I could make the same statement of you were I so inclined, except, I realize that you have different understandings, not a rejection.
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WAKE UP!!! Church pastors we are living in the days of the very near rapture!
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David in NJ
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Any difference is either for or against Christ = so let's SEE what those differences are that you hold to
That's not me. In Christ there is neither Jew nor Gentile. That's an extremely important thing to remember.
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David in NJ
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Marks, i am always open to self-inspection in Light of the Scriptures
David in NJ
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Yeah but your not saying what's you on the Scriptures i posted that speak of Abraham's Seed and the People of God
@David in NJ
Do you know what "Dispensation" means Biblically speaking? It's translated from oikonomia, literally, house law. It refers to the management of a household in providing for the needs of the residents.
The KJV translators chose "dispensation", from it's root "dispense".
Grace unto salvation was dispensed by God's promise of descendants to Abraham.
Grace unto salvation was dispensed by God's covenant at Sinai with Israel to Israel.
Grace unto salvation is dispensed by God through the preaching of Christ to us.
And in the 70th week, God's dispensing of grace unto salvation will happen differently, and also in the Millennium.
Much love!
Do you know what "Dispensation" means Biblically speaking? It's translated from oikonomia, literally, house law. It refers to the management of a household in providing for the needs of the residents.
The KJV translators chose "dispensation", from it's root "dispense".
Grace unto salvation was dispensed by God's promise of descendants to Abraham.
Grace unto salvation was dispensed by God's covenant at Sinai with Israel to Israel.
Grace unto salvation is dispensed by God through the preaching of Christ to us.
And in the 70th week, God's dispensing of grace unto salvation will happen differently, and also in the Millennium.
Much love!
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The Light
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You have conveniently left out the qualifier of the passage - OF THY PEOPLE.
Again, you leave out the qualifier. This is the dead IN CHRIST. This speaks of the dead in the Church. This coming of Jesus OCCURS BEFORE THE SEALS ARE OPENED.
1 Thes 4
14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
Daniel 7:13-14 speaks of this event that occurs after the second Advent. This coming of Jesus OCCURS AT THE END OF WRATH.
Revelation 11
18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.
Daniel 12 speaks of yet another event. This coming of Jesus OCCURS BEFORE WRATH.
Revelation 14
14 And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle.
15 And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and reap: for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe.
16 And he that sat on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth; and the earth was reaped.
17 And another angel came out of the temple which is in heaven, he also having a sharp sickle.
18 And another angel came out from the altar, which had power over fire; and cried with a loud cry to him that had the sharp sickle, saying, Thrust in thy sharp sickle, and gather the clusters of the vine of the earth; for her grapes are fully ripe.
19 And the angel thrust in his sickle into the earth, and gathered the vine of the earth, and cast it into the great winepress of the wrath of God.
Much to learn you have.
See above. Or should I say, try to see above.
One Gospel is correct. You timing is in error. The Jews cannot see until the fullness of the Gentiles comes in. The 70th week of Daniel is about the people of Daniel. The Church is in heaven before the seals are opened.
The rapture of the Church occurs before the seals are opened. The FIG TREE HAS TWO HARVESTS. One harvest is represented by Noah in the ark 7 days before the flood. The harvest is represented by the days of Lot where the very day Lot left Sodom destruction came. One harvest occurs at the trump of God or voice of God and one harvest occurs at the last trump which is blown on the Feast of Trumpets. One harvest the Lord Himself comes as the bridegroom coming for bride and one harvest occurs when He sends His angels to gather the elect from heaven and earth.
You lack understanding if you call a rapture of the Church before the final week false. Study to show thyself approved.
Already did that long ago.
The Light
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God makes things very clear.
Hosea 9
10 I found Israel like grapes in the wilderness; I saw your fathers as the firstripe in the fig tree at her first time: but they went to Baalpeor, and separated themselves unto that shame; and their abominations were according as they loved.
God saw the fathers of Israel as the first fruits of the first harvest. However, they served other Gods and will now be the second harvest. The fig tree has TWO HARVESTS.
The eyes of the Israel are blinded
Romans 11
7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded.
8 (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear
unto this day.9 And David saith, Let their table be made a snare, and a trap, and a stumblingblock, and a recompence unto them:
10 Let their eyes be darkened, that they may not see, and bow down their back alway.
11 I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy.
Israel cannot see until the fullness of the Gentiles comes in.
Romans 11
25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
God has a plan. He tells us in the Word what will happen. Instead of believing the Word of God, many think that they have replaced Israel. Of course this teaching came about because there was no nation of Israel for close to 2000 years. But that all changed because God keeps His promises.
The first rapture is for the Church. The second rapture is for the seed of the woman. That is why there are 144,000 first fruits of the second harvest.
David in NJ
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Boy are you confused on Scripture.
No, you haven't annointed your eyes because you are believing a lie = pre-trib rapture
i am still waiting for the "pre-trib" rapture verses from Scripture.
Adding your words upon Scripture is sin.
Scripture says there is One Resurrection for the Just = Daniel 12:1-3 , 1 Thess 4:13-18 , Revelation 20:4-6
Scripture says there is ONLY ONE SEED from Abraham's SEED of FAITH = Galatians chapters 3 & 4 and Romans & Ephesians and 1 Peter
Heresy = Leah/NT Gentile Church , Rachel/NTJews Church
Heresy = more then One Body of Christ = see above Leah/Rachel
Heresy = pre-trib rapture
Heresy = Jesus was speaking to the Jews in Matt ch24 and not to His Body/Bride/Church
Heresy = Two Harvests = one for Jews one for Gentiles and/or pre-trib rapture and left behind Tribulation Saints
Heresy = Adding to and taking away from God's words to create false doctrine/teachings that oppose God's words
David in NJ
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i fully understand the course of HIS-STORY
The GRACE of God is the Same and has never changed.
By Grace we are saved thru Faith and it is not of works or of ourselves lest any man should boast.
This is the SAME GRACE that saved Noah , Job , Abraham , Isaac , Jacob , Joseph , Moses , David , Daniel continuing in us who Believe.
Genesis to Revelation is One Book with One Author = God's Word
How many Trees of Life are there?
No one was baptized into Christ's death before Jesus Christ died.
Do you agree or disagree?
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David in NJ
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How were the OT Saints saved?
Who was IAM that spoke to Moses?
Why does Jesus say: I am the God of Abraham , God of Isaac , God of Jacob. God is not the God of the dead but of the Living = Why?
To whom is the Scripture speaking to here - Jews or Gentiles or Other
For if that first covenant had been faultless, then no place would have been sought for a second. 8Because finding fault with them, He says: “Behold, the days are coming, says the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah— 9not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they did not continue in My covenant, and I disregarded them, says the Lord. 10For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My laws in their mind and write them on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. None of them shall teach his neighbor, and none his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ for all shall know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them.
12For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their lawless deeds I will remember no more.”
David in NJ
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Moreover, brethren, I do not want you to be unaware that all our fathers were under thetiorre cloud, all passed through the sea,
2all were baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea, 3all ate the same spiritual food, 4and all drank the same spiritual drink.
For they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them, and that Rock was Christ.
OT baptized into Moses/Law/Animal blood sacrifices
NT baptized into Christs death and Resurrection
OT & NT both were spoken to by Christ = In the Beginning was the Word....the Word was God.....the Word became Flesh
OT Animal blood cannot make the OT perfect/complete.
NT Christ's Blood we are complete in Him.
OT blood = foreshadow of Christ's Offering Himself
NT Blood = the Word in the Flesh
OT - Saved by Grace thru Faith in the Word
NT - Saved by Grace thru Faith in the Word
I'm sorry, did you answer my question? I couldn't find it.
Was anyone baptized into Jesus Christ's death before He died?
The answer is no, no one was. Right?
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David in NJ
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Your question was specifically and pin-point answered, by Scripture = OT/Moses , NT/Christ
To whom is this passage of Scripture speaking to: Jews , Gentiles or Other?
For if that first covenant had been faultless, then no place would have been sought for a second. 8Because finding fault with them, He says: “Behold, the days are coming, says the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah— 9not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they did not continue in My covenant, and I disregarded them, says the Lord. 10For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My laws in their mind and write them on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. None of them shall teach his neighbor, and none his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ for all shall know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them.
12For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their lawless deeds I will remember no more.”
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