The Seventh Seal

[Ronald Nolette]

Not at all. The Day of the Lord is 1000 years. The day of wrath is one year. There are plenty of scriptures that show a day can be considered a year in scripture. If you are not aware of that, you can easily find them with an internet search.

That said, in Revelation 6 we see just before wrath, that the heavens are rolled together as a scroll. We also see the stars fall from heaven who are the host of heaven, as a fig tree cast her figs.

Revelation 6
13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.

14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.

So we see that Isaiah is talking about the events of Revelation 6.

Isaiah 34
Come near, ye nations, to hear; and hearken, ye people: let the earth hear, and all that is therein; the world, and all things that come forth of it.

2 For the indignation of the Lord is upon all nations, and his fury upon all their armies: he hath utterly destroyed them, he hath delivered them to the slaughter.

3 Their slain also shall be cast out, and their stink shall come up out of their carcases, and the mountains shall be melted with their blood.

4 And all the host of heaven shall be dissolved, and the heavens shall be rolled together as a scroll: and all their host shall fall down, as the leaf falleth off from the vine, and as a falling fig from the fig tree.

When we continue reading, we see that the day of wrath is one year.

5 For my sword shall be bathed in heaven: behold, it shall come down upon Idumea, and upon the people of my curse, to judgment.

6 The sword of the Lord is filled with blood, it is made fat with fatness, and with the blood of lambs and goats, with the fat of the kidneys of rams: for the Lord hath a sacrifice in Bozrah, and a great slaughter in the land of Idumea.

7 And the unicorns shall come down with them, and the bullocks with the bulls; and their land shall be soaked with blood, and their dust made fat with fatness.

8 For it is the day of the Lord's vengeance, and the year of recompences for the controversy of Zion.

If this does not convince you, I have more verses to post that will confirm that the wrath of God lasts for a year. (It will be slightly longer as in a few days, which we can prove.

So you are saying that the trumpets and bowls all occur in one year? what about teh 3 1/2 year reign of antichrist as god and king of this earth?

 

[Ronald Nolette]

I'm not sure what convinced you of this, but it is incorrect. First off, the trumpets are the wrath of God. We can prove Gods wrath lasts for one year. Secondly, The vials or bowls are also the wrath of God. The vials or bowls occur in the same timeframe as the trumpets, which we can prove. If you need proof, I can provide.

I wiould love to see this. Many have trtied and failed in showing that teh trumpets and vials occur at teh same time.

Especially in light of the fact that the results of the trumpets are different than the results of the vials.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Romans 8:19-23 The created universe is waiting with eager expectation for God’s sons to be revealed. It was His choice to subject all things to mortality and decay, with the eventual goal of His people entering into the glorious liberty of immortality and a renewed creation. Up to the present as we know, the whole of creation, in all its parts, groans as if in the pangs of childbirth. What is more, we also, to whom the Spirit is given as first-fruits of the harvest to come, are inwardly groaning in anticipation of our adoption as children of God and our liberation from mortality.

Isaiah 42:13-15 The Lord has kept silence and restrained Himself for all this age, allowing this world to go its own way. But as the appointed time approaches, He is like a woman in labour, prepared and ready to take action. The Lord will go forth as a warrior, roused to a fury in the heat of battle. He will shout His battle cry and will triumph over His enemies. The land will be laid to waste, all the plants and trees will burn and the streams and lakes will become dry. Isaiah 63:4, Habakkuk 2:3, Jeremiah 4:23-28

Matthew 24:3-8 Lord; tell us the signs of the end of this age. Jesus replied: Take care that no-one misleads you, for many false Messiahs and teachers will come and many will be fooled by them. The time is coming when you will hear of wars and rumours of wars, for there will be an increase of wars, earthquakes, diseases and famines. All these things are the birth pangs of the new age. Jeremiah 15:2


As Jesus prophesied, there will be wars, earthquakes, diseases and famines at the end of this age. He likened these things to ‘birth pangs’. When we consider normal childbirth, the labour pangs are separated by periods of relative calm. So if there have been times when clusters of those four disasters have occurred, we can ascertain that time must be very short for this age. Here are the facts:

1/ In 1914-19, World War 1 occurred. There were 7 earthquakes of over 8 magnitude. Smallpox and typhus killed millions, but Spanish flu killed at least 50 million in 1918/19. There were terrible famines in Europe, and Russia.

2/ During 1939-45 there was World War 2 and 8 earthquakes of over 8 magnitude. Typhus again killed millions, in North Africa, in Iran and Europe. Anne Frank died of typhus. A terrible famine in China killed at least 45 million.

3/ The data suggests that the third ‘birth pang’ commenced in Nov. 11, 2001. Wars and rumors of wars are rife. It is considered that the global war on terrorism is a world war. There have been more than 20 earthquakes of 8 and two over 9 magnitude. Diseases such as cancer, AIDs and Covid are of epidemic proportions. Crop failures due to unusual weather and wars result in famines in Asia, Ukraine and Africa.



But the last, most shocking and devastating event of the third birth pang, will be the great Day of the Lord’s vengeance and wrath. This will be the many prophesied ‘fire from heaven’ that describes a huge Coronal Mass Ejection sunstrike, which will affect the whole world, killing probably billions. This will enable two things; the establishment of a One World Government and the re-settling of the Lord’s faithful people into all of the holy Land.
The time gap of the Seventh Seal, Revelation 8:1, [1/2 hour in Heaven = 15-20 years on earth] from this CME until the Great Tribulation is prophesied as a time of peace and prosperity.

4/ The fourth and final ‘birth pang’, will be the Great Tribulation, so vividly described in Revelation, but ending with the Return of Jesus and the start of the Millennial era.
After the 1260 days of the G.T. Jesus will Return for His Millennial reign.

Still trying to make a metaphor into a literal doctrinal formula. Sad!

Yes the 2 world wars are considered birth pangs. But you forget many other times when things were spinning out of control.

It could be a CME or it may not. You are being too haughty by saying it must be.

The final birth pang to introduce the tribulation (7 year) is when Israel signs the covenant with teh Antichrist.

Your reinterpreting Israel to mean the church is still wrong and will remain wrong through eternity.

You do not have the right nor the authority to reinterpret the clear plain Word of God to make the simple text mean something neithr God nor the writer intended.

You sir are treading on dangerous ground here!

18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:

19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

YOu boast about your analysis and data but violate all the norms of Grammar God established to support your false conclusions.

 

[Keraz]

Still trying to make a metaphor into a literal doctrinal formula. Sad!

Psalms 90:4 and 2 Peter 3:8 are not metaphorical. They cite exact time periods.
The proof is on you to show what they do represent metaphorically and why God gave us that information.

Yes the 2 world wars are considered birth pangs. But you forget many other times when things were spinning out of control.

My point was that those terrible things have increased in number and intensity over the last Century.
Soon to really intensify when the Sixth Seal happens.

It could be a CME or it may not. You are being too haughty by saying it must be.

Since when was informing people of the likelihood of the Lord using a Coronal Mass Ejection; a 'haughty' warning?

Your reinterpreting Israel to mean the church is still wrong and will remain wrong through eternity.

Your inability to understand who it was that Jesus came to save and who are the Overcomers for God, is your serious misbelief.

You sir are treading on dangerous ground here!

I view your teachings as some good and all the rest as unscriptural error.
One of your errors is to judge your fellow brethren. James 3:1

YOu boast about your analysis and data but violate all the norms of Grammar God established to support your false conclusions.

I show you to be wrong. Tough!
As for grammar and spelling............

 

[The Light]

So you are saying that the trumpets and bowls all occur in one year? what about teh 3 1/2 year reign of antichrist as god and king of this earth?

Yes, the trumpets and bowls occur in the one-year wrath of God.

You need to understand, despite what is commonly taught, the tribulation is over before the wrath of God begins. They are not the same event. The Antichrist reign begins in the tribulation period. As I said, the 5th seal occurs during the great tribulation and the Antichrist receives his reign before that occurs.

 

[The Light]

I wiould love to see this. Many have trtied and failed in showing that teh trumpets and vials occur at teh same time.

The easiest way to show this is just understanding what you are reading. Look at the following verses.

Revelation 10
7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.

So when the seventh angel begins to sound, the mystery of God is finished. That means when the seventh trumpet sounds, it is over. When we look at Revelation 11 all we need is a little common sense. The Word says the kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord and of His Christ, and He shall reign for ever and ever. That means that Christ has returned and Armageddon has already happened. The kingdoms of the world are become the kingdoms of our Lord. If Armageddon has already happened, we don't need a second Armageddon in the bpwls. The trumpet and bowls are the same timeframe.

Revelation 11
15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

Especially in light of the fact that the results of the trumpets are different than the results of the vials.

True that there are different results between the trumpets and bowls but notice that the object of the trumpets and bowls are the same.

The object of the wrath is on the earth.
Revelation 8
7 The first angel sounded, and there followed hail and fire mingled with blood, and they were cast upon the earth: and the third part of trees was burnt up, and all green grass was burnt up.

Revelation 16
2 And the first went, and poured out his vial upon the earth; and there fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the men which had the mark of the beast, and upon them which worshipped his image.

The object of wrath is the sea.
Revelation 8
8 And the second angel sounded, and as it were a great mountain burning with fire was cast into the sea: and the third part of the sea became blood;
9 And the third part of the creatures which were in the sea, and had life, died; and the third part of the ships were destroyed.

Revelation 16
3 And the second angel poured out his vial upon the sea; and it became as the blood of a dead man: and every living soul died in the sea.


The object of wrath is the rivers.
Revelation 8
10 And the third angel sounded, and there fell a great star from heaven, burning as it were a lamp, and it fell upon the third part of the rivers, and upon the fountains of waters;
11 And the name of the star is called Wormwood: and the third part of the waters became wormwood; and many men died of the waters, because they were made bitter.

Revelation 16
4 And the third angel poured out his vial upon the rivers and fountains of waters; and they became blood.


The object of wrath is the sun.
Revelation 8
12 And the fourth angel sounded, and the third part of the sun was smitten, and the third part of the moon, and the third part of the stars; so as the third part of them was darkened, and the day shone not for a third part of it, and the night likewise.

Revelation 16
8 And the fourth angel poured out his vial upon the sun; and power was given unto him to scorch men with fire.
9 And men were scorched with great heat, and blasphemed the name of God, which hath power over these plagues: and they repented not to give him glory.

The object of wrath is people.
Revelation 9
1 And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit.
2 And he opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit.
3 And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth: and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power.
4 And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.
5 And to them it was given that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented five months: and their torment was as the torment of a scorpion, when he striketh a man.
6 And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them.

Revelation 16
10 And the fifth angel poured out his vial upon the seat of the beast; and his kingdom was full of darkness; and they gnawed their tongues for pain,
11 And blasphemed the God of heaven because of their pains and their sores, and repented not of their deeds.


The object of wrath if the river Euphrates and Armageddon
Revelation 9
13 And the sixth angel sounded, and I heard a voice from the four horns of the golden altar which is before God,
14 Saying to the sixth angel which had the trumpet, Loose the four angels which are bound in the great river Euphrates.
15 And the four angels were loosed, which were prepared for an hour, and a day, and a month, and a year, for to slay the third part of men.
16 And the number of the army of the horsemen were two hundred thousand thousand: and I heard the number of them.
17 And thus I saw the horses in the vision, and them that sat on them, having breastplates of fire, and of jacinth, and brimstone: and the heads of the horses were as the heads of lions; and out of their mouths issued fire and smoke and brimstone.
18 By these three was the third part of men killed, by the fire, and by the smoke, and by the brimstone, which issued out of their mouths.

Revelation 16
12 And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.
13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.


The object of wrath is the end of wrath
Revelation 11
15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
16 And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God,
17 Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.
18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.
19 And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.

Revelation 16
17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.
18 And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great.
19 And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.
20 And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found.
21 And there fell upon men a great hail out of heaven, every stone about the weight of a talent: and men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail; for the plague thereof was exceeding great.

 

[The Light]

My point was that those terrible things have increased in number and intensity over the last Century.
Soon to really intensify when the Sixth Seal happens.

None of the seals are opened and will not be opened until the fullness of the Gentiles comes in.

 

[ewq1938]

As I said, the 5th seal occurs during the great tribulation and the Antichrist receives his reign before that occurs.

The events of the 5th seal happen before the GT. It speaks of deaths that will happen during the GT which is future to the events the seal presents.

 

[The Light]

The events of the 5th seal happen before the GT. It speaks of deaths that will happen during the GT which is future to the events the seal presents.

When the fifth seal is complete, the great tribulation will be over. Jesus returns when the 6th seal is opened, and it is NOT the returning at the 7th trumpet.

 

[ewq1938]

When the fifth seal is complete, the great tribulation will be over. Jesus returns when the 6th seal is opened, and it is NOT the returning at the 7th trumpet.

Jesus doesn't even leave heaven after opening the 6th seal. Who do you think opens the 7th seal?

 

[Keraz]

Still trying to make a metaphor into a literal doctrinal formula. Sad!

Psalms 90:4 and 2 Peter 3:8 are not metaphorical. They cite exact time periods.
The proof is on you to show what they do represent metaphorically and why God gave us that information.

Yes the 2 world wars are considered birth pangs. But you forget many other times when things were spinning out of control.

My point was that those terrible things have increased in number and intensity over the last Century.
Soon to really intensify when the Sixth Seal happens.

It could be a CME or it may not. You are being too haughty by saying it must be.

Since when was informing people of the likelihood of the Lord using a Coronal Mass Ejection; a 'haughty' warning?

Your reinterpreting Israel to mean the church is still wrong and will remain wrong through eternity.

Your inability to understand who it was that Jesus came to save and who are the Overcomers for God, is your serious misbelief.

You sir are treading on dangerous ground here!

I view your teachings as some good and all the rest as unscriptural error.
One of your errors is to judge your fellow brethren. James 3:1

YOu boast about your analysis and data but violate all the norms of Grammar God established to support your false conclusions.

I show you to be wrong. Tough!
As for grammar and spelling............

None of the seals are opened and will not be opened until the fullness of the Gentiles comes in.

Obviously wrong, by the fact of all the Christian martyrs since Stephen.

 

[The Light]

Obviously wrong, by the fact of all the Christian martyrs since Stephen.

Obviously? Steven is part of the Church and the dead in Christ will obviously be resurrected before the seals are opened.

 

[The Light]

Jesus doesn't even leave heaven after opening the 6th seal. Who do you think opens the 7th seal?

Jesus does leave heaven at the 6th seal.

Revelation 14
14 And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle.

15 And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and reap: for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe.

16 And he that sat on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth; and the earth was reaped.

17 And another angel came out of the temple which is in heaven, he also having a sharp sickle.

18 And another angel came out from the altar, which had power over fire; and cried with a loud cry to him that had the sharp sickle, saying, Thrust in thy sharp sickle, and gather the clusters of the vine of the earth; for her grapes are fully ripe.

19 And the angel thrust in his sickle into the earth, and gathered the vine of the earth, and cast it into the great winepress of the wrath of God.

Since we see a great multitude in heaven in Revelation 7 and they are around the throne and before the lamb, Jesus has obviously returned to heaven. This event occurs BEFORE the 7th seal is opened.

Revelation 7
9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;

 

[Keraz]

Obviously? Steven is part of the Church and the dead in Christ will obviously be resurrected before the seals are opened.

All of the Christians martyred commencing with Stephen, have their souls kept under the Altar in heaven.
But only the martyrs killed during the Great Trib, will be resurrected; when Jesus Returns. Revelation 20:4
The rest of the martyrs and all of the dead, Christians and the ungodly; must wait until the Judgment. Revelation 20:11-15

Nowhere is it stated that there will be a general resurrection when Jesus Returns, That is a wrong belief and cannot happen.

Jesus does leave heaven at the 6th seal.

Actually; Jesus is with us now - Spiritually. Matthew 28:20

But you are right in that He will be revealed to us Christians, ON EARTH; after the Sixth Seal worldwide disaster. 2 Thessalonians 1:6-10
We will see Him, as He stands on Mt Zion, to select the 144,000. Revelation 14:1

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Psalms 90:4 and 2 Peter 3:8 are not metaphorical. They cite exact time periods.
The proof is on you to show what they do represent metaphorically and why God gave us that information.

Both are talking about the timelessness of God. and Peter also shows the patience of God. The very fact that the construction uses the term "as" as I previously wrote here shows they are to be taken metaphorically! But don't take my word for it. Go to a grammar school english teacher and ask them.

My point was that those terrible things have increased in number and intensity over the last Century.
Soon to really intensify when the Sixth Seal happens.

Well as the first 5 seals have yet to happen, we still have time to be about the Masters business.

Since when was informing people of the likelihood of the Lord using a Coronal Mass Ejection; a 'haughty' warning?

When you on your own construct it as a given fact and not just your best opinion that is when.

Your inability to understand who it was that Jesus came to save and who are the Overcomers for God, is your serious misbelief.

No I fully understand that Jesus came first and foremost to save Israel as a nation as her Messiah. I also understand that all who are saved members of the church are the overcomers.

But I also accept as literal the promises of God to Israel in the OT, that they would be punished, dispersed, regathered, judged, purged and then saved in the waning days of the tribulation and given rule under Jesus of the Millenial kingdom. I do not rewrite these passages to mean the church as you do. The church has an entirely different position and dispensation in the milleniul kingdom

I view your teachings as some good and all the rest as unscriptural error.
One of your errors is to judge your fellow brethren. James 3:1

Well I never claimed to be your master. You can consider anything you wish, but you cannot refute me biblically. And I judge what you write and say and give the warnings found in SCripture inlove to get you to repent of these allegorical reinterpretations of Scripture.

I show you to be wrong. Tough!
As for grammar and spelling............

You show me wrong, by your opinions and not Scripture. Yes my spelling is atrocious. My grammar is not the best, but for you to reject teh rules of grammar because mine is less than perfect is foolish.

Obviously wrong, by the fact of all the Christian martyrs since Stephen.

Okay let us give you the benefit of the doubt. When did their souls cry from under the altar!

Show when the first four seals were opened. Especially by Scripture explain who the rider on the white horse is.

But you are right in that He will be revealed to us Christians, ON EARTH; after the Sixth Seal worldwide disaster. 2 Thessalonians 1:6-10
We will see Him, as He stands on Mt Zion, to select the 144,000. Revelation 14:1

So Jesus returns before the events of REv. 19?

He is physically here, selects the 144,000 seals them for service and then sits here while the antichrist does all his dastardly deeds and does nothing?

All of the Christians martyred commencing with Stephen, have their souls kept under the Altar in heaven.
But only the martyrs killed during the Great Trib, will be resurrected; when Jesus Returns. Revelation 20:4
The rest of the martyrs and all of the dead, Christians and the ungodly; must wait until the Judgment. Revelation 20:11-15

Nowhere is it stated that there will be a general resurrection when Jesus Returns, That is a wrong belief and cannot happen.

Wrong again! Because you reject the rapture, you have to allegorize away the fact that the entire church is in heaven in REv. 19 to marry Jesus! And that is after the seventh vial and long after the sixth seal! Unless of course you reject that the bride of Jesus is the church.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

You need to understand, despite what is commonly taught, the tribulation is over before the wrath of God begins. They are not the same event. The Antichrist reign begins in the tribulation period. As I said, the 5th seal occurs during the great tribulation and the Antichrist receives his reign before that occurs.

And your biblical proof? Even Jesus said that when we see the antichrist enter the temple then there will be great tribulation.

So according to your time frame: (where does it show that biblically BTW) God does the following:

Trumpets:

1. destroys just 1/3 of greenery
2. destroys 1/3 of fish and ships
3. Wormwood poisoning just 1/3 of the fresh waters.
4. Heavenly luminaries darkened by 1/3
5. Creatures from the abyss hurt all men but the 144,000
6. 1/3 of mankind killed by the 200,000,000
7. declaration that Jesus was given His kingship and the thunders in the heavenly temple.

Then after these have taken place the following also have to take place:

1. Grievous sores upon men
2. all seas and fish die not just 1/3
3. all fresh water dies not just 1/3
4. suns heat intensifies
5. a darkness that causes pain.
6. demons leaving the mouth of Satan, antichrist. and false prophet to call the kings of the earth to gather for the battle of teh great day of God Almighty
7. great seismic activity and hail that is enormous.

The tribulation is also known as the 70th week of Daniel! it is the last 7 years of human history before the Lord returns. IN the midst of that 7 years- Antichrist rises from the dead, enters the temple and ends the sacrificial system with the FP declaring He is the Messiah and ordering the mark- that is the final 3 1/2 years of history as John wrote. If you think differently you need to show biblically why you disagree.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

So when the seventh angel begins to sound, the mystery of God is finished. That means when the seventh trumpet sounds, it is over. When we look at Revelation 11 all we need is a little common sense. The Word says the kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord and of His Christ, and He shall reign for ever and ever. That means that Christ has returned and Armageddon has already happened. The kingdoms of the world are become the kingdoms of our Lord. If Armageddon has already happened, we don't need a second Armageddon in the bpwls. The trumpet and bowls are the same timeframe.

Revelation 11
15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

You are overreading this passage! all it says is the mystery of God is finished not the end of time and the Return of Jesus, that is you forcing the events of Rev. 19 into rev. 7.

Yes Satans right to rule is revoked and Jesus begins His rightful role as king of the earth. Normally that means He takes the throne, but no because the last 7 parts of the wrath of God have to be poured out on earth through the vials.

Remember Jesus returns and battles the antichrist at Petra all the way back to Jerusalem.

It takes time for the antichrist to marshal all the worlds armies together at Armageddon to prepare to fight the war of God Almighty.

 

[Keraz]

When you on your own construct it as a given fact and not just your best opinion that is when.

I have a list of 117 Bible Prophesies that describe the terrible Day of the Lord's vengeance and wrath and they can all be literally fulfilled by a Coronal Mass Ejection. There is no other natural event which can do what the Prophets say will happen on that sudden and shocking Day.

The Sixth Seal must be caused by a natural event, so as the godless peoples can continue on in their rejection of God.

You can consider anything you wish, but you cannot refute me biblically.

But I and others, do refute you with Bible proofs. You simply ignore them.
For example, Jesus said six times that people can and will never go to live in heaven. After the Millennium, God and therefore heaven, will come to us on earth. Revelation 21:1-7
You just keep on rattling on about the false 'rapture to heaven' rubbish. Expect to have to explain to God why you promoted such nonsense.

Okay let us give you the benefit of the doubt. When did their souls cry from under the altar!

Whenever God allows them to do so. Rev 6:10, Rev 19:1-8

Show when the first four seals were opened. Especially by Scripture explain who the rider on the white horse is.

Jesus opened the first Five Seals at His Ascension. Revelation 5:5-9,
Proved by the historical record of all those things having happened over the last nearly 2000 years. They could hardly have been much worse.

The Four horsemen are simply symbolic of what God will allow to happen as described. Jesus will Return, riding on a Spiritual horse.

He is physically here, selects the 144,000 seals them for service and then sits here while the antichrist does all his dastardly deeds and does nothing?

Both Jesus and the Shekinah glory of God in the Temple, will withdraw from the earth during the 3 1/2 years allowed for Satan to have world control. Rev 11:2
This is shown to us in Revelation 12:7-10. where Satan comes down to the earth and Jesus is proclaimed King in heaven. Then after the 42 months, Jesus will Return to take up His rule.

the fact that the entire church is in heaven in REv. 19 to marry Jesus!

This is gross error and shocking false teaching. You really show your wrong beliefs, when you add to Revelation 19:5-9
The place for the Marriage Supper is not mentioned, but it has to be on earth; after Satan is chained up, Rev 20:1-3, and after Jesus has Returned.

 

[robert derrick]

Revelation 8:1 When the Lamb broke the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven for about a half hour.

We are clearly told that the ‘about a half hour’, is in heaven. Time in heaven is not and cannot be the same as earthly time, heaven doesn’t rotate or orbit the sun.

This is a good point. There is no earthly time of a half hour in heaven.

Therefore, the silence in heaven will be for a half hour on earth.

The same for them serving God at His throne day and night, is earthly days and nights.

Only on the new earth, will time with God become earthly time.

Not counting His time on earth in the flesh, of course.

The Gog Magog attack and 7 years clean up. The treaty with the Anti-Christ, the AoD in the new Temple and 3½ years of the Great Tribulation. Then the glorious Return.

Gog Magog is after a thousand years of Christ's Millennium on earth expires, which thousand years begins with His glorious second coming.

However, what happens on earth after the fire of God devours Gog and Magog, is open to interpretation, since that is not necessarily the fulfillment of 2 Peter 3.

It could be, but when the elements of the heavens and earth itself being dissolved, is not specifically made known in Scripture.

THey will flee away from the face of God, before the rest of the dead are judged to be in the Lamb's book of life, or cast into the LOF.

 

[robert derrick]

You are overreading this passage! all it says is the mystery of God is finished not the end of time and the Return of Jesus, that is you forcing the events of Rev. 19 into rev. 7.

True.

Remember Jesus returns and battles the antichrist at Petra all the way back to Jerusalem.

True. You mean Armageddon?

It takes time for the antichrist to marshal all the worlds armies together at Armageddon to prepare to fight the war of God Almighty.

True. I believe that will be after the ascension of the church to meet Jesus in the air.

The beast at that time must cease making war with the saints on earth, so that all the armies gather to make war with the Lamb Himself in the air.

That is when tribulation and wrath of man upon the righteous, ends on earth, the greatest tribulation and wrath of God on the unbelieving will begin for a short time.