It's not Idolatry to worship the image of God, which is what Jesus is.
What? But you said that is what we are? Is it OK to worship man?
He is more than an image. He is God.
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It's not Idolatry to worship the image of God, which is what Jesus is.
I can tell by your answers that your knowledge of the subject is surface level. You repeat what you have read, but don't understand it and you don't know the implications of what you read. This is why, when I post a rebuttal, you have no more argument. You don't understand the doctrine which you wield like a sword too heavy for you to lift.What? But you said that is what we are? Is it OK to worship man?
He is more than an image. He is God.
I can tell by your answers that your knowledge of the subject is surface level. You repeat what you have read, but don't understand it and you don't know the implications of what you read. This is why, when I post a rebuttal, you have no more argument. You don't understand the doctrine which you wield like a sword too heavy for you to lift.
I can tell by your answers that your knowledge of the subject is surface level. You repeat what you have read, but don't understand it and you don't know the implications of what you read. This is why, when I post a rebuttal, you have no more argument. You don't understand the doctrine which you wield like a sword too heavy for you to lift.
The concept "fully human and fully God" is a contradiction and it is meaningless. It's like saying "fully white and fully black." Fully human is the exact opposite as fully God.
Jesus is God, he is not Deity. There is a distinction, which centers on the difference between "what" Jesus is and "who" Jesus is. With respect to the "what" of Jesus, he is a man. With respect to the "who" of Jesus, he is God. Those who wrote the creeds confused the two.
Is it OK to worship man?
Since you agree Jesus' kingdom is not of this world, then in the future at the 7th Trumpet the earthly kingdoms will be? You as an Amil claim all of creation is currently a kingdom of Christ. Is that not getting ahead of the point, and failing to see the 1,000 years is when all of creation is part of that kingdom?Jesus, whilst speaking to Pilate shortly before His death, declared, “My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence. Pilate therefore said unto him, Art thou a king then? Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice” (John 18:36-37).
A son of God is the fulness of God on earth. That is what an image is. I think the point here is, was Jesus fully of Adam's dead corruptible flesh. That would be no. Jesus was fully both human and God quite easily. A human on earth cannot be God, but can be the full image of God. Jesus being God was God as a human. The reverse cannot be true. A human can never be more than an image.The concept "fully human and fully God" is a contradiction and it is meaningless. It's like saying "fully white and fully black." Fully human is the exact opposite as fully God.
What Did I avoid? I answered your questions but you didn't like or appreciate the answer.Is it OK to worship man? Stop avoiding.
Whether a statement is contradictory or not isn't a matter of subjective opinion. To say that 2+2=4 is to deny that 2+2=5 (or some other value.) You know what a contradiction is; I don't need to explain it to you. But for some reason, which I can't explain, you feel comfortable affirming that Jesus is human but also not human.Of course, it is a contradiction and meaningless to YOU!
You must be speaking hypothetically because you can't possibly know whether or not I actually have a savior. Let's keep this discussion focused on the general case, rather than getting personal.Since you have no Savior, you are of the world and have not the Spirit to enlighten your biblical understanding. Apart from the Spirit of truth in you, whom the world without the Savior cannot receive, you cannot understand, nor can you know Him.
I don't agree with your interpretation. Jesus spoke of denial but he never said or suggested that one must confess that he is of the same essence as the Father. His concern was his kinsmen who refused to believe that HE was the one of whom the prophets spoke concerning a coming messiah. To deny that Jesus is that coming one is to remain in danger of condemnation. Even Peter, who denied Jesus three times was forgiven. Jesus, like the Father, was not quick to condemn or judge a person.But you are the one without the Spirit of truth to teach you these things of God, because you deny the deity of Christ, you have no Savior. Those who wrote the creeds were not confused, YOU ARE! You appear to have head knowledge without heart knowledge, really sad!
Right. Jesus is fully human, and among human beings, he is uniquely the one who fully represents God to us. Jesus shares all of the divine attributes of God that are possible to be expressed humanly, such as his love of truth, righteousness, goodness, justice, mercy, patience, faithfulness, and constancy. Thus, when Philip asked Jesus, "show us the Father" Jesus responded, "Have I been so long with you, and yet you have not come to know Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; how can you say, ‘Show us the Father’?A son of God is the fulness of God on earth. That is what an image is. I think the point here is, was Jesus fully of Adam's dead corruptible flesh. That would be no. Jesus was fully both human and God quite easily. A human on earth cannot be God, but can be the full image of God. Jesus being God was God as a human. The reverse cannot be true. A human can never be more than an image.
What Jesus was, was not the contrast of fully white and fully black. Not the correct contrast.
A human can go from fully black to fully white. But Jesus was never the black, because a son of God was not created as a contrast to God, but literally an image of God on earth. Adam disobeyed, and plunged humanity into the black, and now there is a contrast. Jesus was not born into Adam's image.
Jesus was born into God's image. Yes, there is a difference. Jesus was more human than any human after the Flood could be. The soul is the only part of humanity that actually starts as the image of God, until the flesh corrupts the soul, and the soul needs the Holy Spirit to be restored.
I don't agree with your interpretation. Jesus spoke of denial but he never said or suggested that one must confess that he is of the same essence as the Father. His concern was his kinsmen who refused to believe that HE was the one of whom the prophets spoke concerning a coming messiah. To deny that Jesus is that coming one is to remain in danger of condemnation. Even Peter, who denied Jesus three times was forgiven. Jesus, like the Father, was not quick to condemn or judge a person.
The question on everyone's mind back then was "who is the Christ?" John 1:19-21 Jesus confessed that he is, indeed, the Christ. Luke 22:66-71. Mark 14:60-62 John writes his gospel, he says, so that everyone might know for certain that Jesus is the Christ. John 20:31
It was never a question of essence; it was always a question of rank and status. Was Jesus the Christ, the anointed king of Israel or not? Those who denied that Jesus was the Christ were anathema.
Whether a statement is contradictory or not isn't a matter of subjective opinion. To say that 2+2=4 is to deny that 2+2=5 (or some other value.) You know what a contradiction is; I don't need to explain it to you. But for some reason, which I can't explain, you feel comfortable affirming that Jesus is human but also not human.
You must be speaking hypothetically because you can't possibly know whether or not I actually have a savior. Let's keep this discussion focused on the general case, rather than getting personal.
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Apollo, Mercuryrewarding them with eternal bliss, and then bringing them back
lolIt is my deepest desire to make you see the folly of your doctrine.