WAKE UP!!! Church pastors we are living in the days of the very near rapture!

[WPM]

Blindness is not attacking the messenger, it is stating FACT.

Before Revelation 14?

Revelation 5

Yes, it is attacking a fellow believer with a slur. That is all you have.

Where is the rapture in Rev 5?

 

[The Light]

Yes, it is attacking a fellow believer with a slur. That is all you have.

Where is the rapture in Rev 5?

We've already been through this. A common occurrence with you.

So you never did tell me how do you explain Jesus coming for the 144,000 in Revelation 14 if He only comes one time at the end of wrath.

 

[ewq1938]

Where He goes (heaven) we may be also. That is why there is a great multitude before the throne. That's in heaven.

You are adding "goes". The verse does not have that:

John 14
2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.

3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.


There is teh COMING, then receiving people and then it says "that where I am, there ye may be also". Where I am places Christ on the Earth not in heaven as there is no "goes" after the mention of his Coming. I remain correct that he is speaking about returning to the Earth and receiving people there so they are with Christ where he is which is the Earth. Adding to the verse as you have done is known as Eisegesis.

 

[The Light]

You are adding "goes". The verse does not have that:

John 14
2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.

3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.


There is teh COMING, then receiving people and then it says "that where I am, there ye may be also". Where I am places Christ on the Earth not in heaven as there is no "goes" after the mention of his Coming. I remain correct that he is speaking about returning to the Earth and receiving people there so they are with Christ where he is which is the Earth. Adding to the verse as you have done is known as Eisegesis.

When Jesus says, "I go" and when we talk about it, we say "he goes". I am adding nothing to scripture.

Let try some common sense. Jesus is on earth. He is leaving to go to heaven. That's where He is going. He is already on earth so for him to go, he leaves the earth for heaven. Simple.

Futher the proof is in the verse.

John 14
2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.

Our Father, who art in heaven. Does scripture guide your conclusions? You said, no one ever changes their minds. This is the second time you have the opportunity to agree with scripture and change the ill conceived conclusion you have made, Brother. You are just wrong. It's ok.

 

[ewq1938]

When Jesus says, "I go" and when we talk about it, we say "he goes". I am adding nothing to scripture.

The go part is BEFORE he COMES. That is the ascension and the second coming. There is no GO after he comes back in the verse. You are adding another GO after the COMING.

 

[The Light]

The go part is BEFORE he COMES. That is the ascension and the second coming. There is no GO after he comes back in the verse. You are adding another GO after the COMING.

The reason you do not understand Revelation is because you think that the 6th seal is the 7th trumpet. It's all because you see the words"thy wrath is come" at the end of the sixth seal and the 7th trumpet. Do you not see that there is a great multitude IN HEAVEN in Revelation 7? Do you not see that this multitude return to earth in Rev 19?

 

[ewq1938]

The reason you do not understand Revelation is because you think that the 6th seal is the 7th trumpet. It's all because you see the words"thy wrath is come" at the end of the sixth seal and the 7th trumpet. Do you not see that there is a great multitude IN HEAVEN in Revelation 7? Do you not see that this multitude return to earth in Rev 19?

This is called a red herring fallacy, basically changing the subject. You added a second going concept to the other passage and you should address that.

 

[Truth7t7]

That doesn't sound correct. Jesus will collect the people he collects, whether or not they think the end is near is irrelevant. Perhaps you're trying to persuade people to believe you by telling them if they don't believe you they'll be left behind? That's kind of a fear tactic I think

Exactly, dispensationalism and the false pre-tribulation rapture is built upon and pushes "Fear"

So you can better understand the propaganda surrounding the pre-trib rapture, in the 70's-90's they created several low budget movies to display the pre-trib teaching, as people are raptured away, with Antichrist death squads seeking those that refuse the mark, no medical, food, run and hide!

These low budget propaganda movies pushing fear were played in churches across America on Friday/Saturday nights for "Decades"

The Rapture Propaganda Movies:

A Thief In The Night (1972)

A Distant Thunder (1978)

Image Of The Beast (1981)

 

[David in NJ]

Your choice!!! Reject the rapture and you get to stay behind==no fun!!!

Where did Jesus or the Apostles ever say this = "reject the rapture and get left behind?"

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Dear Brother in Christ,

Never overlook the seemingly mundane passages of Scripture that only come to Light as our LORD opens them up to us.

At that time, if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Christ!’ or ‘There He is!’ do not believe it. For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders that would deceive even the elect, if that were possible.
See, I have told you in advance. - Matthew ch24

So they asked Him, saying, “Teacher, but when will these things be? And what sign will there be when these things are about to take place?”
And He said: “Take heed that you not be deceived. For many will come in My name, saying, ‘I am He,’ and,
‘The time has drawn near.’ Therefore do not go after them. - Luke ch21

“Therefore if they say to you, ‘Look, He is in the desert!’ do not go out; or ‘Look, He is in the inner rooms!’ do not believe it. - Matthew 24:26

Those who follow the pre-rib rapture error are in danger since = "no lie is of the truth" - 1 John 2:21

Peace to you Today

This is not a fake rapture. Jesus doesn't return to earth at the rapture, but descends in to the atmosphere at most. Sorry, but you made a wrong application. Following the biblical pre trib rapture puts no believer in danger.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

It says he will perform miracles to deceive.


Rev 19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

2Th 2:9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

So show that he can whisk millions of people off the earth at once. Just because he can perform lying signs and wonders, doesn't mean he can fake the rapture of the church!

 

[David in NJ]

This is not a fake rapture. Jesus doesn't return to earth at the rapture, but descends in to the atmosphere at most. Sorry, but you made a wrong application. Following the biblical pre trib rapture puts no believer in danger.

You just misconstrued what i posted = bad

You just misconstrued what the Lord Jesus Christ told us for our benefit = VERY BAD

You just closed your heart/mind in unbelief = VERY VERY BAD

3 strikes your out

 

[Ronald Nolette]

You just misconstrued what i posted = bad

You just misconstrued what the Lord Jesus Christ told us for our benefit = VERY BAD

You just closed your heart/mind in unbelief = VERY VERY BAD

3 strikes your out

YOU posted your response into my asking what the fake rapture looked like. I can only construe it as you answering my question. Unless you started a new subject and hoped I would catch on.

No I did not miscontrue Jesus warning. those are about His return to earth, not HIs coming into teh atmosphere to catch up the church! Two different events.

YOu gave me absolutely nothing to cause me to reopen over 40 years of study.

 

[amigo de christo]

For the mystery of inquity is already at work ......
And it has led to an all out final hour delusion which is taking many captive to a lie .
All false religions as well as most all of christendom are submitting to its lie , its love , its unity .
The system is ready and great persecutions shall slam down through the digital system and its we are one love religion
as they gather themselves against the LAMB and his saints .
The one working this inquity has not been sleeping but rather has merged and continues to merge the secular with all religoins
to be as one under this false love god . To them it simply is GOD , but to the lambs we know it as the DRAGON and shall
have no part of its unity , its false love , no matter the cost to us . For our hope is in CHRIST JESUS
and we read the holy book called the bible by which if a man do he shall grow wise unto salvation through faith in Christ .

 

[David in NJ]

YOU posted your response into my asking what the fake rapture looked like. I can only construe it as you answering my question. Unless you started a new subject and hoped I would catch on.

No I did not miscontrue Jesus warning. those are about His return to earth, not HIs coming into teh atmosphere to catch up the church! Two different events.

YOu gave me absolutely nothing to cause me to reopen over 40 years of study.

Please read your post here, meditate on it and pray and ask the Lord to reveal to you what you just said.

Peace my Brother in Christ = we Eternal Blood Brothers you know.............

 

[amigo de christo]

The war against the LAMB and his saints has been raging for years upon years .
Tribulations have come against the saints since the days of paul
and now in this final hour it will be the worst ever seen as the world merges as one
as inquity and acceptance of inquity has risen to the point that now if a man even dares
to speak a word against certain sins , they are pushed out , demonized and worse this will get as laws continue to change .
To the lost they see this as the love solution , they believe they do gods service and that his will
is this universal love religion under this love god that brings them to be as one .
Only it aint GOD , its Christ aint CHRIST and yet those who loved the world , the cares and pleasures in this life
see this as the solution to have world peace and safety . The SOLUTION they will heed
even when the call comes to rid the earth of these non lovers , non comformers .
The digital system is ready , the world is ready , the darkness has blinded their eyes
and now they sit under a love that contradicts TRUTH , GOD and a light which is darkness . AND WOE
woe woe , if the light that is in one be darkness then GREAT IS that darkness .
Marvel not that this canbe . For even satan can appear as an angel of light , THOUGH HE BE DARKNESS
so marvel not when his men and women can appear to be righteous and yet be DECIEVED and DECIEVING .

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Please read your post here, meditate on it and pray and ask the Lord to reveal to you what you just said.

Peace my Brother in Christ = we Eternal Blood Brothers you know.............

Don't neeed to. YOu need to pray and seek forgiveness for your failed mind reading attempts.

If you were not posting about the rapture- simply say so.

If you were posting about a fake rapture- you do not know what teh rapture entails for you use verses that do not apply.

 

[amigo de christo]

Little children let no man decieve you . Let no man preach or give a false hope to any .
Be prepared to lose all for the sake of Christ . Seek not those whose hopes are in govts and men of this world .
For they do decieve . Trust not in men , in govts , TRUST ONLY IN GOD and IN HIS CHRIST .
And remember we are appointed unto tribulation and that through tribulation we must enter into the Kingdom of GOD .
JESUS will come for the lambs , but mark my words , ITS A ONE TIME EVENT .
We better read the bible for ourselves and stop allowing men to make us think there is this second chance stuff .
FOR ON THE DAY of the LORD all who had rejected HIM shall wail .
And that day is approaching my friends . It draws ever nigh . In this world ye shall have tribulations
but be ofgood cheer , JESUS OVERCAME THE WORLD , Our end is GOOD . Count the cost
and choose ye this day CHRIST no matter the cost of doing so .

 

[David in NJ]

Don't neeed to. YOu need to pray and seek forgiveness for your failed mind reading attempts.

If you were not posting about the rapture- simply say so.

If you were posting about a fake rapture- you do not know what teh rapture entails for you use verses that do not apply.

Forgiveness??? for telling you the Truth = lol

Your words Brother = compare your words to Christ's words = you have said vs He has said

However, if you are blinded by the pre-trib rapture lie then you will not SEE until the MoB is knocking at your doorstep.

 

[ewq1938]

So show that he can whisk millions of people off the earth at once. Just because he can perform lying signs and wonders, doesn't mean he can fake the rapture of the church!

Lying signs and wonders does mean a false christ/god can create a false rapture. Denial only makes it the more possible.