, apparently, believe their deity killed himself.

Trinitarians who believe the Trinity is three selfs would then, apparently, believe one self of the Trinity killed another self of the Trinity.

Isa 53:10
Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand.

 

[Matthias]

Isa 53:10
Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand.

See Tertullian, Against Marcion, Book 2 … one of the last chapters of the book.

Just curious. Why does the translation you quoted, whichever translation it is, not capitalize “him,” “he,” and “his”?

The one God - Yahweh - didn’t kill himself, and no one killed Yahweh.

 

[Matthias]

On the last discussion forum I was on before coming to this one, the most prominent / outspoken trinitarian insisted that “God was on a suicide mission and suffered eternal destruction.”

Trinitarians didn’t object and the forum owner (himself a trinitarian) promoted him to a moderator position.

 

[GEN2REV]

Those who believe Jesus is the Father would then, apparently, believe Jesus killed himself.

Those who believe Jesus is not the Father but believe the Father killed Jesus would then, apparently, believe the Father killed his Son.

Trinitarians who believe the Trinity is one self would then, apparently, believe their deity killed himself.

Trinitarians who believe the Trinity is three selfs would then, apparently, believe one self of the Trinity killed another self of the Trinity.

I'm not sure what the purpose of this post is.

You list 4 different beliefs, none of which are Biblical.

I could go on to list what Buddhists, Hinduists, etc. would make of the scenario as well.

What difference does it make? They're all wrong.

See Tertullian, Against Marcion, Book 2 … one of the last chapters of the book.

Just curious. Why does the translation you quoted, whichever translation it is, not capitalize “him,” “he,” and “his”?

The one God - Yahweh - didn’t kill himself, and no one killed Yahweh.

Correct, God cannot die. He is a spirit - John 4:24. His flesh body died as part of His plan to create the perfect flesh/human sacrifice for His will. Who raised His flesh body up, Matthias? I wonder if it was the same Individual who allowed it to die; whose plan it was for it to die.

Do you believe that God is omniscient, omnipotent and omnipresent?

Neither Tertullian, nor Marcion, matter in the least. That is extra-biblical content.

 

[Matthias]

I'm not sure what the purpose of this post is.

That's probably true.

You list 4 different beliefs, none of which are Biblical.

I could go on to list what Buddhists, Hinduists, etc. would make of the scenario as well.

What difference does it make? They're all wrong.

Correct, God cannot die. He is a spirit - John 4:24. His flesh body died as part of His plan to create the perfect flesh/human sacrifice for His will. Who raised His flesh body up, Matthias? I wonder if it was the same Individual who allowed it to die; whose plan it was for it to die.

Do you believe that God is omniscient, omnipotent and omnipresent?

Neither Tertullian, nor Marcion, matter in the least. That is extra-biblical content.