Is knowing what death is a comfort?

[rwb]

@rwb

There have been resurrections of Dead Body’s...recorded in Scripture, and outside of Scripture.

A dead body, is Blood (life ceases to flow) and is Void of a living soul (which departs the dead body).

Two off hand resurrections were Jesus of-course after His Body was Dead and buried 3 days, then resurrected and Lazarus whose Body was Dead and buried 4 days, then resurrected.

Point being resurrections, (neither called First or Last resurrections), Have and Continue to occur.

Unlike you,
I believe there is a resurrection of those Converted IN Christ Before the Tribulation. ( neither called the First or Last Resurrection )

And a resurrection Nearing the End of the Tribulation Of Those Believers Of Christ. (Called the First Resurrection.)
As well a (called Last Resurrection) After Jesus’ Express Revealed Limited 1,000 yr reign.

And know the specific differences Of Who, What, When, Why, Where and by Whom, Which Scripturally verifies my Belief.

Glory to God,
Taken

The only resurrection that assures we have no fear of the second death is the "first resurrection". That is the resurrection mankind must partake of while physically alive, and it is spiritual, not physical. We partake of the "first resurrection" from spiritual death to spiritual life when we are born from above or born through His Spirit. Because that is how we are assured of having eternal life in Christ. By possessing eternal life when we are born again of His Spirit, we have overcome the second death. Our physical body is ordained to death, but through resurrection spiritual life, our spirit shall never die. Paul gives us a description of this spiritual resurrection from spiritual death to spiritual life in Ephesians.

Ephesians 2:1 (KJV) And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;

Ephesians 2:4-7 (KJV) But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us, Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus: That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.

I agree, we are resurrected through conversion in Christ while alive in this age of time.

Great tribulation for the Church on earth is appointed as the Gospel is proclaimed unto all the earth. From the beginning the universal Church on this earth has been ordained to suffer great tribulation until the Kingdom of God in heaven is complete, and then the end shall come.

Matthew 24:14 (KJV) And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

Matthew 24:21 (KJV) For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

Then when the end comes all of humanity shall be bodily resurrected in the same hour coming, when the last trump sounds. The dead in Christ (good) resurrected to immortality and incorruptible life, and those who died in unbelief (evil) resurrected to damnation.

John 5:28-29 (KJV) Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

When the seventh angel begins to sound there will not be another one thousand years of time given this earth. Because then time shall be no longer.

Revelation 10:5-7 (KJV) And the angel which I saw stand upon the sea and upon the earth lifted up his hand to heaven, And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer: But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.

Indeed, All Glory to God Alone!

 

[Taken]

The only resurrection that assures we have no fear of the second death is the "first resurrection". That is the resurrection mankind must partake of while physically alive, and it is spiritual, not physical. We partake of the "first resurrection" from spiritual death to spiritual life when we are born from above or born through His Spirit. Because that is how we are assured of having eternal life in Christ. By possessing eternal life when we are born again of His Spirit, we have overcome the second death. Our physical body is ordained to death, but through resurrection spiritual life, our spirit shall never die. Paul gives us a description of this spiritual resurrection from spiritual death to spiritual life in Ephesians.

Sure...however, my point was about the specifics....of who, what, when, where, why....

Our, we, etc. is generally speaking.

Ephesians 2:1 (KJV) And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;

Ephesians 2:4-7 (KJV) But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us, Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus: That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.

I agree, we are resurrected through conversion in Christ while alive in this age of time.

Great tribulation for the Church on earth is appointed as the Gospel is proclaimed unto all the earth. From the beginning the universal Church on this earth has been ordained to suffer great tribulation until the Kingdom of God in heaven is complete, and then the end shall come.

Matthew 24:14 (KJV) And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

Matthew 24:21 (KJV) For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

Then when the end comes all of humanity shall be bodily resurrected in the same hour coming, when the last trump sounds. The dead in Christ (good) resurrected to immortality and incorruptible life, and those who died in unbelief (evil) resurrected to damnation.

John 5:28-29 (KJV) Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

When the seventh angel begins to sound there will not be another one thousand years of time given this earth. Because then time shall be no longer.

Revelation 10:5-7 (KJV) And the angel which I saw stand upon the sea and upon the earth lifted up his hand to heaven, And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer: But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.

Indeed, All Glory to God Alone!

Quoting Scriptures, again, in general...”he, His, they Him, etc.”

Scripture verifies what has or shall take place and when and who specifically it applies to and Why.

Do you see what I mean, establishing the specifics of WHO, and what does apply to them specifically and WHeN and WHY?

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[rwb]

Do you see what I mean, establishing the specifics of WHO, and what does apply to them specifically and WHeN and WHY?

No, sorry but I don't know what specifically you are attempting to show me?

 

[Taken]

No, sorry but I don't know what specifically you are attempting to show me?

Hey, busy now, will try to get back to you tomorrow.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Robert Gwin]

What verse stated it Robert?

Who do you think Jesus said those verses to Robert?

What verse stated it Robert?

Mat 6:10 read it completely, the Kingdom of course is coming to the earth, Dan 2:44 and that is why His will will be done on the earth sir, it is not going to go to mars so that His will be done here, correct?

Who do you think Jesus said those verses to Robert?

To the Pharisees, as the verse stated RW, the ones that Jesus had said of: (Matthew 15:7-9) . . .You hypocrites, Isaiah aptly prophesied about you when he said: 8 ‘This people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far removed from me. 9 It is in vain that they keep worshipping me, for they teach commands of men as doctrines.’”
(Matthew 22:18) . . .Jesus, knowing their wickedness, said: “Why do you put me to the test, hypocrites?
(Matthew 23:13-15) . . .“Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because you shut up the Kingdom of the heavens before men; for you yourselves do not go in, neither do you permit those on their way in to go in. . . 15 “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because you travel over sea and dry land to make one proselyte, and when he becomes one, you make him a subject for Ge·henʹna twice as much so as yourselves.

Do you honestly believe the Kingdom was within them sir? The Kingdom is a literal government which is coming to the earth, and Jesus is the King of that Kingdom.

 

[Robert Gwin]

Yes I also am siding with God.

* A man- Kind Of Body is Called:
Terrestrial, Earthly, created out of the Earth, its Life sustained By what is IN the Earth....
The BODY, is A Vessel.
The Vessel, (Body) has LIFE IN the Vessel.
Its Life IS Called BLOOD.
Its Life IS Required, Must, Will DIE.
When the BLOOD life ceases moving (flowing)...the entire Body, it’s flesh, tissue, organs, bones, will cease functioning...Know Nothing, feel nothing, be Called...a Dead Body, a corpse, a cadaver, etc.
It will immediately...begin decomposing, rotting, stinking, returning to dust of the Earth.
...Matters not if it is buried in the Earth...or not...it begins decomposing.

Living men....regularly opt to...temporarily preserve the body, bury the
(putrid stinking decomposing) body in a cave, a casket, box, coffin, a plot of earth, called a Grave....or burn the body, bury the ashes, or scatter the ashes...
Point being....these are ACTS of Living Men regarding the disposal of a Dead, decomposing, putrid smelling, stinking human Body.

Dead Body’s, that which other Living men Take no care of...TO bury in a Grave (Of Choice, Earth, vault, cremation, whatever....)
* Flies, insects, Varmints, birds, animals...will be attracted to the Rotting Dead Body and take their turns Feasting and Eating the decaying corpse.

** And to note...A Dead Body, That Which a Living man Has buried IN a Grave, vault, cave etc. extends the decomposing process....and even days, months, years later that DEAD BODY, can be UN-buried, and still Seen...in portions of bone, tissue fragments not yet having decomposed...not yet having completely returned to dust of the earth.

What does that (Vessel) Body’s DEAD (BLOOD LIFE) Have to Do with ...

Gods LIFE?
Gods VESSELS?

Ponder...
Maybe you have not considered or Know...
What vessels are Gods, belong to God, and What Life is IN Gods Vessels...and NOT “Required” to Die, or “able” to Die.


Can discuss further if you elect.

Glory to God,
Taken

Great, it didn't appear so earlier Taken, I gathered that like satan you believed that no one dies completely, but lives on as some believe as a spirit or a soul. That simply is not what God said, it was satan that stated you will not die.

 

[Robert Gwin]

I Do call the First....an Earth cleansing...being effected by Water, via Gods Power.

I Do call the Next/ Second/ Last...an Earth purification...being effected by Fire, via Gods Power.

And each....Water (Past) and (Future Fire)....designed...to DESTROY kill the BODY (Vessels) Body (blood life) occupying The Face of the Earth.

I do believe the Water (Past Flood) was Literal.

I do believe the Fire (Future) as well, will be Literal.

Rev 20:
[8] And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
[9] And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

Glory to God,
Taken

It could very well be sir, I truly do not know. I believe there will be many fires, but I don't think the earth will be fully encompassed in fire, but what I do know for a fact, there will be an innumerable amount of people who will survive through it Rev 7:9,14. Of course there were survivors of the flood as well, and the three hebrew brothers survived the fiery furnace, so it could very possibly encompass the entire earth. I guess time will reveal how Jehovah's people survive that upcoming destruction.

 

[rwb]

Mat 6:10 read it completely, the Kingdom of course is coming to the earth, Dan 2:44 and that is why His will will be done on the earth sir, it is not going to go to mars so that His will be done here, correct?

To the Pharisees, as the verse stated RW, the ones that Jesus had said of: (Matthew 15:7-9) . . .You hypocrites, Isaiah aptly prophesied about you when he said: 8 ‘This people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far removed from me. 9 It is in vain that they keep worshipping me, for they teach commands of men as doctrines.’”
(Matthew 22:18) . . .Jesus, knowing their wickedness, said: “Why do you put me to the test, hypocrites?
(Matthew 23:13-15) . . .“Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because you shut up the Kingdom of the heavens before men; for you yourselves do not go in, neither do you permit those on their way in to go in. . . 15 “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because you travel over sea and dry land to make one proselyte, and when he becomes one, you make him a subject for Ge·henʹna twice as much so as yourselves.

Do you honestly believe the Kingdom was within them sir? The Kingdom is a literal government which is coming to the earth, and Jesus is the King of that Kingdom.

You can't even prove what you assume using the NWT of Scripture. You're still trying to force the verse to say, Thy kingdom come to this earth. That is NOT what Christ is telling His disciples to pray for. That is what you pray for, but Christ has made it more than abundantly clear that His Kingdom NOW is NOT of this world, and will never be a physical Kingdom on this earth.

New World Translation Mt 6:10 - Let your Kingdom come. Let your will take place, as in heaven, also on earth.

Matthew 6:10 (KJV) Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.

Christ assures us that WHOSOEVER BELIEVES belongs to His Kingdom, that is NOW spiritual and in heaven, and when complete will be the new earth. The Bible warns all who are in unbelief, including the scribes and Pharisees of old.

 

[Robert Gwin]

As shown most if not all modern versions of Holy Scripture have translated this verse with what appears to be a bias toward millennialism. In doing this they make it appear the first resurrection is physical, not spiritual, and that the martyred souls shall live and reign with Christ on this earth for one thousand years after the Lord has come the second time. In this they ignore the tenses. Many millennialists also believe there will two physical resurrections and deny Jo 5:28-29 where it is clearly written there will be one physical resurrection of humanity at the same hour coming, of both those who have done good and those who have done evil, with the good resurrected to life and the evil to damnation.

NWT Rev 4-5 And they came to life and ruled as kings with the Christi for 1,000 years. 5 (The rest of the deadj did not come to life until the 1,000 years were ended.) This is the first resurrection.

[Rev 20:4 NIV] 4 I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony about Jesus and because of the word of God. They had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

[Rev 20:4 ESV] 4 Then I saw thrones, and seated on them were those to whom the authority to judge was committed. Also I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for the testimony of Jesus and for the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.

[Rev 20:4 CSB] 4 Then I saw thrones, and people seated on them who were given authority to judge. I also saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony about Jesus and because of the word of God, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and who had not accepted the mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.

[Rev 20:4 RSV] 4 Then I saw thrones, and seated on them were those to whom judgment was committed. Also I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their testimony to Jesus and for the word of God, and who had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life, and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

Did you have a question on those passages RW? It kinda looks like you are believing that those mentioned in verse 5 and those of verse 6 are referring to the same people, am I understanding you correctly sir?

 

[rwb]

Did you have a question on those passages RW? It kinda looks like you are believing that those mentioned in verse 5 and those of verse 6 are referring to the same people, am I understanding you correctly sir?

Is this your way of not addressing all that I've said Robert?

 

[Taken]

Great, it didn't appear so earlier Taken, I gathered that like satan you believed that no one dies completely...

I believe a body’s life is blood.
I believe a body’s life shall die.
I believe when the body’s life (blood) ceases to function, the body dies, rots, returns to dust.

I believe man Receives a Soul FROM God.
I believe the Soul IS Gods.
I believe How a man Receives a Soul FROM God, IS God BLOWS “His” Soul INTO the nostrils of the man.
I believe the Life IN the Soul IS Gods Life.
I believe Gods Life IN a Soul IS Called “Gods Breath”.

Do you disagree with any of those statements? If so, please identify which one you disagree with.

 

[FactsPlease]

YES!YES!YES! Because we will be RESURRECTED from it!

 

[rwb]

I believe a body’s life is blood.
I believe a body’s life shall die.
I believe when the body’s life (blood) ceases to function, the body dies, rots, returns to dust.

I believe man Receives a Soul FROM God.
I believe the Soul IS Gods.
I believe How a man Receives a Soul FROM God, IS God BLOWS “His” Soul INTO the nostrils of the man.
I believe the Life IN the Soul IS Gods Life.
I believe Gods Life IN a Soul IS Called “Gods Breath”.

Do you disagree with any of those statements? If so, please identify which one you disagree with.

I agree with your understanding of the physical body. However trying to understand the distinction between soul and spirit becomes confusing because the two are similar but not the same.

Every living creature upon the earth is composed of body + spirit which makes every living creature upon the earth a living soul.

Genesis 2:7 (KJV) And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, [physical body] and breathed into his nostrils the breath [divine inspiration, intellect, soul, spirit] of life; and man became a living soul [a breathing creature, appetite, mind, lust, pleasure, will, emotions].

It is through our spirit that we receive life, and that life with a physical body becomes a living soul upon the earth, with natural instincts for survival. It is the spirit within man that is spiritually dead in trespasses and sins without the Holy Spirit's presence within man. It was the God breathed spirit in man that died in the garden. From the moment man sinned the breath of life from God, Who is Spirit departed from him, and the spirit in man became natural. Man, still possesses the vital breath of life, with intellect, but lost the divine influence that enabled man to commune with God. That's why Paul writes of those without new birth from the Spirit of God in them, every man is "dead in trespasses and sins."

Christ says that whosoever lives and believes in Him shall never die. Christ, knowing every man is destined to physically die, is speaking of the spirit in man when he/she has been born again of the Spirit. When the Spirit of Christ enters into the spirits of men/women our spirit is eternally alive because the Spirit, giving us eternal life will never leave believers. He promises the Spirit will be with us forever. When the body of people of faith in Christ dies, the spirit in them, through the life-giving Holy Spirit goes to heaven alive as spirit soul. Our spirit, alive through His Spirit in us after physical death is still a soul, because having a soul means to have a mind. Our spirit with the Holy Spirit is a living soul, but our body without a spirit is dead, and can no longer be called a soul.

 

[Taken]

No, sorry but I don't know what specifically you are attempting to show me?

Speaking from my POV..and swaying off OP topic.
But point of Who is Who.

Believers....in God, but not Jesus is the Christ.
Believers....in other gods.
Believers....in their mind only.
Believers....in their mind and heart.
Believers....in mind confessing belief.
Believers ...in mind and heart confessing belief from heart.
Believers....Converted.
Believers....not converted

Could continue, point being All Are specifically different.
When Scripture says... “we, our, us, he, him, she, etc.” and Not Knowing
the specifics, leads to a common unpleasant conversation.

The Word BELIEVE is the same....but the meanings are Not the Same.
The promises are not the same.
The consequences are not the same.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[rwb]

Speaking from my POV..and swaying off OP topic.
But point of Who is Who.

Believers....in God, but not Jesus is the Christ.
Believers....in other gods.
Believers....in their mind only.
Believers....in their mind and heart.
Believers....in mind confessing belief.
Believers ...in mind and heart confessing belief from heart.
Believers....Converted.
Believers....not converted

Could continue, point being All Are specifically different.
When Scripture says... “we, our, us, he, him, she, etc.” and Not Knowing
the specifics, leads to a common unpleasant conversation.

The Word BELIEVE is the same....but the meanings are Not the Same.
The promises are not the same.
The consequences are not the same.

Glory to God,
Taken

I'm still not sure of the point you're making. There are many, and always have been, many, who say falsely "I believe". What exactly they believe in is in question. Even the devils believe that Christ is the Son of God. Believing Christ with head knowledge is quite different than believing from a new heart. Only those who believe through the power of the Holy Spirit in them have no more fear of dying.

Luke 4:41 (KJV) And devils also came out of many, crying out, and saying, Thou art Christ the Son of God. And he rebuking them suffered them not to speak: for they knew that he was Christ.

Luke 6:45-49 (KJV) A good man out of the good treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is good; and an evil man out of the evil treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is evil: for of the abundance of the heart his mouth speaketh. And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say? Whosoever cometh to me, and heareth my sayings, and doeth them, I will shew you to whom he is like: He is like a man which built an house, and digged deep, and laid the foundation on a rock: and when the flood arose, the stream beat vehemently upon that house, and could not shake it: for it was founded upon a rock. But he that heareth, and doeth not, is like a man that without a foundation built an house upon the earth; against which the stream did beat vehemently, and immediately it fell; and the ruin of that house was great.

 

[Taken]

I agree with your understanding of the physical body. However trying to understand the distinction between soul and spirit becomes confusing because the two are similar but not the same.

Agree.

Every living creature upon the earth is composed of body + spirit which makes every living creature upon the earth a living soul.

This can get confusing...
Men and animal...(but addressing man specific)
Man IS a created Form.
The Form, is the Shape.
The shape is Created BY Gods Hand FORMING, the Shape.
The formed shape is formed FROM the Dust of the Earth.
Once the Form is COMPLETED....it is called Form-ed.
The form-Ed thing was called....MAN

End of that mans CREATION.
That man, attached TO nothing.
That man an Individual MAN-Kind Of Thing.
That MAN neither Alive or Dead.

Wait...AND....(a conjunctive piece of additional information ABOUT this Created Man-Kind Of Thing.)

God; The Spirit CREATOR of the form-Ed MAN....Gives That Form-Ed man “something”.
*When? When the formed man is attached to nothing.
*What? A soul that BELONGS to Spirit God.
*What else’s? Spirit Gods LIFE (That BELONGS to God) put in that Soul.
*How? Spirit God Blows (His possessive Soul and His Life In that soul) Into the Formed- nostrils of that Man that Spirit God CREATED.
* Why? To MAKE His CREATED man....Become...ALIVE.

* What ? happens When The Created man IS MADE Alive WITH Spirit Gods, possessive....Soul and Life....IN a mans Formed Body?
* Body parts of the man...the man will REQUIRE...TO communicate Becomes
made Alive.

*How DO Men Communicate?
* seeing, hearing, speaking, smelling, tasting, touching?
* Broadly men call those things “senses”
* Specifically...those Abilities Were Given an Individual man...AFTER...WHEN Spirit God BLEW His possessive Soul and Life INTO that Formed mans Shape called A Body.

* When That Body is individually (attached to nothing)...and has Received From Spirit God, Gods possessive Soul and His Life In the Soul...

* That Individual CREATED man can communicate with one or all of WHAT Gods Given Soul & Life has MADE Alive.
Eyes see
Ears hear
Mouth utters sound
Nose smells
Tongue tastes
Flesh feels touch

* The Form-Ing (in Process Of Development)...Requires it’s natural mortal LIFE (blood)...to be connected Indirectly (placenta) TO another natural mortal Blood Life Source (Female)....The In Process Forming man, does not communicate...
Does not...see, hear, speak, smell, taste, feel touch....Until the body is Form-Ed, IS severed From dependence on the female, AND (conjunction) Receives Spirit Gods, possessive Soul & His possessive Life IN That Soul.
Then...is that Individual man-kind Of Body Thing Called MADE ALIVE.

Once A soul with Gods Life is Entered INTO a mans Body...
That Soul’s....NAME, identity....IS called by whatever Another Man-Kind of Thing...(dad, mom, g-ma, uncle...whoever officially declares what that Body shall be called...shall also be the Soul’ Name).

Body’s Life (blood) SHALL Die. Spirit God Requires it.
God Life, Shall Never Die.
Gods possessive Soul may be Saved (Restored)..
Gods possessive Soul may be Destroyed.

Body’s are Vessels...with or without Life
With Life...called Alive...Called Living.
Without Life Called Dead.

Souls are Vessels...with or without Life
With Life...Called Alive...Called Living.
Without Life Called Dead.

The Soul Belongs To Spirit God...in or out of a Body, regardless of its Name.
The Life IN the Soul Belongs to Spirit God...in or out of the Body, regardless of its name.

Gods Life Never Dies...regardless of What Body vessel Spirit God PUTS His Soul with His Life Into or departs out from a Body vessel, His possessive Soul and His Life In That Soul.

Bodys come From Dust of the Earth.
Body’s shall return to dust of the Earth.

Souls and Life in the souls come From Spirit God...are Spirit Gods possessions...not a mans.

* What Gods Soul & Life In the Soul DOES when a mans Body vessel Blood Life Dies ...
* IS Always the Same...it Departs out of that Dead bodily vessel

* What happens TO Spirit Gods Soul & Gods Life in a Soul...WHEN the mans Bodily Vessel (Blood Life ) Dies....
* IS NOT....the Same for every soul.

Souls do not come out of the Earth nor are buried IN the Earth.

 

[Taken]

Continue

[23] And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. 2:7 (KJV) And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, [physical body] AND breathed into his nostrils the breath [divine inspiration, intellect, soul, spirit] of life; and man became a living soul [a breathing creature, appetite, mind, lust, pleasure, will, emotions].

A living soul Departed out of a mans Dead Body....
That Living soul continues functioning the same as it did when IN a mans Living body...Hearing, Seeing, Speaking, Tasting, Smelling, Feeling....VOID of the Body’s Blood Life.

It is through our spirit that we receive life,

Our spirit...Nothing to do with the soul.

and that life with a physical body becomes a living soul upon the earth,

That Life...soul is Gods.
That soul in a body...That manKind body becomes...A Person.
A Person IS a Living Body WITH a Living soul In it.

with natural instincts for survival. It is the spirit within man that is spiritually dead in trespasses and sins without the Holy Spirit's presence within man.

A mans “natural spirit”...is not his Body...Is not a soul...
IS what IS the mans TRUTH in his Hearts Thoughts.
The Whole purpose of CIRCUMCISION...Is cutting off the OLD natural...to receive The NEW supernatural.

OT men agreed to Gods Covenant, according to LAW. Foreskin Circumcision.
That was a foreshadow to “the real point of circumcision” OF the Heart....a ACT men would Agree TO, By their Heartful belief and Word...and the Act of cutting off the old natural truth in a mans natural spirit..is a Spiritual circumcision performed BY God...TO a man who has confessed his willingness to Receive Gods super natural circumcision...of the Heart.

OT...one confusing mention...of the Heart.
Deut 10:
[16] Circumcise therefore the foreskin of your heart, and be no more stiffnecked.

Gods Order and Way...Knowledge Given little by little, bit by bit....the Understanding of the Knowledge revealed much later to a maturing man Hearing Gods Word AND Receiving Gods Understanding ...Whois then called having received Wisdom.

It is The natural spirit of man (not his body, not his soul) whereby The spirit of man becomes...Born Again...Effected by the Conditions (Order and way according to God)...and Gods acts and Power.

It was the God breathed spirit in man that died in the garden. From the moment man sinned the breath of life from God, Who is Spirit departed from him,

The mans Body...became separated from God...sent out of the Garden where God Was.
(Separation From God of a Living or dead thing IS CALLED Dead)

Was Adams Soul Separated From God?
No.

Huh? How do we know? Because Adam soul was forgiven.
God Covered Adam’s Body with SKINS of an Animal.
(We do not need to have an elaborate text in Genesis, that an animal’s blood life was shed for Adam’s forgiveness, the knowledge is revealed later.
As well the understanding God IS WITH whom He has Forgiven.

and the spirit in man became natural. Man, still possesses the vital breath of life, with intellect, but lost the divine influence that enabled man to commune with God. That's why Paul writes of those without new birth from the Spirit of God in them, every man is "dead in trespasses and sins."

The spirit of man was created natural. It doesn’t become natural, it is natural.

The body of man.
The soul in man.
The heart of man.

Are three Different Vessels...with Two Different life sources...
Body Blood,
Soul Gods Breath,
Natural Heart Blood.

Until that IS MADE changed....by the Power of God...that man REMAINS, a natural creature.


Mixing truth with non truth.

Christ says that whosoever lives and believes in Him shall never die.

What shall never Die?
Body? soul? natural Spirit of man?

All body’s Shall Die.
To NEVER Die, means...body, soul, spirit of man...Never Separated from God.
And that Only occurs AFTER by,through,of Gods Power...God changes...MAKES changed..The body, soul, spirit of man.

Christ, knowing every man is destined to physically die, is speaking of the spirit in man when he/she has been born again of the Spirit.

Yes...that applies to the Spirit of man.....not the body...not the soul

When the Spirit of Christ enters into the spirits of men/women our spirit is eternally alive because the Spirit, giving us eternal life will never leave believers.

When Does or Will The Spirit Of God, Who is the Power of God, Who is Christ....enter INTO a man?
What does HE GIVE that man? Eternal Life? How?

He promises the Spirit will be with us forever. When the body of people of faith in Christ dies, the spirit in them, through the life-giving Holy Spirit goes to heaven alive as spirit soul.

The soul is one thing.
The spirit is another thing.
Both come From God Who IS Spirit.

Our spirit, alive through His Spirit in us after physical death is still a soul, because having a soul means to have a mind. Our spirit with the Holy Spirit is a living soul, but our body without a spirit is dead, and can no longer be called a soul.

Again mixing spirit and soul.

Read here...
1 Thes 5:
[23] And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

*** IS....whole spirit AND whole soul AND whole body...an ERROR?
Not speaking or Three distinct things?

Should that read Whole spirit soul AND whole Body?

 

[Taken]

I'm still not sure of the point you're making.

Specifics and context.

 

[Taken]

I'm still not sure of the point you're making. There are many, and always have been, many, who say falsely "I believe".

Sure.

What exactly they believe in is in question. Even the devils believe that Christ is the Son of God. Believing Christ with head knowledge is quite different than believing from a new heart.

Sure.

Only those who believe through the power of the Holy Spirit in them have no more fear of dying.

Sure.

Luke 4:41 (KJV) And devils also came out of many, crying out, and saying, Thou art Christ the Son of God. And he rebuking them suffered them not to speak: for they knew that he was Christ.

Luke 6:45-49 (KJV) A good man out of the good treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is good; and an evil man out of the evil treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is evil: for of the abundance of the heart his mouth speaketh. And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say? Whosoever cometh to me, and heareth my sayings, and doeth them, I will shew you to whom he is like: He is like a man which built an house, and digged deep, and laid the foundation on a rock: and when the flood arose, the stream beat vehemently upon that house, and could not shake it: for it was founded upon a rock. But he that heareth, and doeth not, is like a man that without a foundation built an house upon the earth; against which the stream did beat vehemently, and immediately it fell; and the ruin of that house was great.

Still 3 separated things of a man MADE Different BY One Spiritual God.

 

[Robert Gwin]

You can't even prove what you assume using the NWT of Scripture. You're still trying to force the verse to say, Thy kingdom come to this earth. That is NOT what Christ is telling His disciples to pray for. That is what you pray for, but Christ has made it more than abundantly clear that His Kingdom NOW is NOT of this world, and will never be a physical Kingdom on this earth.

New World Translation Mt 6:10 - Let your Kingdom come. Let your will take place, as in heaven, also on earth.

Matthew 6:10 (KJV) Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.

Christ assures us that WHOSOEVER BELIEVES belongs to His Kingdom, that is NOW spiritual and in heaven, and when complete will be the new earth. The Bible warns all who are in unbelief, including the scribes and Pharisees of old.

You can't even prove what you assume using the NWT of Scripture. You're still trying to force the verse to say, Thy kingdom come to this earth. That is NOT what Christ is telling His disciples to pray for. That is what you pray for, but Christ has made it more than abundantly clear that His Kingdom NOW is NOT of this world, and will never be a physical Kingdom on this earth.

New World Translation Mt 6:10 - Let your Kingdom come. Let your will take place, as in heaven, also on earth.

Matthew 6:10 (KJV) Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.

Christ assures us that WHOSOEVER BELIEVES belongs to His Kingdom, that is NOW spiritual and in heaven, and when complete will be the new earth. The Bible warns all who are in unbelief, including the scribes and Pharisees of old.

Christ assures us that WHOSOEVER BELIEVES belongs to His Kingdom, that is NOW spiritual and in heaven, and when complete will be the new earth.

We are not too far off on this Rw, all believers right now are being gathered into that Kingdom basically as citizens if you believe we are in the last days of this system anyway. Isa 2:2-4. As I have been saying the heavenly Kingdom is in place, so we agree on that as well, and we also agree the earthly part of the Kingdom is yet future, I guess the disagreement comes with the millennium.