Instruction in righteousness

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stunnedbygrace

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That's your assumption, and you are incorrect re "anything of the Spirit/spirit is out of context to me"

I said: Show me, in Scriptures, where the sinful nature is somehow "surgically removed, cut out" out of the believer.

The one quoting scripture out of context is you sister

Heb_4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

What has this verse to do with my question to you?
You browbeating me isn’t going to change that I see it and you don’t...you can just write me off as nuts until such time that you see it. Or if you never see it, you can just write me off as nuts until one or both of us die. :)
 

Mr E

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If you had the fear of the Lord you would not attack me so.

Red Flag.

Out of bounds. Not your business.

It's you I have no fear of. I hope you can understand that and see the difference. Maybe you are blind (as well as deaf) to how that comes across. You wouldn't tolerate it from others. It smacks of self-importance and self-appointed authority.

Worry 'bout yourself.
 
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You browbeating me isn’t going to change that I see it and you don’t...you can just write me off as nuts until such time that you see it. Or if you never see it, you can just write me off as nuts until one or both of us die. :)
Browbeating?
Just asked you a simple question, what you "see" and what I see is not the same, correct there.
 

Mr E

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I'm sorry-- I didn't intend to turn this into a 'Tozer said' -thread.

I haven't looked, but it would surprise me if you could find any quote where he was bragging about walking a higher path than those around him. I recall him saying something about how 'we can be right with God, and free to not like the way some people behave' -I actually love that. He points out that we are all flawed and subject to the flesh as long as we are in it. This requires us to love one another in a comprehensive way, if not a comfortable one.
 
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I'm sorry-- I didn't intend to turn this into a 'Tozer said' -thread.

I haven't looked, but it would surprise me if you could find any quote where he was bragging about walking a higher path than those around him. I recall him saying something about how 'we can be right with God, and free to not like the way some people behave' -I actually love that. He points out that we are all flawed and subject to the flesh as long as we are in it. This requires us to love one another in a comprehensive way, if not a comfortable one.
Nothing wrong with this.
I enjoy the part that we are all flawed and subject to the flesh as long as we are in it.
Some, however are bragging on the higher path than those around them, having reached sinless perfection in this life....
But enough said.
 
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Nothing wrong with this.
I enjoy the part that we are all flawed and subject to the flesh as long as we are in it.
Some, however are bragging on the higher path than those around them, having reached sinless perfection in this life....
But enough said.
Nothing wrong with this.
I enjoy the part that we are all flawed and subject to the flesh as long as we are in it.
Some, however are bragging on the higher path than those around them, having reached sinless perfection in this life....
But enough said.
I recall him saying something about how 'we can be right with God, and free to not like the way some people behave'

True, I don't like stupidity.
 
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It’s sort of…beautiful, it’s a true poetic justice, that we are to care for these husbandless and fatherless and that some of them will be welcomed in for a small kindness to the covered while the ones who were full in this life but refused to show mercy to these orphans and widows will go into the outer darkness.

I still have suspicion the outer darkness is only for the thousand years though. I’m very stubborn in that I guess.
Interesting thought. What leads you to think this about the outer darkness?
Being one thousand years, same amount of time as Christs Millennial rule on the New Earth from The New Jerusalem, could the outer darkness be yet another of the shadows of say, Abrahams bosom? A holding place maybe until judgement day?

Or could these be those who:
"Then you must throw this man out and hand him over to Satan so that his sinful nature will be destroyed and he himself will be saved on the day the Lord returns."
1 Cor. 5:5

It's a tough nut to crack!

 
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When the spies returned from Canaan most had an evil report. The ones who had a good report (good news) were set upon...they were hated to the point where they could have been killed for their faith in the power of God to take the land.

Num. 14:6 And Joshua the son of Nun, and Caleb the son of Jephunneh, which were of them that searched the land, rent their clothes:
7 And they spake unto all the company of the children of Israel, saying, The land, which we passed through to search it, is an exceeding good land.
8 If the Lord delight in us, then he will bring us into this land, and give it us; a land which floweth with milk and honey.
9 Only rebel not ye against the Lord, neither fear ye the people of the land; for they are bread for us: their defence is departed from them, and the Lord is with us: fear them not.
10 But all the congregation bade stone them with stones. And the glory of the Lord appeared in the tabernacle of the congregation before all the children of Israel.


Notice the reaction in the flesh to the faith in God to conquer the land. The flesh hasn't changed at all. Now, the flesh reacts against the power of grace to conquer the flesh and enter into the kingdom walk. There is an exact parallel between the OT and the NT. Those who preach the power of the cross and the power of grace are hated and accused of pride...whereas it is the pride of the fallen nature in the accusers that is offended.

God will translate those who please Him with their faith into the higher walk in Zion...where we abide in Christ by God's keeping power of grace. Walking in the Spirit IS the prophetic equivalent in the NT and the fulfillment of possession of the Promised Land in the OT.
 

stunnedbygrace

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Actually there is no outer darkness until the next age...and Jude does so that it is forever.
Yeah, Jude does sort of say that. He also calls the men doubly dead.

For the first part of what you say, I need to go and look something up actually.