Ezekiel is a true prophet of God: Animal sacrifices will be in Christ's Millennium

[robert derrick]

When Paul said in Hebrews 10:9 "He taketh away the first", who is He, and what did He take away?

How about I answer two of your questions, and you then answer my two. Deal?

Which two of your questions would you like me to answer?

What one part of Ezekiel 40- is not yet fulfilled, and will not be come to pass at all on earth?

Give a simple answer to this, and I'll be glad to repeat my answer to your question.

You don't even need to give any detail. You can just say yes/no to whether any part of Ezekiel 40- is not yet fulfilled and will not come to pass at all.

Thanks

 

[Keraz]

Where is a so-called future millennium mentioned here?

The future reign of Jesus as King over all the earth is explicitly stated in Rev 20. Also described in many other Prophesies.

Why are you afraid to answer post 109?

I don't like to have to repeat myself.
The Temple, and its uses are not for us during this Church age. But that is not permanent.

I am astounded and disgusted at the blatant rejection of many Prophesies by all the deniers of the new Temple here. I really can't see why you must refuse the idea of a new Temple to God. Jesus, who sacrificed Himself, will use it during His Millennium reign. Zechariah 14:16-21, Isaiah 2:2, +

bro, you are waiting for some cataclysm to occur thinking what that Jesus will literally return and then your Life can really begin, are you not? Man, that is a sad way to live ok

Your comments are the most useless and worthless imaginable. Rather than opposing what others post, try to be positive and say something worthwhile, or is doing that too hard for you?

But yes: I do wait for the Lord to take action, as He has so many times said He would. THEN we can look forward to the great Promises of God to His faithful people to come to pass.

Paul's temples:

Paul knew what he was talking about; you don't.

 

[Truth7t7]

he said, with overwhelming confidence
in himself

Yes they are future as scripture teaches

2 Thessalonians 2:4 clearly addresses the meaning of the NT temple, and Hebrews 10:9 clearly addresses animal sacrifice.

You may disagree with Scripture, history, and the historical defenders of the faith, but that does not negate their truth.

I'm surprised that after all you've seen regarding the papacy, you still subscribe to its deceptions, heresies, and blasphemies.

I Disagree With Reformed Eschatology, We Have Spent Weeks In Debate On The Subject, And It's Not Changing

2 Thessalonians 2:3-4 "Temple" Is Defined by Isaiah 66:1-4, showing a future literal temple, delusion, and animal sacrifice

Jerusalem is the Whore, Mystery Babylon the Great, the future (Little Horn) (Man Of Sin) (The Beast) will be a literal human man, a King/Ruler of Jewish/Hebrew decent, he will be present on this earth at the second coming, and this future human man dosent represent the Roman Catholic Pope

Daniel's AOD and The Great Tribulation are future events unfulfilled

The (Two Witnesses) will be literal prophets returned, that will being literal plagues upon this literal world

I Strongly Disagree With Reformed Eschatology As Clearly Shown

Feel Free To Start A Thread, And I Will Be More Than Happy To Debate Every Point Above, We Can Spend A Month If You Desire

Jesus Is The Lord

 

[robert derrick]

Where is a millennium mentioned here? Nowhere. You are twisting Scripture to say what you believe. This is so wrong! With this type of convoluted hermeneutics you could literally make the Bible say anything you wish.

Proof of incense and animal sacrifices accepted by the Lord, after His resurrection:

Isaiah 60:

Arise, shine; for thy light is come, and the glory of the LORD is risen upon thee. For, behold, the darkness shall cover the earth, and gross darkness the people: but the LORD shall arise upon thee, and his glory shall be seen upon thee.


And the Gentiles shall come to thy light, and kings to the brightness of thy rising. Lift up thine eyes round about, and see: all they gather themselves together, they come to thee: thy sons shall come from far, and thy daughters shall be nursed at thy side. Then thou shalt see, and flow together, and thine heart shall fear, and be enlarged; because the abundance of the sea shall be converted unto thee, the forces of the Gentiles shall come unto thee.


The multitude of camels shall cover thee, the dromedaries of Midian and Ephah; all they from Sheba shall come: they shall bring gold and incense; and they shall shew forth the praises of the LORD. All the flocks of Kedar shall be gathered together unto thee, the rams of Nebaioth shall minister unto thee: they shall come up with acceptance on mine altar, and I will glorify the house of my glory.

The 1st verse is the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ.

The 2nd verse is the church of Jesus Christ today.

The 3rd verse must be during His Millennium on earth.

In any case, there are prophesied animals accepted on the altar of the Lord, after His resurrection.

 

[Keraz]

Ezekiel 40 to 48 is a Prophecy that causes much confusion among Bible believers. Some place it in the past, others for during the Millennium.

It is in fact the great story of how the Lord's faithful Christian peoples will travel to and live in all of the holy land; BEFORE Jesus Returns.
This is proved by the establishment of a new nation called Beulah, Isaiah 62:1-5, and how the Christians will live there in peace and prosperity. Micah 7:11-17, Isaiah 35:1-10, Zechariah 8:7-12, and many other Prophesies.

Proved by how God's holy peoples are there when the Antichrist conquers them. Daniel 7:25, Revelation 13:5-8
Also by how the Anti-Christ 'beast' stops the sacrifices and offerings in the new Temple; Daniel 9:27

Of course, the holy Land must be cleared and cleansed before all of this. Deuteronomy 32:34-43, the Sixth Seal and many other Prophesies tell us how the Lord will do this.

 

[Keraz]

2 Thessalonians 2:3-4 "Temple" Is Defined by Isaiah 66:1-4, showing a future literal temple, delusion, and animal sacrifice

Your attempt to make the new Temple to be a false and fake one is disproven by Pauls Words in 2 Thess 2:4....in God's Temple....
The Shekinah glory of God will reside in the new Temple. Ezekiel 43:1-4

 

[Dustykitten]

No need for me. I'm not an animal rights' activist.

And I only kill by necessity, whether men or animals.

And it's no longer necessary to kill animals for sin sacrifice, as under the law of Moses, until Jesus' Millennium on earth, as by will of the King.

There will be both burnt offerings for sin by His natural priesthood, and salvation by the Lamb's gospel. preached personally by Himself and His resurrected saints.

I shall never understand why some employ veiled sarcasm in Bible discussions.

 

[Truth7t7]

I already addressed this in #57 and you already steered around it. You have to. I will repeat.

Amils believe Ezekiel was a true prophet of God. But he mentioned absolutely nothing about some future millennium. Helooked forward to Christ and His final sacrifice for sin. The conditional promises he presnted, to disobedient Old Testament Israel, that they failed to realize, through their rebellion, serves as a suitable shadow, type and figure of the perfect new covenant temple and the living water of the Spirit that flowed from Him.

Israel in Ezekiel’s day had sunk into deep idolatry and awful iniquity. God exposed the extent of the evil that existed within the camp in Ezekiel 43:8, saying, “they have even defiled my holy name by their abominations that they have committed: wherefore I have consumed them in mine anger.” Notwithstanding, God, as is His custom, reached out in His grace, mercy and love to them, exhorting them to turn from their wicked ways. He promised that He would bless them if they obeyed His voice.

He commanded them (in v 9): “Now let them put away their whoredom, and the carcases of their kings, far from me, and I will dwell in the midst of them for ever.”

God gave definite and unambiguous instructions to Israel regarding how they could regain the blessing of God. With God there is always the promise accompanied by the conditions. Just because God offers a blessing does not mean the outcome is a foregone conclusion. The realisation would be determined by the response. If Israel obeyed what God asked, the blessing would be released, if they didn’t it would be withheld.

Ezekiel 43:10 goes on to outline the gist and purpose of the vision of the temple, saying, “Thou son of man, shew the house to the house of Israel, that they may be ashamed of their iniquities: and let them measure the pattern.”

Clearly God was making a genuine offer to Israel if they would only repent. Sadly, they didn't and they never entered into the reality of that offer. God essentially shows Israel a picture of what could be if they would only turn from their sin and rebellion. It was a promise of better things if only they would submit to God’s demands. It involved an improved arrangement to what existed at the time of the proposal. It was essentially a mirror that God set up in Ezekiel’s day to allow Israel to see how far (even in that day) they fell short of the old covenant requirements. It was to let Israel compare themselves and their practices against this vision of what God desired for them. God has always instructed Israel in the ideal yet they always fell short. Israel usually failed to adhere to God's conditions. In this situation God’s gracious provision did not materialise.

God simply wanted Israel to “be ashamed of their iniquities.” This was nothing new; in fact, that has always been God’s desire for His people. This was a promise that was built upon righteous conditions. If they would be repentant and humble themselves then they would experience the superior splendour of this new temple.

Ezekiel 43:11 continues, “And if they be ashamed of all that they have done, shew them the form of the house, and the fashion thereof, and the goings out thereof, and the comings in thereof, and all the forms thereof, and all the ordinances thereof, and all the forms thereof, and all the laws thereof: and write it in their sight, that they may keep the whole form thereof, and all the ordinances thereof, and do them.”

This vision was God’s blueprint for Israel in Ezekiel’s day. It was a design that contained important religious demands and was qualified with definite spiritual provisos. Israel was simply required to obey God’s conditions. The “ordinances,” “forms” and “laws” mentioned were to be kept by Israel in Ezekiel’s day. The fact that he commanded the Israelites of his day to “do them” showed that this wasn’t some distant prophecy after the new covenant period that had no direct relevance to them in that day.

The promise/vision here was intended to stir the people to righteousness in that generation. If they submitted, if they gave themselves to obedience and righteousness, the Lord would have them build a temple for His glory in that day. Again, we can see this is a conditional promise, which Israel had to fulfil before it would come to pass. We can see that it was particular to the Jews in Ezekiel's day. It was applicable to the nation in Ezekiel’s day and depicted how God wanted Israel to live under the old covenant. This was a standard that Israel was supposed to abide by.

Adam Clarke says: “If, in a spirit of true repentance, they acknowledge their past transgressions, and purpose in his help never more to offend their God, then teach them everything that concerns my worship, and their profiting by it.”

Of course, Israel disobeyed. They were not able to meet God's requirements therefore this temple never materialised. Despite Ezekiel’s warnings, they chose to walk in “their iniquities,” because of this, the vision of the temple that Ezekiel showed them (in chapters 40-48) was never built. History proves that they didn't because they wouldn't. This rebellious people failed to take a hold of the conditions, they therefore failed to take a hold of the blessing. That is the way it works in Scripture.

There is nothing in Ezekiel 40-48 that would suggest that this is an active ongoing unconditional promise to Israel. Quite the opposite! A greater temple followed just a few hundred years after Ezekiel's conditional vision; a temple that would last forever – God’s spiritual temple. The Old Testament sacrifices and ordinances had an expiration date, it was called the cross. Since then Christ is our lone eternal sacrifice for sin. He has rendered the rest needless and obsolete. This was an old covenant promise with old covenant ordinances that is now redundant under the new covenant arrangement. What is more, he was not speaking to some supposed generation of mortal rebels in your semi-corrupt semi-glorious future millennial age. There is zero evidence of that. Premils have created this theory to sustain their view of Revelation 20.

The fact is, Israel returned to Jerusalem after the Babylonian Captivity and built the 2nd Zerubabbel Temple in Jerusalem 536BC, your response seems to allude away from this

Jesus Is The Lord

 

[Truth7t7]

Your attempt to make the new Temple to be a false and fake one is disproven by Pauls Words in 2 Thess 2:4....in God's Temple....
The Shekinah glory of God will reside in the new Temple. Ezekiel 43:1-4

Of course God's presence was in the 2nd Zerubabbel Temple 536BC, built after the Babylonian Captivity

Do you really believe God will give "Future" instruction on animal sacrifice for sin, after the cross of Calvary, Blasphemy

Keras, nobody is buying your trying to sell ice at the North pole in the middle of winter, it's really hard to believe you continue in this folly when the truth is before your eyes

Jesus Is The Lord

Ezekiel 43:18-19KJV
18 And he said unto me, Son of man, thus saith the Lord God; These are the ordinances of the altar in the day when they shall make it, to offer burnt offerings thereon, and to sprinkle blood thereon.
19 And thou shalt give to the priests the Levites that be of the seed of Zadok, which approach unto me, to minister unto me, saith the Lord God, a young bullock for a sin offering.

 

[Truth7t7]

Proof of incense and animal sacrifices accepted by the Lord, after His resurrection:

Isaiah 60:

Arise, shine; for thy light is come, and the glory of the LORD is risen upon thee. For, behold, the darkness shall cover the earth, and gross darkness the people: but the LORD shall arise upon thee, and his glory shall be seen upon thee.


And the Gentiles shall come to thy light, and kings to the brightness of thy rising. Lift up thine eyes round about, and see: all they gather themselves together, they come to thee: thy sons shall come from far, and thy daughters shall be nursed at thy side. Then thou shalt see, and flow together, and thine heart shall fear, and be enlarged; because the abundance of the sea shall be converted unto thee, the forces of the Gentiles shall come unto thee.


The multitude of camels shall cover thee, the dromedaries of Midian and Ephah; all they from Sheba shall come: they shall bring gold and incense; and they shall shew forth the praises of the LORD. All the flocks of Kedar shall be gathered together unto thee, the rams of Nebaioth shall minister unto thee: they shall come up with acceptance on mine altar, and I will glorify the house of my glory.

The 1st verse is the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ.

The 2nd verse is the church of Jesus Christ today.

The 3rd verse must be during His Millennium on earth.

In any case, there are prophesied animals accepted on the altar of the Lord, after His resurrection.

Not one word in Isaiah Chapter 60 speaks of blood animal sacrifice as you claim

Please show the word "Blood" or the name of any "Animal" you can't, just another false claim made

Jesus Is The Lord

 

[bbyrd009]

Thanks for the warning, and since you insist on joining the trolls here, then I'll give you my only warning to address the subject, or move on.

Or you can return to being just a jokester, since this other stuff really doesn't suit you.

I have found on this site, that those who refuse to be corrected in their doctrine, are also those who run swiftly to making it personal with attacks on the messenger.

That's why the moderators of the site have their rules with warning to ban such people. Not that I personally care or take offense, but it's just a childish waste of time.

rd, you are in a really bad place right now, and i wish there was something i could say to change your mind, but i guess i already know that there is not. I wish you the best in your quest for immortality, ok

 

[bbyrd009]

The future reign of Jesus as King over all the earth is explicitly stated in Rev 20. Also described in many other Prophesies.

yes, Keraz, which you insist upon reading with Two Eyes, not realizing how your right eye offends you.
the only, only, only reason i bother to reply here is bc at some point your strong delusion is going to pale, and you are going to find yourself wrestling with God, ok, and i hope that you might recall then that even though it seems that Yah has failed you, that is actually when you might start walking again

bc Jesus is not ever going to literally, majikally Return in the manner that you have decided He must, which is why you cannot Quote it one, single time, not from anywhere, except perhaps a bad English tranny. And best of luck to you, in your quest for immortality, also

Your comments are the most useless and worthless imaginable. Rather than opposing what others post, try to be positive and say something worthwhile, or is doing that too hard for you?

ok, you are positively going to be eradicated, Esau, when you do not allow Israel to pass through, and i hate to see that happen to such a decent guy

 

[covenantee]

What one part of Ezekiel 40- is not yet fulfilled, and will not be come to pass at all on earth?

Give a simple answer to this, and I'll be glad to repeat my answer to your question.

You don't even need to give any detail. You can just say yes/no to whether any part of Ezekiel 40- is not yet fulfilled and will not come to pass at all.

Thanks

I have two questions. Will you answer both of them if I answer both of yours?

 

[bbyrd009]

Yes they are future as scripture teaches

you might notice the level of surety with which you post? Yes, they might be future for you, but as the Bible is very clear to tell us, you do not yet know as you ought. Now i understand that there really is no way for me to impress that upon you, so i wish you the best of luck, ok

Jesus Is The Lord

"Lord" is an Englyshe Loafwearden, and a landholder to boot, and you simply have no idea yet how poor and biased your education in the Bible has been up to this point, with all due respect. Calling a king "lord" would get you murdered in the Goode Olde Days, im pretty sure. And no offense but what's double-funny is the cock-sureness with which you post, when trust me you dont have a clue yet, are not even trying very hard imo.

I know thats harsh, and im sorry that i dont know a nicer way to say that

 

[Truth7t7]

"Is this blood sacrifice arrangement you promote under the old covenant, the new covenant or a new old covenant?"

In the house of the King.

"Please explain what these animal sacrifices accomplish in your future millennium?"

The King's will.

"Where in Revelation 20, anywhere in the NT or anywhere in the OT does it says that (1) God will re-institute the slaughtering of animals on the new earth,"

Nowhere, just during the King's Millennium on this earth.

"that (2) it will be for sin,"
Yes, that is the prophecy:

And the priest shall take of the blood of the sin offering, and put it upon the posts of the house, and upon the four corners of the settle of the altar, and upon the posts of the gate of the inner court.

"that (3) it will start again in another dispensation (namely your alleged future millennium),"

If someone wants to call it that, but Scripture doesn't.

"nd (4) that they "will look back"?"

None of God's people look back:

Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended: but this one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before.

Unless it to remember what was taught and prophesied before in Scripture:

Wherefore I will not be negligent to put you always in remembrance of these things, though ye know them, and be established in the present truth.

Yea, I think it meet, as long as I am in this tabernacle, to stir you up by putting you in remembrance; Knowing that shortly I must put off this my tabernacle, even as our Lord Jesus Christ hath shewed me.

"Why can you not tell us for what purpose they will be resurrected?"

This makes no sense.

Where is the Millennium mentioned here?

The multitude of camels shall cover thee, the dromedaries of Midian and Ephah; all they from Sheba shall come: they shall bring gold and incense; and they shall shew forth the praises of the LORD. All the flocks of Kedar shall be gathered together unto thee, the rams of Nebaioth shall minister unto thee: they shall come up with acceptance on mine altar, and I will glorify the house of my glory.

Since this is after Jesus' resurrection in Isaiah 60, and there are animal sacrifices during His Millennium, then this must be during His Millennium, since it is not being fulfilled now.

There is nothing in Ezekiel 40-48 that would suggest that this is an active ongoing unconditional promise to Israel.

Not just to natural Israel, but also to the Israel of God, and to all people of earth today. Prophecy of what the Lord will do on earth, is His own personal oath, and will do so whether man wills it or not.

The only prophesied oath of God dependent upon the will of man, is His forgiveness and salvation by the faith of Jesus.

Not one word you provided shows animal sacrifice, instructed by or blessed by God in a future Temple on this earth

 

[Truth7t7]

you might notice the level of surety with which you post? Yes, they might be future for you, but as the Bible is very clear to tell us, you do not yet know as you ought. Now i understand that there really is no way for me to impress that upon you, so i wish you the best of luck, ok

"Lord" is an Englyshe Loafwearden, and a landholder to boot, and you simply have no idea yet how poor and biased your education in the Bible has been up to this point, with all due respect. Calling a king "lord" would get you murdered in the Goode Olde Days, im pretty sure. And no offense but what's double-funny is the cock-sureness with which you post, when trust me you dont have a clue yet, are not even trying very hard imo.

I know thats harsh, and im sorry that i dont know a nicer way to say that

1 Corinthians 12:3KJV
3 Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.

 

[robert derrick]

Not one word you proved shows animal sacrifice, instructed by or blessed by God in a future Temple on this earth

So why then do you say I proved it?

I just saw your post elsewhere on the Lord smiting His enemies by His word. Now that I've seen you can reason rightly with at least some Scripture, my esteem for you has permanently improved, and so I can't be as dismissive of you as before.

 

[robert derrick]

Not the resurrected martyrs. They will be the Priests and co-rulers for King Jesus. Revelation 20:6b
WE Christians will build the new Temple. Zechariah 6:15, Zechariah 8:7-9

No,
The new Temple will be built before Jesus Returns. He will Return to it and reign from it. Zechariah 14:16-21

Please refer to my website for many more articles on the subject of the Temple and of all the Prophetic Word.

Since prophecy plainly says that the Lord Himself will build His house, as well as other from afar, then it must be at the beginning of His Millennium, after cleansing Jerusalem.

Once again, I do appreciate all the Scriptures you've provided, and only wish I had seen them first.

But many times we do not see the significance of certain Scriptures, until we have the key of understanding well in hand.

That's when we see through the glass less darkly.

 

[bbyrd009]

1 Corinthians 12:3KJV
3 Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.

yeh, aint Englyshe wonderful?
kurios is a funny term i guess, cant say i blame them too much
ok, i completely understand ok, and i wish you the best

 

[Truth7t7]

So why then do you say I proved it?

I just saw your post elsewhere on the Lord smiting His enemies by His word. Now that I've seen you can reason rightly with at least some Scripture, my esteem for you has permanently improved, and so I can't be as dismissive of you as before.

Correction "Not One Word You Provided"