So then, do you believe in a harpadzo that will effect the gathering of a portion of those who are "In Christ"? Or do you understand the harpadzo to be catching up all who are "In Christ", as I do?
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The Sheep and the Goats
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I'm not sure what this has to do with projecting "escapism" on pre-tribbers . . .
And somehow you've assumed I think of Ezekiel as only pertaining to OT times?
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I didn't understand your answer.
Do you see this,
Matthew 25:31-33 KJV
31) When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
32) And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
33) And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
to be a prophecy of the same event as this,
Joel 3:1-2 KJV
1) For, behold, in those days, and in that time, when I shall bring again the captivity of Judah and Jerusalem,
2) I will also gather all nations, and will bring them down into the valley of Jehoshaphat, and will plead with them there for my people and for my heritage Israel, whom they have scattered among the nations, and parted my land.
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I'm not sure you are taking in what I'm saying.
I'm saying that according to Ephesians 2, Romans 4, various places, we are very plainly stated saved by grace through faith, and specifically not by works.
While at the same time, Jesus has prophesied a judgment that will divide righteous from wicked based specifically upon their works.
Aren't you, not me, but you, making them out to be Christians, these ones being determined whether they are righteous or not based on what they did, and did no, do?
I'm saying most emphatically that we who are "in Christ" are righteous by the imputation of Christ's righteousness, and by justification in rebirth, that is, being reborn in righteousness.
And I'm saying equally emphatically that Jesus prophesied that when He returns in glory, He will sit on His throne of glory, and the nations will be gathered, and He will divide them righteous from wicked based upon their works, with specific works in view.
In point of fact that's what the words and sayings of these Scriptures say, and what remains is whether we will believe them, or not, making them to mean something they don't actually say.
Not to put too fine a point on it!
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An interesting thing about this is . . . we can find passages that we can use to illustrate our various ideas, as there are so many different sorts of situations and whatnot in the Bible. However, IF we are to only build our doctrine on those types that are named as types, and of course the application is always given as well, we will find that will limit us to just certain ones.
In my view, I can comb through and find various passages, Enoch, the flood, Lot, various ways I can illustrate the pre-thlipsis harpadzo, but like I said, we can all do that.
And there is a tendency among some to define the New Covenant in the same terms as the Old Covenant, as if they were they same, but they are not.
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When Jesus returns, He sends His angels to gather the "Chosen". Then He takes His throne, and the Nations are gathered to Him. Jesus will separate them right and left depending on who did and did not provide for the needs of Jesus' "brothers".
Deuteronomy 7:6-8 KJV
6) For thou art an holy people unto the LORD thy God: the LORD thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth.
7) The LORD did not set his love upon you, nor choose you, because ye were more in number than any people; for ye were the fewest of all people:
8) But because the LORD loved you, and because he would keep the oath which he had sworn unto your fathers, hath the LORD brought you out with a mighty hand, and redeemed you out of the house of bondmen, from the hand of Pharaoh king of Egypt.
Deuteronomy 14:2 KJV
2) For thou art an holy people unto the LORD thy God, and the LORD hath chosen thee to be a peculiar people unto himself, above all the nations that are upon the earth.
Psalms 105:41-45 KJV
41) He opened the rock, and the waters gushed out; they ran in the dry places like a river.
42) For he remembered his holy promise, and Abraham his servant.
43) And he brought forth his people with joy, and his chosen with gladness:
44) And gave them the lands of the heathen: and they inherited the labour of the people;
45) That they might observe his statutes, and keep his laws. Praise ye the LORD.
Psalms 135:3-4 KJV
3) Praise the LORD; for the LORD is good: sing praises unto his name; for it is pleasant.
4) For the LORD hath chosen Jacob unto himself, and Israel for his peculiar treasure.
Isaiah 41:8-9 KJV
8) But thou, Israel, art my servant, Jacob whom I have chosen, the seed of Abraham my friend.
9) Thou whom I have taken from the ends of the earth, and called thee from the chief men thereof, and said unto thee, Thou art my servant; I have chosen thee, and not cast thee away.
Isaiah 44:1 KJV
1) Yet now hear, O Jacob my servant; and Israel, whom I have chosen:
Israel is the Elect Nation, chosen from among the other nations. And they knew that, it was all through the Holy Scriptures.
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Deuteronomy 7:6-8 KJV
6) For thou art an holy people unto the LORD thy God: the LORD thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth.
7) The LORD did not set his love upon you, nor choose you, because ye were more in number than any people; for ye were the fewest of all people:
8) But because the LORD loved you, and because he would keep the oath which he had sworn unto your fathers, hath the LORD brought you out with a mighty hand, and redeemed you out of the house of bondmen, from the hand of Pharaoh king of Egypt.
Deuteronomy 14:2 KJV
2) For thou art an holy people unto the LORD thy God, and the LORD hath chosen thee to be a peculiar people unto himself, above all the nations that are upon the earth.
Psalms 105:41-45 KJV
41) He opened the rock, and the waters gushed out; they ran in the dry places like a river.
42) For he remembered his holy promise, and Abraham his servant.
43) And he brought forth his people with joy, and his chosen with gladness:
44) And gave them the lands of the heathen: and they inherited the labour of the people;
45) That they might observe his statutes, and keep his laws. Praise ye the LORD.
Psalms 135:3-4 KJV
3) Praise the LORD; for the LORD is good: sing praises unto his name; for it is pleasant.
4) For the LORD hath chosen Jacob unto himself, and Israel for his peculiar treasure.
Isaiah 41:8-9 KJV
8) But thou, Israel, art my servant, Jacob whom I have chosen, the seed of Abraham my friend.
9) Thou whom I have taken from the ends of the earth, and called thee from the chief men thereof, and said unto thee, Thou art my servant; I have chosen thee, and not cast thee away.
Isaiah 44:1 KJV
1) Yet now hear, O Jacob my servant; and Israel, whom I have chosen:
Israel is the Elect Nation, chosen from among the other nations. And they knew that, it was all through the Holy Scriptures.
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The take-away here is, I think, that the separation of the sheep and goats according to their works, this is not a judgment of the one's who are saved by grace through faith, and not of works.
The Sheep are determined righteous having done these certain works. Those "in Christ" are righteous with that having been given them for faith in Christ.
We believe God, as Abraham, and that is counted to us for righteousness. And we are born of above, recreated in righteousness.
The sheep cared for the needs of Jesus' brothers, and for that, they are called righteous.
This seems a very clear distinction to me.
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The Joel 3 passage is better suited to the Luke 14:31-32 and Rev 16:14-16.
To understand the separation of the Sheep and the Goats we need to understand the differences between the Sheep and the Goats.
Sheep is often a metaphor used to describe the nation of Israel, whereas the Goat is a metaphor that is used to describe the Grecian Empire or gentiles.
What is the difference between the sheep and the Goats in this parable?
The sheep feed the poor etc., because it is on their heart to do so without a desire for a reward.
The Goats on the other hand are self-centred in that they always look for a reward in the things that they do.
Why is the parable about the separation of the Nations? Nations tend to have consistent characteristics in that the people of the nation either has a Hebraic understanding or a Grecian understanding.
The Separation of the Nations parable is all about the separation of the people who call God/Jesus Lord, Lord, who frequent the Churches of world with their shadow.
This parable has nothing to do with the judgement of the Gentiles for their acts of trampling God's Sanctuary or his earthly hosts. That is the Joel 3 prophecy.
You are barking up the wrong tree with your understanding of this parable.
To understand the separation of the Sheep and the Goats we need to understand the differences between the Sheep and the Goats.
Sheep is often a metaphor used to describe the nation of Israel, whereas the Goat is a metaphor that is used to describe the Grecian Empire or gentiles.
What is the difference between the sheep and the Goats in this parable?
The sheep feed the poor etc., because it is on their heart to do so without a desire for a reward.
The Goats on the other hand are self-centred in that they always look for a reward in the things that they do.
Why is the parable about the separation of the Nations? Nations tend to have consistent characteristics in that the people of the nation either has a Hebraic understanding or a Grecian understanding.
The Separation of the Nations parable is all about the separation of the people who call God/Jesus Lord, Lord, who frequent the Churches of world with their shadow.
This parable has nothing to do with the judgement of the Gentiles for their acts of trampling God's Sanctuary or his earthly hosts. That is the Joel 3 prophecy.
You are barking up the wrong tree with your understanding of this parable.
You call it parable, Jesus presents it as narrative prophecy. In calling it a parable, you can define it's terms as you will. As narrative prophecy, we're pretty much tied to what the words and such all actually say.
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You may be right their mark, but because the narrative prophecy is not being understood, I would suggest that the narrative is more in keeping with a parable.
But you are trying to direct the terms to the Joel 3 prophecy, which is a near future event associated with the Armageddon Judgement of the Nations, whereas the Separation of the Nations parable/prophecy as you want to label this portion of scripture is a distant future prophecy which is just over 1,000 years into our future.
Because you are looking at a near future fulfilment of the Separation of the Nations passage associated with the Mt of Olives narration, it ties nicely into the Pre-trib theology. However, the Wedding banquette parable is a near future event because of the redemption of Israel occurs in our near future. The Parable of the Talents is a parable that spans the 1,000 years that Satan is imprisoned in the Bottomless pit, when Satan empowers his good and faithful servants to be a hinderance during the time from the establishment of the Everlasting Kingdom of God in our near future, until the final judgement that occurs after the little while period when Satan, the Beasts and the Kings of the earth are released to do their thing and the Separation of the Nations Parable speaks about the final judgement at the end of the seventh age before the Age of Eternity.
If you see the Judgement of the Nations occurring in our near future, then your paradigm is all wrong and you understanding of the End Time prophecies is flawed.
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Aunty Jane
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This is I believe where your assumption goes off course.
Jesus was executed by the Jews who, as a nation, under the influence of their corrupt religious leaders, cried out for him to be put to death, and even cursed themselves and their children with Jesus' blood. (Matthew 27:25)
Christ's "brothers" are not those faithless Jews who had an innocent man murdered. Christ's "brothers" were his spirit anointed disciples...his "elect".....those chosen by God to rule with him in his Kingdom. (Rev 20:6) These, the Bible says, are "adopted as sons of God" so that they become Christ's "brothers". They are "the Israel of God"....spiritual Israel. (Gal 6:16)
Yes, that is true...but we are not talking about something foretold in Jesus' time...this is about the time of his return...the time we are living in right now.
Gathering the nations together from his vantage point, he can see exactly who are "sheep" and who are "goats"by how they have lived their lives in this "time of the end"....so what is the difference?
Paul said in 2 Thess 1:6-10...
"since indeed God considers it just to repay with affliction those who afflict you, 7 and to grant relief to you who are afflicted as well as to us, when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with his mighty angels 8 in flaming fire, inflicting vengeance on those who do not know God and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus. 9 They will suffer the punishment of eternal destruction, away from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of his might, 10 when he comes on that day to be glorified in his saints, and to be marveled at among all who have believed, because our testimony to you was believed."
There are two categories of people whom God will judge adversely through his appointed king, at the time for his impending judgment....
Jesus with his angelic forces will be paying back what was done to his disciples by those who, like the Jews of his day, were attacking the ones who taught the truth, but who were very different to those who claimed to worship the same God....those who were teaching the "commands of men as doctrines". (Matthew 15:7-9)
He will be "inflicting vengeance on those who do not know God and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus. 9 They will suffer the punishment of eternal destruction, away from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of his might"
So "those who do not know God" because they don't want to know him...and those who claim to know him, but who "do not obey" his teachings.....confirms that the separation is not just between two groups where God considers one group to be spiritually lost or "unclean". But its between "sheep and goats" which were often herded together by Jewish shepherds. It wasn't between "sheep and pigs" where God considered swine to be unclean for both eating and sacrifice....but 'sheep and goats' were both classed as "clean" animals. What does this tell us?
That not all who purport to be "sheep" really are......they are actually "goats" pretending to be sheep....even fooling themselves.
Something about the parable of the 10 virgins that Jesus also spoke about, seems to fit in here.......in spite of all the virgins being invited to the marriage feast, only half of the virgins had extra oil for their lamps in case the bridegroom was delayed. The foolish ones were forced to go and find some oil to buy, but found that they were locked out. All "fell asleep" however. What was the difference? Preparation. The wise virgins prepared for any eventuality, whereas the foolish ones just planned their evening around the assurance that the bridegroom would be arriving at a reasonable hour...so, no need for extra oil. How would they have felt to be locked out?
We get some idea from Jesus' prophetic words at Matthew 7:21-23...
“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ 23 And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’"
Just claiming Jesus as our "Lord" doesn't mean that he considers us one of his disciples. His rejection with the words "I never knew you; depart from me you workers of lawlessness" will have a sting, somewhat like the virgins who were locked out of the marriage feast.....and with it will come the realization that they were considered by Jesus to be "goats", not "sheep"....and he will end their existence right there and then....sending them to the place where satan and his demons will eventually end up....."gehenna"...."the lake of fire" or eternal death. (Matt 25:41)
So just wearing the label doesn't make anyone a Christian.....it's a matter of what is in the heart, and whether we recognize Christ's "brothers" in order to be of assistance to them in the difficult period just before the judgment is carried out. (2 Tim 3:1-5)
Yes...they have to be found "doing the will of the Father"....not just talking about it....so what is "the will of the Father"?
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Agreed. The sheep goat judgment concerns the Great White Throne judgment of the nations. This is not the judgment of the house of God. If that were the case Jesus would have said...these YOUR brethren...not these MY brethren. So then they are judged by their righteous behaviour (or not) towards God's people (Jews AND Christians)....all who are associated with Christ.
Davy
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You should actually 'read' what I wrote about the difference on that between covenants. In old covenant times the nation of Israel considered themselves as a chosen nation unto God. The NEW COVENANT changed that, as now that applies to Christ's faithful Church.
Rom 11:22-23
22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in His goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.
23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again.
KJV
Those born of Israel are under that above condition just as the Gentiles are. And if you actually look back to Old Testament history, the Israelites that rebelled were not... always saved from their rebellion.
So really, I don't know where you're getting ideas about Christ's salvation based on 'seed', because that is not Biblical.
And looking at what Paul actually taught in Romans 11 about the Jews which God Himself blinded, and Paul pointing to all Israel being saved, that STILL ONLY APPLIES to those who come out of that 'spiritual blindness' to believe on Jesus Christ in final.
Once God removes their blindness at Christ's future coming, and those of them that still reject Him WILL... be "cut off", regardless of their birth of Israel.
Please don't use that "historical grammatical hermeneutic" with me. There is no such thing.
We are to endeavor to understand what is WRITTEN in God's Word, not what WE MAY THINK the writer WANTED to say. One could easily turn to secular philosophy away from God's Word with that kind of idea.
That is crazy. I'm surprised that you would even say something idiotic as that.
God gave us multiple scripture witnesses to verify a truth in His Word, and that is how we are to do it, letting God's Word interpret itself for us. We are not to toy around with trying to apply man's philosophy to it, for that is the devil's confusion. If someone doesn't understand a Bible passage, be assured, they have 'missed' study somewhere else in God's written Word that helps explain it. This is why we are study all of God's Word, and not bits n' pieces.
Davy
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That's how I took the idea of understanding each passage on its own first... before comparing to others, and then grasping the whole. I don't agree with that method.
The reality in true Bible study is that we often won't... be able to understand a specific scripture until we have... first found other Bible witnesses, and then compared them all together that will then form a proper interpretation of the initial scripture.
Davy
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The Greek word harpazo is translated to "caught up" in the KJV Bible. It is not always used about the day of Christ's coming to gather His faithful Church.
Do you recall Philip going up in the chariot of the Ethiopian who was reading from the Book of Isaiah, and was then baptized? Right after Philip baptized him, God translated Philip to another literal location on earth, the word harpazo being used.
And in 2 Cor.12 when Paul was speaking of one who was "caught up" to the third heaven, to Paradise, that word harpazo was used. I consider Apostle Paul was actually speaking of himself, as he was once stoned and left for dead, which points to a probable near death experience. So what part of Paul's being was "caught up" to the third heaven do you think? Paul said he didn't whether he was 'in the body', or 'out of the body', but that God knew. It was Paul's 'spirit' that was harpazo'ed, not his flesh.
Does all that give you a clue of how Greek harpazo is meant? It should.
Harpazo applied to Christ's coming to gather His faithful Church is linked to what happened in 2 Corinthians 12, with Paul's spirit being "caught up". That is what will happen on the day of Christ's future return in the clouds, Christ's faithful Church will be caught up to Him in their "spiritual body", their flesh being cast off (Paul's "changed" idea), and they will go with Jesus to Jerusalem on earth to begin His "thousand years" reign over the nations.
Davy
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Well, the Ezekiel 13 chapter is God pointing out specifically that He is against those who teach His people 'to fly' to save their souls. So what doctrine today is that do you think?
Ezek 13:18-20
18 And say, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Woe to the women that sew pillows to all armholes, and make kerchiefs upon the head of every stature to hunt souls! Will ye hunt the souls of My people, and will ye save the souls alive that come unto you?
19 And will ye pollute Me among My people for handfuls of barley and for pieces of bread, to slay the souls that should not die, and to save the souls alive that should not live, by your lying to my people that hear your lies?
20 Wherefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I am against your pillows, wherewith ye there hunt the souls to make them fly, and I will tear them from your arms, and will let the souls go, even the souls that ye hunt to make them fly.
KJV
The idea is about the prosperity ministries that promise things they cannot give, and about those who hunt the souls to make them fly, which is about ESCAPISM.
And the following places the 'setting' of this chapter being about the latter days...
Ezek 13:2-5
2 Son of man, prophesy against the prophets of Israel that prophesy, and say thou unto them that prophesy out of their own hearts, 'Hear ye the word of the LORD;
3 Thus saith the Lord GOD; Woe unto the foolish prophets, that follow their own spirit, and have seen nothing!
4 O Israel, thy prophets are like the foxes in the deserts.
5 Ye have not gone up into the gaps, neither made up the hedge for the house of Israel to stand in the battle in the day of the LORD.
KJV
"house of Israel" today = the historical Christian nations that accept The Gospel.
"the battle in the day of the LORD" = the final spiritual battle for this world, the "great tribulation" against Satan and his beast system.
"the day of the LORD" = the FINAL day of this present world, the day of Christ's coming to gather His Church.
Davy
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You are trying to do that Scripture isolation thing again. Now that I showed you the Revelation 22:14-15 Scripture, you cannot just bypass it, so you need to consider my post about that instead of wanting to just skip it...
Rev 22:14-15
14 Blessed are they that do His commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.
KJV
That "For without are..." phrase makes that 15th verse part of that 14th verse timing. What is that showing?
It is showing the time of Christ's future reign with His elect, the "thousand years" timing of Rev.20. In that Milennial reign, God's HOUSE (Milennial sanctuary) will be established here on earth, in the middle east. And flowing out from His House will be His River of the Waters of Life, with the many trees on either side of that River bearing their fruits, with the leaves as medicine for the healing of the nations.
So did you MISS that manifesting written in Ezekiel 47 about all that, God's House, the River, and Tree of Life manifesting during Christ's "thousand years" reign?
Why does the following only refer to a "remnant" of Israel being saved, and not all... Israel?
Jer 31:7
7 For thus saith the LORD; Sing with gladness for Jacob, and shout among the chief of the nations: publish ye, praise ye, and say, O LORD, save Thy people, the remnant of Israel.
KJV
Isa 10:21-22
21 The remnant shall return, even the remnant of Jacob, unto the mighty God.
22 For though Thy people Israel be as the sand of the sea, yet a remnant of them shall return: the consumption decreed shall overflow with righteousness.
KJV
Jer 23:3
3 And I will gather the remnant of My flock out of all countries whither I have driven them, and will bring them again to their folds; and they shall be fruitful and increase.
KJV
Jer 31:7-8
7 For thus saith the LORD; Sing with gladness for Jacob, and shout among the chief of the nations: publish ye, praise ye, and say, O LORD, save Thy people, the remnant of Israel.
8 Behold, I will bring them from the north country, and gather them from the coasts of the earth, and with them the blind and the lame, the woman with child and her that travaileth with child together: a great company shall return thither.
KJV
That pretty well cancels out any 'absolutism' ideas about ALL... the seed of Israel being gathered back to the holy land, now doesn't it? It means we have to be willing to accept what God has said in His Word, and not draw conclusions that goes outside His Word.
It's still like Apostle Paul taught in Romans 11, only IF... the seed of Israel do not remain in 'unbelief', then they will be gathered by Christ Jesus at the end as the above "remnant". Those of the seed of Israel that still REFUSE Jesus of Nazareth as The Christ will instead be "cut off", meaning NOT gathered.
ScottA
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I'm not sure I even follow what you have described...but Jesus' brothers that He was referring to, He clarified before His mother and His disciples, saying, "whoever does the will of My Father in heaven is My brother and sister and mother.”
In other words, He was not referring to Israel per se, but to any and all whom He had come for, including both folds, the Jews and the Gentiles according to the will of God.
Davy
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You are heeding a garbage teaching about the sheep and goats Message originating from a Judaizer.
Matt 25:34
34 Then shall the King say unto them on His right hand, "Come, ye blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
KJV
Who are those that the kingdom has been prepared for from the foundation of the world? Do you not remember New Testament Scripture like the following?
Eph 1:3-5
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, Who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:
4 According as He hath chosen us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love:
5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,
KJV
Rom 9:23-24
And that He might make known the riches of His glory on the vessels of mercy, which He had afore prepared unto glory,
24 Even us, whom He hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?
KJV
2 Thess 2:13
13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:
KJV
THOSE above are His "sheep" of that Matthew 25 Message. Who is that pointing directly to? To Christ's faithful Church.
(But some of the Judaizers that have crept into Christ's Church wrongly teach the separation of the sheep and goats is about the unsaved nations. Nope, not so. The "sheep" Christ places on His right hand represent His faithful Church of both believing Israelite and believing Gentile, together as one body to be gathered to the holy land.)
I pretty well explained that in the above per God's Word as written. Now whether you accept what is written, or heed some Judaizer false prophet, that's up to you.
Nope, that is NOT what Jesus is saying there in Matthew 25. Instead, what you are saying about it is what you picked up from some Judaizer convert.
You CANNOT say you believe we are justified and saved in Christ by Faith, and then apply those to whom the Kingdom has been prepared for from the foundation of the earth, as having their 'works' judged to save them. That is double-talk. And there's 'your' problem with that, because that is exactly the kind of thing you are saying, a salvation by works idea.
When Jesus comes, He will separate HIS faithful sheep from the wicked unsaved. And ONLY His 'sheep' will enter His Kingdom then. All the others, the goats He places on His left hand, are the wicked, and unbelieving. It's just like I showed you with the Revelation 22:14-15 Scripture, Christ's faithful Church are inside the gates of the holy city and have right to the Tree of Life in His Kingdom, while the wicked are outside the gates (that being Millennium timing).
Davy
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Thus what you are actually saying, is you don't understand the Ezekiel Scripture. That's OK, not that many grasp that the Ezekiel 40 through 48 chapters are all... future timing after Christ's future return.
