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The U.S. Declaration of Independence is, unquestionably, a marvelous manuscript but it is hardly equivalent to the Holy Bible. History demonstrates that all empires eventually fall into ruin no matter how grand their foundation. One consistent contributing factor to their imminent demise is moral corruption
But we were talking about the government, not the Bible.
The Holy Bible also states that liberty has limits:
1Pe 2:16
How does this verse apply to nonbelievers?
Don’t confuse God’s long-suffering patience with mankind as given His Sovereign assent to their every lawless action. Multicultural Babylon and the pluralistic cities of Sodom and Gomorrah were also liberally broad-minded but their eventual demise was of Biblical proportion.
Christians are not in charge of the moral fabric of America. We are a pluralistic nation - this is not ancient Israel or a Theocracy. If you were talking about the morality of your church, I would agree that Christian standards apply, but you are talking about the nation. Your understanding of God's laws for ancient Israel simply do not apply, nor do you have the power or right to impose them on nonbelievers.
Jude 1:7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
Ok. So what are you going to do about it?
The thing that is ironic about legislating morality is that it so often has the opposite affect - corruption and violence abound.
The loving Jesus succinctly said:
Luke 17:32 Remember Lot's wife.
Another cautionary tale....ok. How does this help nonbelievers stop sinning to appease God?
Though study of the Bible may not determine one’s salvation, without it you’ll remain forever a ‘babe in Christ’ and your reward will be commensurate to your love of and obedience to the Word of God (which is Christ Jesus). You cannot rightfully claim to love God without reverencing His Word.
Jesus is not the Bible. You have no idea who I am or if I am a mature Christian or not. All you know is that we do not agree on some doctrine or theological ideas.
John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
1Jn 1:1 That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon and our hands have handled, of the word of life.
And God’s Word plainly condemns homosexuality and the fornication of the Great Whore of Babylon. (Need I list the many scripture passages for you? Or would it do any good?)
Where have I said that homosexuality is not a sin?
Though it may be well beyond your comprehension, Aspen2, there is such a thing as “righteous hatred” (2Chr. 19:2) (Psa. 5:5) (Psa. 45:7) (Psa. 97:10)
Hating homosexuality is not going to save anyone.
Many folks claim to love baby Jesus in the manger or the loving words of the Sermon on the Mount. Curiously, not near as many share their fondness for Jesus and His Father’s wrathful side:
2Th 1:7-9
Rev 19:15
Why should we love violence? Or wrath? Or revenge? We are called to love our enemies. Nonbelievers are sinning against God, not me. God is the Judge, not me. I am called to love my neighbor, even in the midst of their destruction. I will always side with mercy over judgment.
But we were talking about the government, not the Bible.
The Holy Bible also states that liberty has limits:
1Pe 2:16
How does this verse apply to nonbelievers?
Don’t confuse God’s long-suffering patience with mankind as given His Sovereign assent to their every lawless action. Multicultural Babylon and the pluralistic cities of Sodom and Gomorrah were also liberally broad-minded but their eventual demise was of Biblical proportion.
Christians are not in charge of the moral fabric of America. We are a pluralistic nation - this is not ancient Israel or a Theocracy. If you were talking about the morality of your church, I would agree that Christian standards apply, but you are talking about the nation. Your understanding of God's laws for ancient Israel simply do not apply, nor do you have the power or right to impose them on nonbelievers.
Jude 1:7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
Ok. So what are you going to do about it?
The thing that is ironic about legislating morality is that it so often has the opposite affect - corruption and violence abound.
The loving Jesus succinctly said:
Luke 17:32 Remember Lot's wife.
Another cautionary tale....ok. How does this help nonbelievers stop sinning to appease God?
Though study of the Bible may not determine one’s salvation, without it you’ll remain forever a ‘babe in Christ’ and your reward will be commensurate to your love of and obedience to the Word of God (which is Christ Jesus). You cannot rightfully claim to love God without reverencing His Word.
Jesus is not the Bible. You have no idea who I am or if I am a mature Christian or not. All you know is that we do not agree on some doctrine or theological ideas.
John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
1Jn 1:1 That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon and our hands have handled, of the word of life.
And God’s Word plainly condemns homosexuality and the fornication of the Great Whore of Babylon. (Need I list the many scripture passages for you? Or would it do any good?)
Where have I said that homosexuality is not a sin?
Though it may be well beyond your comprehension, Aspen2, there is such a thing as “righteous hatred” (2Chr. 19:2) (Psa. 5:5) (Psa. 45:7) (Psa. 97:10)
Hating homosexuality is not going to save anyone.
Many folks claim to love baby Jesus in the manger or the loving words of the Sermon on the Mount. Curiously, not near as many share their fondness for Jesus and His Father’s wrathful side:
2Th 1:7-9
Rev 19:15
Why should we love violence? Or wrath? Or revenge? We are called to love our enemies. Nonbelievers are sinning against God, not me. God is the Judge, not me. I am called to love my neighbor, even in the midst of their destruction. I will always side with mercy over judgment.