Is There Any Hope for the Unsaved Dead?

[RR144]

Not only the living will benefit in the Millennium and have an opportunity for the earthly salvation. Paul speaks of "God our Savior, whose will it is that all men should find salvation and come to know the truth." Those who died without this knowledge must therefore be awakened from the dead if they are to get it. All of us have relatives and friends who died without being "saved", in the sense that they did not exercise faith in Jesus as their Savior and gain the heavenly inheritance. From the broader standpoint we realize that most of earth's millions since the creation of man never even heard of Jesus, and would appear to be lost forever, since "Salvation is to be found through him alone; in all the world there is no one else whom God has given who can save us" (Acts 4:12). Many Christians have been taught that all opportunity for attaining eternal life is limited strictly to the present life, which logically implies that the redeeming work of Jesus was a failure, since the vast majority of mankind would then be lost. The Bible does not support this dismal conclusion.

The ransom paid by Jesus guarantees release from Adamic death for every one of the human race. "As in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive." It may seem incredible that the dead will live again, but with God, all things are possible. Jesus said, "Don't be so surprised! Indeed the time is coming when the dead in their graves shall hear the voice of God's son, and shall rise again" (John 5:28,29). The implications of the awakening of the dead are immense, but abundant Bible testimony can be found as to God's plan to restore the human family, and the great adventure is soon to begin.

 

[Enoch111]

The ransom paid by Jesus guarantees release from Adamic death for every one of the human race.

You are misinterpreting and misapplying Scripture. So you should not be using the handle "Berean".

 

[Taken]

Hope for unsaved dead?

No.

 

[Taken]

Not only the living will benefit in the Millennium and have an opportunity for the earthly salvation. Paul speaks of "God our Savior, whose will it is that all men should find salvation and come to know the truth." Those who died without this knowledge must therefore be awakened from the dead if they are to get it. All of us have relatives and friends who died without being "saved", in the sense that they did not exercise faith in Jesus as their Savior and gain the heavenly inheritance. From the broader standpoint we realize that most of earth's millions since the creation of man never even heard of Jesus, and would appear to be lost forever, since "Salvation is to be found through him alone; in all the world there is no one else whom God has given who can save us" (Acts 4:12). Many Christians have been taught that all opportunity for attaining eternal life is limited strictly to the present life, which logically implies that the redeeming work of Jesus was a failure, since the vast majority of mankind would then be lost. The Bible does not support this dismal conclusion.

The ransom paid by Jesus guarantees release from Adamic death for every one of the human race. "As in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive." It may seem incredible that the dead will live again, but with God, all things are possible. Jesus said, "Don't be so surprised! Indeed the time is coming when the dead in their graves shall hear the voice of God's son, and shall rise again" (John 5:28,29). The implications of the awakening of the dead are immense, but abundant Bible testimony can be found as to God's plan to restore the human family, and the great adventure is soon to begin.

No.

Saving a man without the mans consent IS Force, without Freewill election.
Saving a man According to Gods Order and Way, requires the mans Freewill election....consent.

Not a mystery; bodily Dead men, know, speak, feel nothing.
A dead body can not, declare their belief and consent to Become Made Saved.

In Brief....they missed their opportunity while alive in their Body.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Not only the living will benefit in the Millennium and have an opportunity for the earthly salvation. Paul speaks of "God our Savior, whose will it is that all men should find salvation and come to know the truth." Those who died without this knowledge must therefore be awakened from the dead if they are to get it. All of us have relatives and friends who died without being "saved", in the sense that they did not exercise faith in Jesus as their Savior and gain the heavenly inheritance. From the broader standpoint we realize that most of earth's millions since the creation of man never even heard of Jesus, and would appear to be lost forever, since "Salvation is to be found through him alone; in all the world there is no one else whom God has given who can save us" (Acts 4:12). Many Christians have been taught that all opportunity for attaining eternal life is limited strictly to the present life, which logically implies that the redeeming work of Jesus was a failure, since the vast majority of mankind would then be lost. The Bible does not support this dismal conclusion.

The ransom paid by Jesus guarantees release from Adamic death for every one of the human race. "As in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive." It may seem incredible that the dead will live again, but with God, all things are possible. Jesus said, "Don't be so surprised! Indeed the time is coming when the dead in their graves shall hear the voice of God's son, and shall rise again" (John 5:28,29). The implications of the awakening of the dead are immense, but abundant Bible testimony can be found as to God's plan to restore the human family, and the great adventure is soon to begin.

The answer is NONE!

As it is written:

Hebrews 9:27
And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

Death settles where we spend eternity.

 

[RR144]

You are misinterpreting and misapplying Scripture. So you should not be using the handle "Berean".

Why don't you enlighten me with scripture and reason.

 

[RR144]

Hope for unsaved dead?

No.

It's easy to say "no", but what is your scriptural support for saying so?

 

[RR144]

No.

Saving a man without the mans consent IS Force, without Freewill election.
Saving a man According to Gods Order and Way, requires the mans Freewill election....consent.

Not a mystery; bodily Dead men, know, speak, feel nothing.
A dead body can not, declare their belief and consent to Become Made Saved.

In Brief....they missed their opportunity while alive in their Body.

Glory to God,
Taken

So that's your reasoning, but where is your scriptural support for such reasoning?

 

[quietthinker]

Not only the living will benefit in the Millennium and have an opportunity for the earthly salvation. Paul speaks of "God our Savior, whose will it is that all men should find salvation and come to know the truth." Those who died without this knowledge must therefore be awakened from the dead if they are to get it. All of us have relatives and friends who died without being "saved", in the sense that they did not exercise faith in Jesus as their Savior and gain the heavenly inheritance. From the broader standpoint we realize that most of earth's millions since the creation of man never even heard of Jesus, and would appear to be lost forever, since "Salvation is to be found through him alone; in all the world there is no one else whom God has given who can save us" (Acts 4:12). Many Christians have been taught that all opportunity for attaining eternal life is limited strictly to the present life, which logically implies that the redeeming work of Jesus was a failure, since the vast majority of mankind would then be lost. The Bible does not support this dismal conclusion.

The ransom paid by Jesus guarantees release from Adamic death for every one of the human race. "As in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive." It may seem incredible that the dead will live again, but with God, all things are possible. Jesus said, "Don't be so surprised! Indeed the time is coming when the dead in their graves shall hear the voice of God's son, and shall rise again" (John 5:28,29). The implications of the awakening of the dead are immense, but abundant Bible testimony can be found as to God's plan to restore the human family, and the great adventure is soon to begin.

I have wondered about the second resurrection, ie, the resurrection of the wicked.
I figured, they are dead, why bother to bring them back to life? Is it just to kill them again? hmmmmm

However, this thought crossed my mind....the billions of people who have lived in bygone eras who have had no or scant understanding of the beauty of God's character (let's say the whole pagan world) ....will they just be wiped out? Seems pretty unfair to me considering that the incarnation was God's method of revealing himself (his character) to fallen mankind......a humbling which no other god in the pantheon of gods man has created is comparable.

Could it be that somehow they too will get the opportunity to see the beauty of character of our creator?
That said, seeing does not necessarily equate to believing .....but they will see so that as Paul says, none will be with excuse?

 

[RR144]

The answer is NONE!

As it is written:

Hebrews 9:27
And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

Death settles where we spend eternity.

As it is written, do you understand what Hebrews 9:27 refers too? Isolating verses is a bad idea. So, explain this verse in context please.

 

[RR144]

I have wondered about the second resurrection, ie, the resurrection of the wicked.
I figured, they are dead, why bother to bring them back to life? Is it just to kill them again? hmmmmm

So, you admit that there are two resurrections. The first resurrection is heavenly and comprises those who make up the Church. The second resurrection comprises the rest of mankind who will reside on earth, just as God initially intended when he created Adam and Eve.

However, this thought crossed my mind....the billions of people who have lived in bygone eras who have had no or scant understanding of the beauty of God's character (let's say the whole pagan world) ....will they just be wiped out? Seems pretty unfair to me considering that the incarnation was God's method of revealing himself (his character) to fallen mankind......a humbling which no other god in the pantheon of gods man has created is comparable.

Could it be that somehow they too will get the opportunity to see the beauty of character of our creator?
That said, seeing does not necessarily equate to believing .....but they will see so that as Paul says, none will be with excuse?

Yes, that is the purpose of the millennial kingdom, to teach and reconcile mankind back to God. During this period, they will be enlightened as to what God has done for mankind through his son, Jesus.

 

[Aunty Jane]

The first resurrection is heavenly and comprises those who make up the Church. The second resurrection comprises the rest of mankind who will reside on earth, just as God initially intended when he created Adam and Eve.

Exactly.....the whole purpose of the resurrection is to give redeemed mankind back what Adam lost for them....that includes the dead, both righteous and unrighteous.....both called from the same place.....hades. (the grave)

Yes, that is the purpose of the millennial kingdom, to teach and reconcile mankind back to God. During this period, they will be enlightened as to what God has done for mankind through his son, Jesus.

Not everyone will hear the Christian message before the end comes, so Paul tells us what hope there is for them...
Romans 2:14-16....
"For when people of the nations, [unbelieving gentiles] who do not have law, do by nature the things of the law, these people, although not having law, are a law to themselves. 15 They are the very ones who demonstrate the matter of the law to be written in their hearts, while their conscience is bearing witness with them, and by their own thoughts they are being accused or even excused. 16 This will take place in the day when God through Christ Jesus judges the secret things of mankind, according to the good news I declare."

Many will have lived and died not knowing that a decision had to be made.....it would be unfair of God to condemn them without first giving them the opportunity to come to know and serve him. The millennium will be a time of education for these ones.
It is the condition of their heart that either "accuses" them or "excuses" them. Their ignorance is circumstantial, not willful.

 

[quietthinker]

So, you admit that there are two resurrections. The first resurrection is heavenly and comprises those who make up the Church. The second resurrection comprises the rest of mankind who will reside on earth, just as God initially intended when he created Adam and Eve.

Yes, that is the purpose of the millennial kingdom, to teach and reconcile mankind back to God. During this period, they will be enlightened as to what God has done for mankind through his son, Jesus.

hmmmm, I don't really see your sequence as being accurate however we can discuss it if you're interested?
To kick off with, how do you arrive at the idea that the millennium is a kingdom on Earth?....at least one with human beings?

 

[Aunty Jane]

how do you arrive at the idea that the millennium is a kingdom on Earth?....at least one with human beings?

Revelation 21:3-4...
"With that I heard a loud voice from the throne say: “Look! The tent of God is with mankind, and he will reside with them, and they will be his people. And God himself will be with them. 4 And he will wipe out every tear from their eyes, and death will be no more, neither will mourning nor outcry nor pain be anymore. The former things have passed away.”

The "tent of God", (a place where he is obligated to care for those who are his guests. Psalm 15:1) is with "mankind"...those redeemed by Jesus will live on earth where God put us in the first place. Since this is earthly, the benefits brought to mankind by Christ and his bride, are also associated with life on earth....in the restored paradise there will be no more death, mourning or outcry for earth's saved inhabitants, because Christ will be their ruler along with his elect for a thousand years, free from satan's influence. The awful things associated with the devil's rulership will have "passed away".

 

[Enoch111]

Why don't you enlighten me with scripture and reason.

One passage should suffice: And he [Christ] said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned. (Mark 16:15,16)

Does this not refute this statement of yours? "The ransom paid by Jesus guarantees release from Adamic death for every one of the human race"

 

[quietthinker]

Revelation 21:3-4...
"With that I heard a loud voice from the throne say: “Look! The tent of God is with mankind, and he will reside with them, and they will be his people. And God himself will be with them. 4 And he will wipe out every tear from their eyes, and death will be no more, neither will mourning nor outcry nor pain be anymore. The former things have passed away.”

The "tent of God", (a place where he is obligated to care for those who are his guests. Psalm 15:1) is with "mankind"...those redeemed by Jesus will live on earth where God put us in the first place. Since this is earthly, the benefits brought to mankind by Christ and his bride, are also associated with life on earth....in the restored paradise there will be no more death, mourning or outcry for earth's saved inhabitants, because Christ will be their ruler along with his elect for a thousand years, free from satan's influence. The awful things associated with the devil's rulership will have "passed away".

In chapter 21, John sees a new heaven and a new earth where death no longer exists. One could call it 'The Kingdom of God'
The old heaven and old earth have passed away. I would understand that to mean they no longer exist.....it is gone along with death ie, the old order of things as vs 4 is clear about. It does not however tell us about a limited length of time for the duration of this Kingdom.

Daniel also spoke of this Kingdom; one which was to follow the kingdoms of the world represented by the stone cut without hands which struck the metal man image at its feet. Daniels broad scape interpretation of Nebuchadnezzar's dream tells us in Daniel 2:44 that this Kingdom will stand forever, meaning no limited duration of time. I think we can safely assume this kingdom referred to, is located on Earth....and for the purpose of clarity, not a 1000 yrs aka the Millenium.

Just to draw a little attention to the 'broad scape' of Nebuchadnezzar's dream and Daniel's interpretation....it is just that, a broad scape. It doesn't give us all the details.

So the question arises, what's with the 1000 years? .....and how does it fit into the scheme of events? (timing) .....and where?

 

[Taken]

It's easy to say "no", but what is your scriptural support for saying so?

The requirement of..."IF “

Rom 10:
[9] That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

How does a Dead Body Confess?
How does a Dead Heart Believe?

Ecc 9:
[5] For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.

You appear to believe and teach the Un-Believing dead heart shall have the Reward of Salvation.

What Scripture verifies your teaching?

 

[Taken]

So that's your reasoning, but where is your scriptural support for such reasoning?

Reasoning is concluded after in-depth study of extensive passages.

I can not read and study for you.
I can give you a blip. If it interests you to know more, that is your option to read, learn, study, conclude for yourself.

 

[Earburner]

I have wondered about the second resurrection, ie, the resurrection of the wicked.
I figured, they are dead, why bother to bring them back to life? Is it just to kill them again? hmmmmm

However, this thought crossed my mind....the billions of people who have lived in bygone eras who have had no or scant understanding of the beauty of God's character (let's say the whole pagan world) ....will they just be wiped out? Seems pretty unfair to me considering that the incarnation was God's method of revealing himself (his character) to fallen mankind......a humbling which no other god in the pantheon of gods man has created is comparable.

Could it be that somehow they too will get the opportunity to see the beauty of character of our creator?
That said, seeing does not necessarily equate to believing .....but they will see so that as Paul says, none will be with excuse?

Most all of church-ianity has a severe misunderstanding about a second resurrection, beginning way back in KJV Gen. 2:7, having the answer provided to us in John 3:18.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

As it is written, do you understand what Hebrews 9:27 refers too? Isolating verses is a bad idea. So, explain this verse in context please.

Yes. Men die once and are judged. Just as Jesus only had to die once for sin. But there are many many verses that speak of the eternity of suffering for those who reject the death and physical resurrection of Jesus for their sin.