A Galilean Wedding & the Second Coming ...

[Ronald David Bruno]

This is shocking to you?

The coming together as one is what the wedding is about. That's what makes you "married" -- the two become one.

Don't twist and assume what I implied.
I asked you about the order that you presented of the steps taken up to the marriage day. You put the feast and sleeping together before the marriage - haphazardly.

 

[ewq1938]

Really? Because YHWH said that He was wed to Israel, and divorced her, but said He would wed her again.

Let's see that so we can check it out.

Now, I realize the church is compared to being a bride, that this simile is used in several places, but the church is never actually said to be the bride, while Israel is.

The NT Israel is the bride and the church and the body of Christ. There is no separation.

Christians (the Church) are the bride/wife:

Eph 5:23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.
Eph 5:24 Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.
Eph 5:25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;
Eph 5:26 That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,
Eph 5:27 That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.
Eph 5:28 So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself.
Eph 5:29 For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church:
Eph 5:30 For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones.
Eph 5:31 For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh.
Eph 5:32 This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.

Here we are told plainly that the example of a man and his wife being of one flesh is about Christ and the church.


Rom 7:4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God


Here again it is Christians that will marry Christ who was raised from the dead.


2Co 11:2 For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.


Spoken to Christians, the church, being presented as Virgins in a spiritual sense.

The church is given a specific identification as the Body of Christ, not the bride, while still being compared to a bride.

The church is the bride and will be the wife.

 

[David in NJ]

Let's see that so we can check it out.





The NT Israel is the bride and the church and the body of Christ. There is no separation.

Christians (the Church) are the bride/wife:

Eph 5:23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.
Eph 5:24 Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.
Eph 5:25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;
Eph 5:26 That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,
Eph 5:27 That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.
Eph 5:28 So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself.
Eph 5:29 For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church:
Eph 5:30 For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones.
Eph 5:31 For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh.
Eph 5:32 This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.

Here we are told plainly that the example of a man and his wife being of one flesh is about Christ and the church.


Rom 7:4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God


Here again it is Christians that will marry Christ who was raised from the dead.


2Co 11:2 For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.


Spoken to Christians, the church, being presented as Virgins in a spiritual sense.







The church is the bride and will be the wife.

AMEN AMEN AMEN

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

Your own contradiction ="How can this be applicable to a marriage _ that hasn't taken place yet in a Galilean Wedding?

It was a rhetorical question - followed by the answer.

When the Bride is seated and lifted in the air to be joined to the Bridegroom who also is seated and lifted UP, they are joined together in their NEW Risen Life.

Now ask yourself, apart from the Galilean wedding = where and how does this take place for a Believer in Christ?

Answer is in Scripture and not the Galilean wedding = Scripture is where we should be looking....................

The groom isn't seated when He greets His Bride. Jesus comes in the clouds, already lifted up ... in the air!
1 Thes. 4:16-17; 1 Cor. 15:52

 

[David in NJ]

It was a rhetorical question - followed by the answer.

The groom isn't seated when He greets His Bride. Jesus comes in the clouds, already lifted up ... in the air!
1 Thes. 4:16-17; 1 Cor. 15:52

The Bride is with Christ NOW = TODAY = ALL who are in Christ = ALL who will Come to Christ = Matthew ch24

How is it that you cannot SEE this???
Revelation ch19
Let us be glad and rejoice and give Him glory, for the marriage of the Lamb has come, and His wife has made herself ready.”
8And to her it was granted to be arrayed in fine linen, clean and bright, for the fine linen is the righteous acts of the saints.

9Then he said to me, “Write: ‘Blessed are those who are called to the marriage supper of the Lamb!’ ” And he said to me, “These are the true sayings of God.”

Revelation ch22
I, Jesus, have sent My angel to testify to you these things in the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, the Bright and Morning Star.”
17And the Spirit and the Bride say, “Come!” And let him who hears say, “Come!”

 

[David in NJ]

It was a rhetorical question - followed by the answer.

The groom isn't seated when He greets His Bride. Jesus comes in the clouds, already lifted up ... in the air!
1 Thes. 4:16-17; 1 Cor. 15:52

The Groom is Seated NOW/TODAY with His Bride = Ephesians ch2

"and raised us up together, and made us sit together in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus",

 

[David in NJ]

It was a rhetorical question - followed by the answer.

The groom isn't seated when He greets His Bride. Jesus comes in the clouds, already lifted up ... in the air!
1 Thes. 4:16-17; 1 Cor. 15:52

Collosians 3:1-4
Therefore, since you have been raised with Christ, strive for the things above, where Christ is seated at the right hand of God.
2Set your minds on things above, not on earthly things.
3For you died, and your life is now hidden with Christ in God.
4When Christ, who is your life, appears, then you also will appear with Him in glory

There is never a separation of the knot that was tied.

 

[David in NJ]

It was a rhetorical question - followed by the answer.

The groom isn't seated when He greets His Bride. Jesus comes in the clouds, already lifted up ... in the air!
1 Thes. 4:16-17; 1 Cor. 15:52

TRUTH for he who has ears to hear what the Spirit says to the churches............

The Groom is not seated when HE Returns with His Wife for the Resurrection and remaining Saints.
Rev ch19 - Matt ch24 - 1 Thess 3:13 - 1 Thess 4:13-18 - 2 Thess ch2 - 1 John - Jude , James

 

[marks]

Collosians 3:1-4
Therefore, since you have been raised with Christ, strive for the things above, where Christ is seated at the right hand of God.
2Set your minds on things above, not on earthly things.
3For you died, and your life is now hidden with Christ in God.
4When Christ, who is your life, appears, then you also will appear with Him in glory

There is never a separation of the knot that was tied.

Amen!!!

The plain things!

Much love!

 

[David in NJ]

Amen!!!

The plain things!

Much love!

At that time the disciples came to Jesus, saying, “Who then is greatest in the kingdom of heaven?”

2Then Jesus called a little child to Him, set him in the midst of them, 3and said, “Assuredly, I say to you, unless you are converted and become as little children, you will by no means enter the kingdom of heaven. 4Therefore whoever humbles himself as this little child is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven.
5Whoever receives one little child like this in My name receives Me.

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

Do these contain the source material on this custom?

Much love!

I referenced the book that the Movie, "Before the Wrath", was based on and I saw a bibliography list of dozens of books. Information in a story is usually pieced together and gathered from many sources. I gave you old sources from that list. Sometimes I accept things readily and sometimes I have to dig deep if there is doubt. I actually agree that history books before the 60's were more rialble. There a revisionists today, trying to change history, even to revise the Bible and Jesus.
Which particular detail or details is causing a stumbling block for you?
Where did the concept of the Bride come from if not from a wedding? The Marriage Supper is there, the payment, the cup, the covenant, the unknown time, the lifting and carrying off to the Father's house ...
The Bible presents our relationship with Christ by using symbolic references to many facets of a marriage. It's symbolism that is not abstract - it's tangible.
I am not promoting a PRE-Trib. view. I am actually Mid-Trib/ Pre-wrath.
I am just sharing something I just recently discovered that made sense to me.

 

[marks]

The Bible presents our relationship with Christ by using symbolic references to many facets of a marriage. It's symbolism that is not abstract - it's tangible.

To me it's more like interpreting the Bible according to an history I've not been able to find authenticated. I mean something like Josephus, or some of the early church writers, something from the actual time.

As far as marriage relating to our relationship with God,

Ephesians 5:30-32 KJV
30) For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones.
31) For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh.
32) This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.

For this cause . . . what cause? We are members of His body, of His flesh, and of His bones. Because we are members of Christ's body, we marry our wives, becoming one flesh.

God separated Eve from Adam, so that in our joining together in marriage we see our joining with God in Christ.

Much love!

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

The Bride is with Christ NOW = TODAY = ALL who are in Christ = ALL who will Come to Christ = Matthew ch24

How is it that you cannot SEE this???

Spiritually, yes. In Christ, aware of our relationship, sanctified, but not yet glorified.
You didn't answer my question:
Since you are seated with Christ in Heaven describe to me what you see up there??? Last request, if you don't answer, our diaglogue done.
Btw the events in Revelation 7-22 haven't happened yet. So if you are an Amillennial, that will certainly end our discussion, even if you answer my question. So please identify yourself as well, Amillennial -- yes or no?

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

strive for the things above, where Christ is seated at the right hand of God.

Absolutely, because we are not there yet.

4When Christ, who is your life, appears, then you also will appear with Him in glory

Absolutely, when Jesus appears, we will be resurrected, (receive new bodies) and will be taken to heaven THEN you'll be able to describe what you see.

 

[David in NJ]

Spiritually, yes. In Christ, aware of our relationship, sanctified, but not yet glorified.
You didn't answer my question:
Since you are seated with Christ in Heaven describe to me what you see up there??? Last request, if you don't answer, our diaglogue done.
Btw the events in Revelation 7-22 haven't happened yet. So if you are an Amillennial, that will certainly end our discussion, even if you answer my question. So please identify yourself as well, Amillennial -- yes or no?

lol x100 - absolutely NOT amillenial

the Holy Scripture of Truth describes what we are to see UP There = "it is written"

the Holy Spirit becomes our eyes in Heaven where only the sanctified in Christ are permitted = John ch17

Correct - Rev chs 7-22 have not been fulfilled as yet.

What we are to SEE UP There was first spoken to us down here.

No one, can rightly Revelation unless we first receive "it is written" = that which was spoken before Revelation.

 

[David in NJ]

Spiritually, yes. In Christ, aware of our relationship, sanctified, but not yet glorified.
You didn't answer my question:
Since you are seated with Christ in Heaven describe to me what you see up there??? Last request, if you don't answer, our diaglogue done.
Btw the events in Revelation 7-22 haven't happened yet. So if you are an Amillennial, that will certainly end our discussion, even if you answer my question. So please identify yourself as well, Amillennial -- yes or no?

lol x100 - absolutely NOT amillenial

the Holy Scripture of Truth describes what we are to see UP There = "it is written"

the Holy Spirit becomes our eyes in Heaven where only the sanctified in Christ are permitted = John ch17

Correct - Rev chs 7-22 have not been fulfilled as yet.

What we are to SEE UP There was first spoken to us down here.

No one, can rightly discern Revelation unless we first receive "it is written" = that which was spoken before Revelation.

Absolutely, because we are not there yet.

Absolutely, when Jesus appears, we will be resurrected, (receive new bodies) and will be taken to heaven THEN you'll be able to describe what you see.

Well you have it half right = "Jesus appears, we will be resurrected, (receive new bodies)" = 1 Thess 4:13-18 , 1 Cor ch15 , 1 John

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

lol x100 - absolutely NOT amillenial

the Holy Scripture of Truth describes what we are to see UP There = "it is written"

the Holy Spirit becomes our eyes in Heaven where only the sanctified in Christ are permitted = John ch17

Correct - Rev chs 7-22 have not been fulfilled as yet.

What we are to SEE UP There was first spoken to us down here.

No one, can rightly Revelation unless we first receive "it is written" = that which was spoken before Revelation.

You are seated up there with Jesus on His throne, but you can't see anything? What does Jesus look like? Look to your left, you should see the Father. Can you? NO! Why? You are in His Spirit and His Spirit is in you, but you haven't been glorified yet. You haven't been given a ressurected body. But when you do receive one, you will finally see Heaven in detail, like you see today, but better. You will see all your loved ones and you will see Jesus face to face. If you cannot agree with that, then I guess we are done.

 

[David in NJ]

You are seated up there with Jesus on His throne, but you can't see anything? What does Jesus look like? Look to your left, you should see the Father. Can you? NO! Why? You are in His Spirit and His Spirit is in you, but you haven't been glorified yet. You haven't been given a ressurected body. But when you do receive one, you will finally see Heaven in detail, like you see today, but better. You will see all your loved ones and you will see Jesus face to face. If you cannot agree with that, then I guess we are done.

Brother - this is foolish talk from you and you should know better.....

Christ expects us to walk and speak in the Holy Spirit.

Jesus says: "these words I speak to you they are Spirit and they are Life - the flesh profits nothing - John ch6

You have the flesh going to Heaven BEFORE the Spirit.

Our spirit/soul is FIRST Resurrected from Death(John 3:5-8) - BEFORE the Transformation into NEW Glorified Bodies.

Behold what manner of love the Father has given to us, that we should be called sons of God. And that is what we are!
The reason the world does not know us is that it did not know Him.
2Beloved, we are now sons of God, and what we will be has not yet been revealed.
We know that when Christ appears, we will be like Him, for we will see Him as He is.
3And everyone who has this hope in Him purifies himself, just as Christ is pure.

 

[Always Believing]

A Galilean Marriage 2000 years ago … What does is represent?

This is what I love about Christians that have thoroughly studied things that I would never thought of doing myself.

The Bride; the Parable of the Ten Virgins, some being prepared and some not; the Groom coming “at an hour you do not expect”, “as a thief in the night”; that “only the Father knows the day and the hour”; that it will happen at night;

Which will make His appearing as shining lightning across the sky all the more brilliant!

“the trumpet will sound an alarm” and the bride is lifted up and carried away to the Father’s house, all were shadows and symbolic of Jesus Second Coming for the Church.

This is what many end-times teachers miss. The main first reason for coming again is for His church to meet Him in the air. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.

A “cup of joy’ (wine) is shared and given to the Bride, who has a choice to accept it or reject it. She says yes, The wine is drunk and the covenant is irrevocable.

So much for drinking wine is a sin. Maybe that's why they ran out of wine because of all the abstaining going on.

1 year betrothal agreement, a cup of wine shared and the groom promises not to drink of the wine until the marriage is consummated.

Now that is observant. But I say unto you, I will not drink henceforth of this fruit of the vine, until that day when I drink it new with you in my Father's kingdom. Is that also why He refused the alcoholic drink on the cross?

During this time, Bride and bridesmaids choose clothing and make dresses. This usually took months.

And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

The Groom builds or buys and prepares a new home for the bride and feast.

In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.

Close to the time, within a week of the estimated year timeframe, but without a specific date, the bride and bridesmaids would wait in their clothes day and night for the Shofar to sound. Neither the groom nor the bride would know the exact date, only the father.

Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh: So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.

In the middle of the night, the father would decide and notify the son to go get his bride!

But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

The Bride would hear the Shofar from a distance and go out and meet the groom and the bridesmaids nearby as well. The Bride would be placed in a seat, two men would lift her up in the air and carry her off to the wedding chamber in the Father’s house. *It was a chair on a stretcher like platform with two poles, one on each side.

The opposite of the dead son being carried to the grave in a stretcher.

It also sounds better than Lee Marvin and his bought bride in "Paint Your Wagon".

Once the Bride drinks the cup, the covenant is irrevocable = Once we have received Christ as our Lord and Savior, we believe and follow Him, our covenant with God is irrevocable, OSAS.

Oops. Lost me here. The covenant was always revocable based upon faithlessness.

And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.

But your analogy still holds, and shows why Jesus says fornication and not adultery. Thanks much. It applies to the engagement covenant period. Whenever I see this irrevocable talk, I get immediately suspicious that OSAS is just around the corner.

Bride and bridesmaids needed to have lamps and oil = The Ten Virgins , but only half were prepared = represents the Bride/Church, prepared, they have their oil (Holy spirit) for their lamps. The others (Jews at that time or later, as unbelieving Gentiles did not have the Holy Spirit and so were not allowed into the kingdom of heaven.

Unbelievers never have anything to do with the groom nor the bride. The unprepared virgins are Jews at His coming, and Christians at His coming again, that have not the Spirit, because they don't continue in the faith and obedience to Christ. Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied. His shedding and sprinkling of blood is not just to believe alone like the devils do, but to obey by faith. They are the spots in our feast of charity thinking the Lord delays His coming for too long. How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts. These be they who separate themselves, sensual, having not the Spirit.

The Father tells the son, “go get your Bride”, the Groom blows the trumpet to announce his coming, receives his bride , she is lifted up and carried off to the wedding chamber = “For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we shall always be with the Lord”. 1 Thes. 4 :16-17
The Bride is lifted up in the air and carried off to the Father's house = Rapture

Ascend into the air and then back down to earth first.

The Bride enters the wedding chamber and sees guests waiting = these are Old Testament saints in Heaven

That's good.

For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.


All the righteous since Abel will be standing on the earth in a moment of time together, and then will be caught up into the air to meet Him there at His return to the earth again with immortal bodies.

Wedding Feast = Marriage Supper (Rev.19:7-9)

Maybe in the air while the plagues of the Lord rain down upon the earth.

“Looking for the blessed hope and the appearing of our great God and Savior, Christ Jesus, Who gave Himself for us to redeem us from every lawless deed, and to purify for Himself a people for His own possession, zealous for good deeds.” Titut 2:13-14

Having therefore these promises, dearly beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God.

And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.

Only the chaste virgins that endure to overcome all temptation will be ready for His coming again.

Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time. Wherein ye greatly rejoice, though now for a season, if need be, ye are in heaviness through manifold temptations: That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perisheth, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ.

 

[Always Believing]

I've long tried to find this, what is the source on this historical wedding? I've never been able to find an historical source, only modern day commentaries.

Much love!

John 2. The Bible is the only book that is historically perfect.