Who is the Antichrist? Let's Put a Name on Him.

[Enoch111]

The Antichrist is neither Jewish, nor Roman.

The Antichrist must be a RENEGADE JEW in order to fulfil Bible prophecy. Otherwise he could not enter the temple at Jerusalem. But not only will he enter, but after entering he will claim to be God and Christ. Then he will set up the Abomination of Desolation in the Holy Place and cause the whole world to worship him and the image.

 

[Dropship]

Not remotely close to a match. Never read Rev 17 which explains the horns and heads? HINT: they aren't parts of an explosion.

Think 'analogy/ metaphor/ symbolic'..
Check this-
WIKI- "American and Russian nuclear arsenals contain inter-continental ballistic nuclear missiles of the "MIRV" variety- (Multiple Independently-targetable Re-entry Vehicles)"
What this means is that a single big rocket can carry up to 10 separate mini-nuke warheads which are released as the rocket approaches its target (a city etc) and fall to earth in a widely-scattered 'shotgun' pattern over the entire city area for maximum damage.
Some of these MIRVs can also be fired from submerged submarines.
"And I saw a beast coming out of the sea. He had ten horns and seven heads, with ten crowns on his horns, and on each head a blasphemous name" (Revelation 13:1)

Below: MIRV warheads-

 

[The Light]

So why then does John name and describe them differently and shows them having a different purpose?

The only four verses in the entire Bible that mentions antichrist are nothing like the sea beast of Revelation.

I don’t understand why so many Christians get so hung up on the antichrist being the sea beast of revelation

See post #71 and 72.

 

[Truth7t7]

*****CORRECTION*****
It has been brought to my attention that the man of sin is the beast of the earth and not the beast of the sea. It will not change the actual identities of these individuals. But the goal is to properly identify the characteristics and actions of each individual.

Correction: Your Wrong

 

[Truth7t7]

So why then does John name and describe them differently and shows them having a different purpose?

The only four verses in the entire Bible that mentions antichrist are nothing like the sea beast of Revelation.

I don’t understand why so many Christians get so hung up on the antichrist being the sea beast of revelation

Marty is playing the "Antichrist" name game again, I have explained it several times, as the word "The Antichrist" is a catch all phrase, and you know this Marty, why do you desire to play the name game over and over again?

"Antichrist" = Daniel's (Little Horn), Paul's (Man Of Sin), John's (The Beast), all the same future bad guy

 

[Truth7t7]

Well then, from what you have posted, are you one of the many presently in Satan's corner?

A False Suggestion In Defamation

Jesus Is The Lord

 

[Marty fox]

Marty is playing the "Antichrist" name game again, I have explained it several times, as the word "The Antichrist" is a catch all phrase, and you know this Marty, why do you desire to play the name game over and over again?

"Antichrist" = Daniel's (Little Horn), Paul's (Man Of Sin), John's (The Beast), all the same future bad guy

Because none of those you just named are the descriptions that John gives of antichrist.

The beast and the antichrist are different demonic beings assigned different tasks by satan. They influence and possess nations and their leaders. We learn how they work in Daniel chapter 10.

 

[Jay Ross]

A False Suggestion In Defamation

Jesus Is The Lord

Well, if your understanding is not in alignment with the scriptures, then who's corner are you really in then? There are many who Christ will say to them, I never knew you even though they said, "Lord, Lord."

 

[The Light]

Correction: Your Wrong

How so, Sitting Bull?

 

[ewq1938]

Because none of those you just named are the descriptions that John gives of antichrist.

John did not list the full and complete list of antichrist descriptions. As you should know, information is found in different books of the bible about any given subject. John called many people and one specific person as "antichrist" but that is not the only name or description of these people or person.

 

[Truth7t7]

Because none of those you just named are the descriptions that John gives of antichrist.

The beast and the antichrist are different demonic beings assigned different tasks by satan. They influence and possess nations and their leaders. We learn how they work in Daniel chapter 10.

Your claim is false "The Beast" will be a literal human man, that has a living physical body, that's thrown alive into the lake of fire, same guy seen in Daniel 7:11 below

Daniel 7:11KJV
11 I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame.

Revelation 13:18KJV
18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

Revelation 19:20KJV
20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

 

[Truth7t7]

There are many who Christ will say to them, I never knew you even though they said, "Lord, Lord."

That could very well be you

Jesus Is The Lord

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

The Antichrist is neither Jewish, nor Roman

See Post #76

 

[The Light]

See Post #76

Hi. Thanks for the post. It's not likely that the Antichrist will be Putin. Antichrist uses charisma and flattery. That does not sound like Putin.

 

[marks]

Hi. Thanks for the post. It's not likely that the Antichrist will be Putin. Antichrist uses charisma and flattery. That does not sound like Putin.

Have you done your "reveal" yet? Who is the Antichrist?

Much love!

 

[The Light]

Have you done your "reveal" yet? Who is the Antichrist?

Much love!

The plan was to reveal the man of sin. I thought that was the beast of the sea. Turns out that the man of sin is the beast of the earth. No matter. I'll continue on with the beast of the sea who is also an Antichrist. The beast of earth causes the world to worship the beast of the sea. This next verse will tell you who the beast of the sea is.

Point #7 The whole earth is at rest and the fir trees, and the cedars of Lebanon rejoice when he is laid down.

Isaiah 14
3 And it shall come to pass in the day that the Lord shall give thee rest from thy sorrow, and from thy fear, and from the hard bondage wherein thou wast made to serve,

4 That thou shalt take up this proverb against the king of Babylon, and say, How hath the oppressor ceased! the golden city ceased!

5 The Lord hath broken the staff of the wicked, and the sceptre of the rulers.

6 He who smote the people in wrath with a continual stroke, he that ruled the nations in anger, is persecuted, and none hindereth.

7 The whole earth is at rest, and is quiet: they break forth into singing.

8 Yea, the fir trees rejoice at thee, and the cedars of Lebanon, saying, Since thou art laid down, no feller is come up against us.

If you understand these verses, you will understand who the beast of the sea is, who was and is not and yet is.

Any guesses?

 

[robert derrick]

From history that tell us that the listed events in the Seventh Bowl has already happened. Oh, the use of "Earthquakes" for translation of "seiismos" from the Greek to English is wrong, it should have been translated as "Turmoil."

You must have another seal in mind. There is no verifiable history of a half hour of silence in heaven, nor the fire of the altar in heaven being cast down to the earth.

History however is full of voices, thunderings, lightnings, and earthquakes.

I made no such claim. The unfolding of the sixth bowl judgement ends with the judgement of the Kings of the earth at Armageddon for the trampling of God's Sanctuary and His Earthly Hosts over the past nearly 2,300-years, in conjunction with the heavenly hosts in heaven, Isaiah 24:21-22, after which the judged kings of the earth and the Heavenly Hosts will be imprisoned in the Bottomless pit for 1,000 years.

The angels that sinned are already in chains of hell, with the souls of many wicked, including those kings slaughtered at Armageddon.

And I don't specifically see those angels living again to be judged with them at the GWT.

Since Satan will be cast into the LOF beforehand, then it would be more likely that is when his angels will be too.

Paul tells us that after the completion of the time of the 2,300-years of the Gentiles, "that all of Israel will be saved." (Romans 11:25-26.)

I completely agree that all natural Israel, that are not judged as goats, will be with all the first newborn Christians on earth, at the beginning of Christ's Millennium.

And so, all natural Israel shall be grafted in again and saved, with all Israel of God grafted in from among all nations on earth.

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We are told that the False Prophet rises up out of the earth, i.e., the Bottomless Pit.

That is an addition of your own.

We are also told that the Beast rises up out of the Bottomless pit and will be captured with the beast and go to destruction

True. Both the beast and the false prophet will be cast into the LOF, while the Lord slays the rest of their followers, to die in their sin and go to hell.

Acts 10:42-43: - 42 And He commanded us to preach to the people, and to testify that it is He who was ordained by God to be Judge of the living and the dead. 43 To Him all the prophets witness that, through His name, whoever believes in Him will receive remission of sins."​

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Rev 20:11-15: - 11 Then I saw a great white throne and Him who sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away. And there was found no place for them. 12 And I saw the dead, small and great, standing before God, and books were opened. And another book was opened, which is the Book of Life. And the dead were judged according to their works, by the things which were written in the books. 13 The sea gave up the dead who were in it, and Death and Hades delivered up the dead who were in them. And they were judged, each one according to his works. 14 Then Death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. 15 And anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire.​

I still don't see anything in the Scripture, speaking of why we are not to watch for His coming today, when He tells us to do so.

Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.

Prophesying He will not come for over another thousand years, makes this warning useless, for at least the next thousand years.

And in fact, it teaches not to watch, nor even so much as think about it in our lifetime.

Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.

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NO, there is no scripture to support that Christ's rule of the earth during the Seventh Age will be from the face of the earth.

I believe all the prophecies that do, beginning with the first:

Arise, O God, judge the earth: for thou shalt inherit all nations.

Abraham will receive the land he walked on earth, as God promised His Friend, and Job will see it with his own eyes.

A simple count of the ages for mankind will indicate when the Seventh Age occurs. We are still in the Sixth Age of man's existence at present and the Seventh Age will begin in our near future.

I certainly agree that we are in the last days of man's rule on earth, before the Lord comes again to rule all the earth Himself.

In Luke 14:31-32 Christ tells of his judging of the Gentile Nations at Armageddon and the seeking by the Israelites of His terms of peace for them.

I've never heard Luke 14 being a prophecy of the Lord's coming again to judge the nations on earth.

However, the wisdom is correct, so that many count the cost and figure it's much better to hide under rocks, than to gather with the proud idiots at Armageddon.

Also, in the Mount of Olives discourse, Christ also spoke as to when God's Everlasting Kingdom would be established. Matt 24:32.

Christ's everlasting kingdom is spiritual in heaven and in the hearts of His saints:

Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:


For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.

We enter in now or never.

His Millennium kingdom on this earth only lasts a thousand years.

However, His kingdom on the new earth dwelling with man, is forever.

This is a man generated understanding, from my experience prevalent among the Pre-tribers.

Who would say this is Christ's Millennium rejected by the A-tribers.

Oh well, then is much supposed theological understanding that misleads for those who lack understanding.

True.

It is good that you say that you are seeking the truth of the matter.

I am seeking to understand what you teach, and Scripture to prove if it is true.


These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.

and i am still discovering the misconceptions that I am holding onto.

That is a noble sentiment, but I don't see any evidence of that, yet.

 

[robert derrick]

Nonono,

Beast 1:
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13 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.
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Beast 2:
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11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.

12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.
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The rider:
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3 So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.

4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:

5 And upon her forehead was a name written, Mystery, Babylon The Great, The Mother Of Harlots And Abominations Of The Earth.
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Beast 1: it is a beast made up of crowned heads
Beast 2: it is a beast that tries to look like a lamb (IE Jesus) but spreads the dragon's (Satan's) teachings
The rider: Babylon

In other words: the first beast is all the worldly governments, the second beast are the worldly churches. IE institutionalized Christianity with all its dogma, such as condemnation of non-Christians, and other such things. The worldly priests are used to legitimize governments. The spirit controlling both of them is Babylon.

Babylon stands in opposition to Israel. Babylon is worldliness, Israel is of the Father's world.

So, after considering, there are a couple problems with the first beast not being a single man.

Firstly, The number of that beast is the number of a men, not that of a nation, or of many men and nations.

But secondly, that beast is certain one man cast into the LOF with the false prophet. These two are separated from among the armies, which are then slain by the Lord, and go to hell in their sin.

And so, that one man may yet be a national or world ruler.

 

[robert derrick]

The plan was to reveal the man of sin. I thought that was the beast of the sea. Turns out that the man of sin is the beast of the earth. No matter. I'll continue on with the beast of the sea who is also an Antichrist. The beast of earth causes the world to worship the beast of the sea. This next verse will tell you who the beast of the sea is.

Point #7 The whole earth is at rest and the fir trees, and the cedars of Lebanon rejoice when he is laid down.

Isaiah 14
3 And it shall come to pass in the day that the Lord shall give thee rest from thy sorrow, and from thy fear, and from the hard bondage wherein thou wast made to serve,

4 That thou shalt take up this proverb against the king of Babylon, and say, How hath the oppressor ceased! the golden city ceased!

5 The Lord hath broken the staff of the wicked, and the sceptre of the rulers.

6 He who smote the people in wrath with a continual stroke, he that ruled the nations in anger, is persecuted, and none hindereth.

7 The whole earth is at rest, and is quiet: they break forth into singing.

8 Yea, the fir trees rejoice at thee, and the cedars of Lebanon, saying, Since thou art laid down, no feller is come up against us.

If you understand these verses, you will understand who the beast of the sea is, who was and is not and yet is.

Any guesses?

He's just another feller like us?

He certainly is just one man, though of sin.

 

[Jay Ross]

You must have another seal in mind. There is no verifiable history of a half hour of silence in heaven, nor the fire of the altar in heaven being cast down to the earth.

History however is full of voices, thunderings, lightnings, and earthquakes.



The angels that sinned are already in chains of hell, with the souls of many wicked, including those kings slaughtered at Armageddon.

And I don't specifically see those angels living again to be judged with them at the GWT.

Since Satan will be cast into the LOF beforehand, then it would be more likely that is when his angels will be too.


I completely agree that all natural Israel, that are not judged as goats, will be with all the first newborn Christians on earth, at the beginning of Christ's Millennium.

And so, all natural Israel shall be grafted in again and saved, with all Israel of God grafted in from among all nations on earth.



That is an addition of your own.


True. Both the beast and the false prophet will be cast into the LOF, while the Lord slays the rest of their followers, to die in their sin and go to hell.



I still don't see anything in the Scripture, speaking of why we are not to watch for His coming today, when He tells us to do so.

Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.

Prophesying He will not come for over another thousand years, makes this warning useless, for at least the next thousand years.

And in fact, it teaches not to watch, nor even so much as think about it in our lifetime.

Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.



I believe all the prophecies that do, beginning with the first:

Arise, O God, judge the earth: for thou shalt inherit all nations.

Abraham will receive the land he walked on earth, as God promised His Friend, and Job will see it with his own eyes.

I certainly agree that we are in the last days of man's rule on earth, before the Lord comes again to rule all the earth Himself.




I've never heard Luke 14 being a prophecy of the Lord's coming again to judge the nations on earth.

However, the wisdom is correct, so that many count the cost and figure it's much better to hide under rocks, than to gather with the proud idiots at Armageddon.


Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:


For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.

We enter in now or never.

His Millennium kingdom on this earth only lasts a thousand years.

However, His kingdom on the new earth dwelling with man, is forever.

Who would say this is Christ's Millennium rejected by the A-tribers.


True.


I am seeking to understand what you teach, and Scripture to prove if it is true.


These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.



That is a noble sentiment, but I don't see any evidence of that, yet.

Your responses seem to be to throw in misdirecting statements to bring about confusion as if I am saying something very different.

It seems to me that I am fighting a losing battle in helping you to understand what I have come to see in the scriptures.

When I wrote:

I too have had to unlearn a lot of flawed theological constructs that were not from the Lord to discover God's End Time Plans and I am still discovering the misconceptions that I am holding onto.

You responded with, "That is a noble sentiment, but I don't see any evidence of that, yet." That response is very judgemental on your part as if you believe that your understanding is correct.

You keep asking question for proof that I am "right" in my understanding, but you provide real evidence to expose my "errors" in your mind.

Good day Sir. May the Lord bring the Revelation that you desire, as I have no desire to continue this discourse. It has no benefit for myself.