Stop blaming Satan, scripture for study

[MatthewG]

Well there are mysteries about what happened and so we can only speculate about the unknowns.

At least you are honest enough to admit it, thank you for taking time to share and talk here with me today. Perhaps others may come along and challenge the first post that was created here, Ronald. You have a good day.

 

[Waiting on him]

Oh that I would agree with. I believe that even unbelievers and believers are equal, because we are all human beings created by God.


Does that mean they have to go by your own theology to be correct in the mind of yourself though is the question? From me, I believe that my own understanding can be wrong sometimes, however when it comes down with sharing scriptures dealing with satan and his defeat still is effective in seeing that he was going to be defeated.

The choice though here, is do I believe that the Devil/Satan was done away with or not.

Would you say that is an individual's subjective decision to believe? But if they do not believe like you, they are deemed incorrect, even excommunicated?



Okay, but the question here on this Topic is about Satan and his defeat. Not about ministry.



Yes, I would agree, he doesn't love you more, than me, or me more than you, and those who seek him in faith are indeed rewarded.



You are calling me a cultist, but have no real bases for it.



Do I really teach lies? Or just something that goes against your own belief and understanding of the bible in seeing Jesus as the victor over all things already?

I love you either way, even if you do not believe Satan has been taken care of, If I was able to help you in anyway I wouldn't mind doing so all by the spirit of Christ with-in me.



You really are gonna have to stop throwing such accusations around like that, brother.
It's against the rules to bash other people.

The Flesh and Spirit fight each other - and God knows the entire history of both us, but loves us both equally, remember?


You can say what you want, but that denies the scripture uses that were used in the first place, dealing with the subject. So if you would like to say I am in opposition of Jesus Christ, and his fulfilment of things, I would say you really do not truly even understand my own position.



But the place Christians should be in hope for is the Heavenly Kingdom going to be with God, as this world still have it's problems no doubt, because of the darkness, which people love more than the light, but I dont believe the Devil has any merit today in 2022, and according to scripture he is done away with.

It seems like it is your perspective that "Even the worst Legalist on the Fourm, has the God given sense to realize that the DEVIL is alive and well and causing chaos as the world system."

That is totally fine that if your perspective is why you can still believe the Devil is around, and of course you know I believe he was defeated, and will always love you either way.




It's simply a matter of perspective.

Thank you for taking time to comment.

Why is it God compels you to love idiots?

 

[JunChosen]

STOP BLAMING SATAN, SCRIPYURE FOR STUDY

Consider the Scripture references below:

Ephesians Chapter 6 to end:
10) Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might.
11) Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.
12) For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high [places].
13) Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.
14) Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness;

1 Peter 5:8 reads:
"Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour."

Revelation 20:1-3 reads:
1) And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2) And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years, [ Satan as seen as the dragon, serpent, and Devil].
3) And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

According to the Scriptures written above, our adversary is none other than Satan himself.

To God Be The Glory

 

[MatthewG]

Why is it God compels you to love idiots?

Because I am one myself.

 

[MatthewG]

STOP BLAMING SATAN, SCRIPYURE FOR STUDY

Consider the Scripture references below:

Ephesians Chapter 6 to end:
10) Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might.
11) Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.
12) For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high [places].
13) Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.
14) Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness;

1 Peter 5:8 reads:
"Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour."

Revelation 20:1-3 reads:
1) And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2) And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years, [ Satan as seen as the dragon, serpent, and Devil].
3) And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

According to the Scriptures written above, our adversary is none other than Satan himself.

To God Be The Glory

Have you taken a look at James in the past month?

 

[MatthewG]

STOP BLAMING SATAN, SCRIPYURE FOR STUDY

Consider the Scripture references below:

Ephesians Chapter 6 to end:
10) Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might.
11) Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.
12) For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high [places].
13) Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.
14) Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness;

1 Peter 5:8 reads:
"Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour."

Revelation 20:1-3 reads:
1) And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2) And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years, [ Satan as seen as the dragon, serpent, and Devil].
3) And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

According to the Scriptures written above, our adversary is none other than Satan himself.

To God Be The Glory

Yes those are letters to groups of people back in that day in Age, yes Satan was around until he finally was done away with in revelation 20:10: doesn’t mean those scriptures can’t help a person today spiritually.

 

[JunChosen]

Have you taken a look at James in the past month?

Chapter and verse, please. I'm not a mind reader.

What points are you trying to convey?

 

[JunChosen]

Yes those are letters to groups of people back in that day in Age,

Do you really understand what you have just said? Are you saying that the letters and epistles sent to different churches at the beginning of the first century were abrogated, really? It's a wonder many in these forums questions your knowledge of the Scripture.

I was never in the churches of Rome, Ephesus, Corinth, etc..."Does this mean that the letters that were sent to these churches and others, are NOT for me or for the modern day Christian?"

In that case, we do not have a Bible to trust for our spiritual wellness, because we were NEVER in those churches!! and therefore the modern day Christian is lost.

Do you see the dilemma you are bringing? Do you understand now why many in these forums say that your theology is very much in question?

yes Satan was around until he finally was done away with in revelation 20:10: doesn’t mean those scriptures can’t help a person today spiritually.

I beg to differ. Satan was vanquished at the cross [see, Matt.12:29]. And, after a thousand years he was allowed to roam the world once again until he is judged on Judgment day!

To God Be The Glory

 

[MatthewG]

the Bible is useful if you use it context and learn and understand eschatology. It’s still useful if you don’t.

 

[MatthewG]

Chapter and verse, please. I'm not a mind reader.

What points are you trying to convey?

Just read it.

 

[MatthewG]

Many or most forgot that the Bible was never written to us. Though it’s a wonderful gift that Gid has allowed us to have. There is context and story about real people and real struggle. So don’t get it twisted the Bible is helpful to our spiritual growth and faith comes by hearing the word of God, but don’t forget about those real live breathing people in that day who suffered persecution and death.

 

[Phoneman777]

Many people place blame on Satan but if you come truly come to realization the Bible is true in his defeat the quicker you will be free in truth to walk in Christ.

The reason people DO NOT walk in Christ has nothing to do with whether they acknowledge Satan is defeated - it's because THEY PREFER TO WALK IN SIN....BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT CONVERTED. All to whom this wretched reality pertains need only to kneel and ask Jesus to come into their heart, then pray for power to resist the temptation to stray from their walk with Jesus which they've begun on their knees.

Really, it's not rocket science. It's simple human nature to want to please the one you love, and the reason why so many "Christians" struggle to do God's will is simply this: they went down into the water dry pagans and came up out of the water wet pagans, as filled with enmity for God as before.

"REPENT, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost."

 

[MatthewG]

The reason people DO NOT walk in Christ has nothing to do with whether they acknowledge Satan is defeated - it's because THEY PREFER TO WALK IN SIN....BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT CONVERTED.

All to whom this wretched reality pertains need only to kneel and ask Jesus to come into their heart, then pray for power to resist the temptation to stray from their walk with Jesus which they've begun on their knees.

Hey thank you for your input.

 

[Phoneman777]

Hey thank you for your input.

You're welcome. Hopefully, someone who's failing to walk in Christ will come to know why - that they're not saved - and in repentance ask God to change them and give them what's missing in their lives: "agape" love for God and our fellow man, likewise.

 

[Waiting on him]

was never in the churches of Rome, Ephesus, Corinth, etc..."Does this mean that the letters that were sent to these churches and others, are NOT for me or for the modern day Christian?"

Precisely!

This is why so many call Church people hypocrites, the word actually means an actor.

I myself call them LARPERS, live action role players.

 

[JunChosen]

You're welcome. Hopefully, someone who's failing to walk in Christ will come to know why - that they're not saved - and in repentance ask God to change them and give them what's missing in their lives: "agape" love for God and our fellow man, likewise.

As a preferred reference only, I like to tell an unsaved man about the story of the Pharisee and the publican in Luke 18:10-14(a) which reads
10 Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican.
11 The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men [are], extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.
12 I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.
13 And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as [his] eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.
14 I tell you, this man went down to his house justified...

Concerning Peter's declaration of love three times for Jesus - John 2:15-17:
15 So when they had dined, Jesus saith to Simon Peter, Simon, [son] of Jonas, lovest [agape] thou me more than these? He saith unto him, Yea, Lord; thou knowest that I love [phileo], thee. He saith unto him, Feed my lambs.
16 He saith to him again the second time, Simon, [son] of Jonas, lovest [agape] thou me? He saith unto him, Yea, Lord; thou knowest that I love [phileo] thee. He saith unto him, Feed my sheep.
17 He saith unto him the third time, Simon, [son] of Jonas, lovest thou me? Peter was grieved because he said unto him the third time, Lovest thou me? And he said unto him, Lord, thou knowest all things; thou knowest that I love thee. Jesus saith unto him, Feed my sheep.

Precisely!

This is why so many call Church people hypocrites, the word actually means an actor.

I myself call them LARPERS, live action role players.

LOL, without really knowing it, you hit the nail on the head precisely!

Yes, it's true! We are all players/actors in this world playing out the outcome of what has been ordained by God from eternity past and before the foundation of the world. Some to the resurrection of life and some to eternal damnation.

To God Be The Glory

 

[Two-Edged Sword]

I agree that many Christians often blame Satan for what is actually there own wickedness of heart and for that problems/troubles that are just part of life.
I didn't read through all the responses so don't all that's been addressed, but the New Testament believers are directed to watch against Satan, so the devil is active in the world, referred to as "god of this world" in 2 Corinthians 4:4, and the "whole world lieth in wickedness" because of the "wicked one" 1 John 5:18 & 19

For example:

Ephesians 6:11 we are directed to "Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil."​

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1 Peter 5:8 states to "Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:"​

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1 Corinthians 7:5 directs husbands and wives to maintain relations to avoid temptation to fornicate "that Satan tempt you not for your incontinency."​

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In Acts 5:3 Peter stated that Satan caused a church members to lie: "But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land?"​

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And what I consider the root of liberal Christianity that dominates today: 2 Corinthians 11:14 "And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light."​

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As for "bad" things that happen in a true Christian's life, we don't need to worry about them at all. Romans 8:28 tells us "we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose" so even our worst tragedies are somehow making us a better, even if it's forcing us to crumble and rely more on God.

 

[MatthewG]

Have you ever read James @Two-Edged Sword?

 

[MatthewG]

Consider this reader,

Many people in this world still believe Satan is alive and active today. If you would simply ask yourself, who, what, when, why, where, how, in the addressing of scripture your mind may open to new information.

Think about this, when Paul encouraged Timothy to publicly read scripture in 1 Timothy. Did you know this notion of scripture is not the New Testament?

It was in reference to the Old Testament canon that he was to teach, not the the New Testament.

As this for an example through out scripture the talk about the defeat of Satan is found in the context as you read along, ever since the beginning of GENESIS.

Now this is the scripture pertaining to the defeat of Satan,

Genesis 3:15
Luke 4:13
John 12:30
John 12:31
John 14:30
2 Thessalonians 2:8
Hebrews 2:14
1 John 3:8
Revelation 20:10

Done and defeated, away from ever reigning over the earth again.

With this what still exists? The same thing that tempted the fallen Angel when he made the free Will choice to deny God…

What is that? Darkness.

Darkness existed before light was created. God was in the midst of the darkness, the earth was yet to be created and the hilt spirit hovering above the waters.

Many people place blame on Satan but if you come truly come to realization the Bible is true in his defeat the quicker you will be free in truth to walk in Christ.

The only thing we battle against is our own temptations that come from our own mind/heart even flesh James 1:13-14.

Every single person is responsible for themselves in their own choices. There is no blaming Satan anymore. It’s pointing the finger at your own self in the mirror.

Coming to the reality that you are imperfect and have problems and are in need of a savior and the grace of God and the Lord Jesus Christ come into your life the more you all them to and the Holy Spirit is what is active as you live in this life…

The darkness yes all of us wrestle it, our heart - soul (mind/will/emotion) is filled with darkness until you open the door and allow Jesus to light up a fire to clear that darkness out, he will hold it back for you and give you a more fulfilling spiritual life.

In love,
Matthew Gallagher
(An imperfect human being, saved by the grace of God in faith of the Lord Jesus Christ who died, buried, and raised again).

 

[Two-Edged Sword]

Have you ever read James @Two-Edged Sword?

Which part? - James 4:7 "Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you." ?