David in NJ
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#2 It is impossible(according to Scripture) for Rev 14:1 to be taking place on earth at this juncture in Revelation.Yes.
No. It is not evidence for a pretrib rapture as that has already occurred before the seals are opened. The seals are the final. Also, when Jesus comes for His Church, I don't believe He will touch the earth. He will remain in the clouds.
That 144,000 is the first fruits of the second harvest. Here is that harvest.
Revelation 14
14 And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle.
15 And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and reap: for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe.
16 And he that sat on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth; and the earth was reaped.
17 And another angel came out of the temple which is in heaven, he also having a sharp sickle.
18 And another angel came out from the altar, which had power over fire; and cried with a loud cry to him that had the sharp sickle, saying, Thrust in thy sharp sickle, and gather the clusters of the vine of the earth; for her grapes are fully ripe.
19 And the angel thrust in his sickle into the earth, and gathered the vine of the earth, and cast it into the great winepress of the wrath of God.
The Church is the wheat harvest. This second harvest is the fall fruit harvest. Since the first fruits are of the twelve tribes, we can be absolutley 100% sure that the majority of this harvest will be of the 12 tribes.
This harvest occurs at the 6th seal, before the wrath of God begins with the opening of the 7th seal.
Scripture confirms that the Lord Jesus Christ will descend from heaven and Return(Second Coming) to earth = Revelation ch19
This will ONLY take place when the Day of Jacob's Trouble reaches it fulfillment = Zechariah 14:1-5
Please read carefully Zech 14:1-5 confirms Revlation ch19 , 1 Thess , 2 Thess , Matt ch24 , Romans ch11