Who is the Antichrist? Let's Put a Name on Him.

[Brakelite]

Do I understand that you are saying that the beast of the sea is the RCC?

Yes. I can offer you many proofs of you are interested.

 

[Brakelite]

I'm thinking that the second beast causes the world to worship the 1st beast and it is the 1st beast who adds to 666. Reread Revelation 13 and see what you think.

Good to see someone around here thinking.

Neither is the RCC.

Why not? To be so definitive I assume you have carefully studied why the reformers, and many Bible students since then, disagree with you. It would be interesting to know why you think they were all wrong.

Nope. The second beast is a man, a false prophet who works miracles to deceive people and his name adds up to 666.

You don't even know his name. Nor do you know what his mark is, and you really are only guessing at what you do know. Did you know for example that one very well accepted title that belongs only to the RCC , vicarious filli dei, adds up to 666?

 

[Brakelite]

Well, that is a given via 1938


Well, lets just say Rome, all of the Beasts were "Pagan", I think I know where this is headed, I always hear the same phrases about Pagan Rome by those who push the RCC angle, which is in error of course.


That is not what it means, 10 = Completion, the Ten Commandments are a stand in for God's complete laws. The 10 Plagues completed God's wrath on Egypt, the Church of Smyrna was to have tribulation for 10 days, which means for the complete Church Age. The 10 Virgin Brides means Complete Christendom etc. etc. etc. So, the 10 that the "Little Horn" is born amongst (into) simply means Complete Europe Reunited. They would not cleave or come together, as a single government like Rome, because God would not allow it, but after Israel was reborn in 1948, the Council of Rome came forth in like 1956 or 57, so they came together AND the Anti-Christ/Little Horn was born in the E.U. (in Greece) , its not that complicated, and it has nothing to do with the RCC.


Rome "The Beast" was taken down by the Church, we delivered the mortal wound to the "Beast System" in the Western World via the Gospel driving out the Pagan Cultures and eventually Rome under Constantine went from a Beast who came against the Church to a conveyor belt of the Gospel of Jesus Christ via the Pax Romanus. The Beast could not overcome the Church, Jesus told us the gates of hell will not overcome his church, so that is what took the Beast System down in Europe.


This is all made up bogus stuff from the cult the Worldwide Church of God via Herbert W. Armstrong. The 10 simply means Complete Europe reunited. Satan spins these tall tales all of the time. The Beast was a Gentile King EVERY TIME, nothing else. The RCC angle and the Islamic angle are both head fakes by Satan.


FIRST BEAST IS SEEN HERE:

Rev. 19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he(MAN) deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image(MAN). These both were cast alive into a lake of fire(The RCC is not ALIVE and CAST into hell) burning with brimstone.

Dan. 7:11 I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spakeThe Anti-Christ) I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame.

So, this Beast is a MAN not the RCC how do you guys go down these rabbit holes?

The 2nd Beast is also a MAN, he will be the False Prophet, a Jewish High Priest gone rogue.

Are you interested in truth, a real love for truth, and keen to learn? If so, then I am happy to offer some answers I believe you've never seen before that will fill in some serious gaps in your understanding, and create a line by line, precept by precept harmonious connected prophetic flow that one seen, is impossible to deny. If you are not interested, and believe you have all you need, I shall walk away. I don't want to teach and present information to people who don't care.

Council of Rome came forth in like 1956 or 57,

Club of Rome, starting with 6 nations. They had 10 by the early 70s, but that soon increased and I think they now have something like 25 or so. Let me give you a clue. OT prophecy was localized and literal. Babylon. Local. Persia, Greece, Rome, all local literal kingdoms. In the NT, this changed. Babylon, Israel, Egypt, etc became spiritual kingdoms with spiritual characteristics. Not only so, but instead of localized powers, prophecy speaks of global powers to come. Global, spiritual powers, like apostate protestantism and catholicism, and the final global remnant of God's people.
PS. My understanding does not come from Armstrong, but history. More if you want.

 

[The Light]

Yes. I can offer you many proofs of you are interested.

The RCC cannot be the beast. The woman that rides the beast dressed in purple and scarlet with a gold cup in her hand is the RCC. The great city, Vatican City, that reigns over the kings of the earth is destroyed by the 10 horns under the direction of the beast.

Revelation 14
16 And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire.

17 For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled.

18 And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.

 

[The Light]

**************Additional Fact #2***************
In 2003, one month before Gulf War2 the tomb of Gilgamesh was found.

 

[Mr E]

**************Additional Fact #2***************
In 2003, one month before Gulf War2 the tomb of Gilgamesh was found.

Here it comes...... 'There were giants on the earth in those days.....'

All this drama to pin the tail on Nimrod?

 

[The Light]

Here it comes...... 'There were giants on the earth in those days.....'

All this drama to pin the tail on Nimrod?

I said the tomb of Gilgamesh. How do you get Nimrod?

 

[Mr E]

I said the tomb of Gilgamesh. How do you get Nimrod?

Here's a quick primer--

 

[The Light]

Here's a quick primer--

Interesting. But does Nimrod check off the beast of the sea checklist?

Is he in the bottomless pit?
Was he a King of Babylon?
Was he an Assyrian?
Is his number 666?
And why would the fir trees and the cedars of Lebanon rejoice when he is laid down?
Did he have a deadly wound of the sword?

Does Nimrod fulfill any of these things?

 

[Mr E]

Interesting. But does Nimrod check off the beast of the sea checklist?

Is he in the bottomless pit?
Was he a King of Babylon?
Was he an Assyrian?
Is his number 666?
And why would the fir trees and the cedars of Lebanon rejoice when he is laid down?
Did he have a deadly wound of the sword?

Does Nimrod fulfill any of these things?

The Assyrian, or the image of the Assyrian is a picture of an empire-builder. One who establishes a kingdom by conquest (as opposed to inheritance). A mighty warrior-- a Gibbor, as the hebrew calls him- A mighty one. And this is the same language used as you associate to other kingdoms of the earth-- nations, governments, leaders, organizations that stand in oppostion to the Christ-kingdom. These are anti-Christ, kingdoms of the earth opposed to the kingdom of heaven. These are 'beast' kingdoms.

 

[Mr E]

Have you read the account from the book of Jasher? -It explains what is going on rather well.

Noah has a fancy coat. A mantel that he wears as a covering, but it's more than a covering. It's a symbol of authority. Wearing it means that you are the one in charge. You are the Lord of the land. -And this is no ordinary animal skin. This is the 'actual' garment that God gave Adam and Eve as the atonement covering when they fell from grace -- when they became flesh. Get the picture? Think silence of the lambs.

And the garments of skin which God made for Adam and his wife, when they went out of the garden, were given to Cush.
For after the death of Adam and his wife, the garments were given to Enoch, the son of Jared, and when Enoch was taken up to God, he gave them to Methuselah, his son.
And at the death of Methuselah, Noah took them and brought them to the ark, and they were with him until he went out of the ark.

And in their going out, Ham stole those garments from Noah his father, and he took them and hid them from his brothers.
And when Ham begat his first born Cush, he gave him the garments in secret, and they were with Cush many days.
And Cush also concealed them from his sons and brothers, and when Cush had begotten Nimrod, he gave him those garments through his love for him, and Nimrod grew up, and when he was twenty years old he put on those garments.

From Genesis 9- (my paraphrase)

Noah got drunk and left this most treasured possession unattended. He took off this garment and Ham stole it, usurping his authority. He never gave it back... he passed it on to his son and eventually it went into the hands of his grandson Nimrod who in wearing it became a mighty one, ruler, Lord over all the earth.

 

[The Light]

Have you read the account from the book of Jasher? -It explains what is going on rather well.

Noah has a fancy coat. A mantel that he wears as a covering, but it's more than a covering. It's a symbol of authority. Wearing it means that you are the one in charge. You are the Lord of the land. -And this is no ordinary animal skin. This is the 'actual' garment that God gave Adam and Eve as the atonement covering when they fell from grace -- when they became flesh. Get the picture? Think silence of the lambs.

And the garments of skin which God made for Adam and his wife, when they went out of the garden, were given to Cush.
For after the death of Adam and his wife, the garments were given to Enoch, the son of Jared, and when Enoch was taken up to God, he gave them to Methuselah, his son.
And at the death of Methuselah, Noah took them and brought them to the ark, and they were with him until he went out of the ark.

And in their going out, Ham stole those garments from Noah his father, and he took them and hid them from his brothers.
And when Ham begat his first born Cush, he gave him the garments in secret, and they were with Cush many days.
And Cush also concealed them from his sons and brothers, and when Cush had begotten Nimrod, he gave him those garments through his love for him, and Nimrod grew up, and when he was twenty years old he put on those garments.

From Genesis 9- (my paraphrase)

Noah got drunk and left this most treasured possession unattended. He took off this garment and Ham stole it, usurping his authority. He never gave it back... he passed it on to his son and eventually it went into the hands of his grandson Nimrod who in wearing it became a mighty one, ruler, Lord over all the earth.

Very interesting.

So if the beast of the sea is Nimrod, why would the fir trees and the cedars of Lebanon rejoice when he is laid down. Isn't Nimrod already laid down. And yet this rejoicing seems to come at the end of days. Can you explain that?

 

[Mr E]

Very interesting.

So if the beast of the sea is Nimrod, why would the fir trees and the cedars of Lebanon rejoice when he is laid down. Isn't Nimrod already laid down. And yet this rejoicing seems to come at the end of days. Can you explain that?

Because the beast from the sea is spirit. It is the spirit of the antichrist. Water is spirit. Earth is flesh.

It's what's in a man that counts.

 

[Truth7t7]

Well then, I assume you have an accurate prophetic and historically confirmed fulfillment of those 490 literal days yes? And I assume you agree with the historians and Bible scholars with 457BC as the beginning of that period, and you have worked out exactly what took place 70 years later, 387BC?

Daniel 9:24-27, Seventy Literal Weeks Explained "Future"?

Daniel's 70 weeks are literal 7 day periods, or 490 literal days.

If Daniel meant 490 years he would have written

(Four Hundred Ninety Years)

Daniel had no restrictions in "Writing" exact numerology as seen below.

Daniel 6:1KJV
It pleased Darius to set over the kingdom an hundred and twenty princes, which should be over the whole kingdom;

Daniel 8:14KJV
And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed.

Daniel 12:11KJV
And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.

Below in Daniel 10:2-3 we see just another example of Daniel's literal weeks, as Daniel mourned and fasted for 3 literal weeks or 21 days.

Daniel 10:2-3KJV
2 In those days I Daniel was mourning three full weeks.
3 I ate no pleasant bread, neither came flesh nor wine in my mouth, neither did I anoint myself at all, till three whole weeks were fulfilled.

Below in Daniel 9:24-27 we see 70 literal "Future" weeks or 490 days.

When the "Future" call/commandment goes out in Jerusalem to build unto the Jewish Meshiach/Messiah that they wait for (They Denied Jesus Christ) this will start the 7 week period in preparing to build.

62 literal weeks will be in building, and Meshiach/Messiah will be cut off by the armies surrounding Jerusalem, this stops the building.

The 70th literal week will see (The Antichrist) revealed in making a covenant, and in the middle of this literal week he proclaims to be Meshiach/Messiah God to the Jews, and Jesus returned to the apostate church, to start a Millennium on earth.

The 3.5 year tribulation starts at this time.

Daniel 9:24-27KJV
24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.
25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.
26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

 

[The Light]

Point #10 Jesus Tells the Jews in Matthew 24, if they say he is in the desert, or behold he is in the secret chambers, believe it not.

Matthew 24
24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

25 Behold, I have told you before.

26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.

Where did they find the tomb of Gilgamesh?

 

[ScottA]

It's going to be important very soon, for some to know who the Antichrist is.

Since I believe the Word tells us who the Antichrist is, it might be important to begin by identifying who He is not.

The Antichrist is neither Jewish, nor Roman.

Comments?

It is the..."Man of sin" 2 Thessalonians 2:3

Whoever "is without sin among you, let him" give his name.

 

[ewq1938]

You don't even know his name. Nor do you know what his mark is, and you really are only guessing at what you do know. Did you know for example that one very well accepted title that belongs only to the RCC , vicarious filli dei, adds up to 666?

Only if one assigns no value to 5 of the letters and only using numerical letters (latin numbers only)....no manipulation there at all!

 

[Brakelite]

Only if one assigns no value to 5 of the letters and only using numerical letters (latin numbers only)....no manipulation there at all!

Through most of its history, Latin has been the official language of the papacy. Today, at least ecclesiastically, it still is. Its most important works, like the sixteen Documents of Vatican II (1963–1965), the Catechism of the Catholic Church (1994), and the pontifical encyclicals are even these days written in it, with translations into English and other languages. For Christmas 2006, Benedict XVI celebrated mass in Latin. Admittedly its oral use has declined, and only a few of its priests can really speak it. Nevertheless, it is the language of the Roman Church. Vicarius Filii Dei, with a numerical value of 666, is a Latin name.
You can't apply Western English grammatical rules to ancient Roman Latin

 

[Mr E]

Point #10 Jesus Tells the Jews in Matthew 24, if they say he is in the desert, or behold he is in the secret chambers, believe it not.


Where did they find the tomb of Gilgamesh?

 

[The Light]

Point #10 Jesus Tells the Jews in Matthew 24, if they say he is in the desert, or behold he is in the secret chambers, believe it not.

Matthew 24
24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

25 Behold, I have told you before.

26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.

Where did they find the tomb of Gilgamesh?

In the desert, in the secret chamber?????