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Speaking a lie is in violation of the Commandment - "thou shall not lie"

i follow the Risen Savior = Jesus the Christ and no lie has ever come out of His Mouth, therefore i trust HIM at His word.

The question is = do you?

The second question is = will you? will you completely trust the Loving Savior on His words and His alone?

This leads to the 3rd question = will you listen to the Word = Today, if you hear His Voice, harden not your heart

Notice = only saying 'yes Lord' to all 3 questions will lead you to Salvation where all your sins are washed away
And still no apology for your lie on what The Church teaches. It's pretty simple David. You lied about what The Church teaches. I am not saying or debating what your men have taught you about faith+works......I am asking you to just stop lying and apologize for that lie.
 

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Rom 10:
[9] That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

Are babies (of Catholic Parents) “confessing with their mouth the Lord Jesus”? Are those babies, believing in their heart, the Lord Jesus?

Does being a Catholic Parent of an infant mean the Parent is psychic to know what the infant believes in their heart? To know what the infant is saying without speaking?
Is that the only passage that talks about how to be saved? No, it is not.
 

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Faith without works is dead.
and works without Faith in CHRIST JESUS is death . Faith without works IS DEAD , but so too
is works without FAITH IN CHRIST . Francis might do well to learn the latter . Why on earth folks heed that man
is truly saddening . Giving false religoins hope in their own religoin , rather he just encourages us all to be one .
News flash , we cant serve the table of satan and of Christ . Those people in other religoins are lost
and thus NEED to hear that gosple and repent and beleive . ONLY popey doo says PROLESTIZING BAD
so do many in the protestant realm , so he aint alone on that . THEY ALL SOLD out to a lie which cannot save them
nor those who believe them . WE must preach JESUS . peter himself would call foul on that man .
Peter did quite a bit to get JESUS out to the people , and paul and the others did too .
But these leaders of today say < OH HUSH , no need to offend them , let us just gather with them and see what we have in common .
WE AINT GOT nothing in common with the world . Who cares about any of that . THEY NEED CHRIST JESUS
they NEED to BELIEVE ON HIM . PREACH THE GOSPEL AND DONT leave the good works undone .
But these men teach SHUT UP ABOUT JESUS and just do good , THAT IS FALSE . SHOULD have done both
 
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No more "Psychic" than the Jewish parents of the OT, who circumcised their 8-day-old infants to enter them to the COVENANT with God, Einstein.

Fact:
Hebrews and thereafter Tribes of Israel were INSTRUCTED to enter their infants INTO the COVENANT with God, Fulfilling THE parents PROMISE to RAISE their Children ACCORDING TO the Order and Way of Gods LAW.

THAT ^ IS “just one” of the Parallels: of the BIBLICAL STANDARDS and PRINCIPLES upon WHICH the Federation of United States WAS “established”.
( That EVERY ADULT being “granted” American Citizenship, ARE “by oath”, promising to ASSIMILATE and OBEY American LAWS and Raise their Children in the SAME manner.)

Fact:
Catholicism PREACHES a “SIMILAR” instruction, FOR Catholic Parents, TO make a PROMISE to the Catholic Church, TO Raise their Children, to ASSIMILATE and OBEY Catholic Doctrine, Rules, Rituals, etc.

Fact:
A Historical “christening” Of Catholic Parents, MAKING their Promise TO Raise their Children TO ASSIMILATE and OBEY Catholic Doctrine, Rules, Rituals, etc.

HAS BECOME CORRUPTED by its own Catholic Parents Congregates and the CORRUPTION Filters DOWN to the INFANTS who BECOME ADULTS and CONTINUE the CORRUPTION.
......AND YOU are a PRIME EXAMPLE....

*** YOU explicitly have stated, “You were HOLY SPIRIT BAPTIZED when you were an INFANT, completely UNAWARE of the Water Baptism your Parents consented to and your Priest performed.


*** THAT IS FALSE and CORRUPT!

*** You were NOT BAPTIZED by the Holy Spirit as an INFANT.
*** You were PLEDGED to the Church, by a PROMISE of your Parents TO RAISE YOU ACCORDING TO the CATHOLIC Doctrine, Rules, Rituals (Established BY MEN) of the Catholic Church.)

THAT IS NOT CHRIST JESUS’ Protocol, Order, Way, Offering, FOR an INDIVIDUAL to RECEIVE, Gods BAPTISM of the Holy Spirit.


*** the Catholic Church, has Offered “Christenings” of new born infants, BY the Parents Consent and Promise to RAISE UP their children ACCORDING TO the CATHOLIC Doctrine, Rules, Rituals!

*** the Catholic Church’, FOLLOWING protocol, ritual, IS: AFTER the Parents have MADE THEIR promise to “raise up their infant into an AGE of accountability”.... AND the Parents have FULFILLED their PROMISE....THAT THEIR ...”AGE appropriate Offspring”....MAKES THEIR OWN DECLARATION OF HEARTFUL BELIEF IN THE LORD GOD.

*** IN Catholic Doctrine; That EVENT and CEREMONY, is CALLED:
CONFORMATION. It is a Catholic recognized Ceremony of the OFFSPRING,
MAKING a PROMISE to the Catholic Church, THEY HEARTFULLY BELIEVE, IN the LORD GOD, and THEY THEMSELVES PROMISE TO Adhere TO: Catholic Doctrine, Rules, Rituals.

*** And ACCORDING TO Catholic Doctrine...”The AGE of ACCOUNTABILITY for an Offspring of a Catholic Parent to MAKE A Lifelong PROMISE...
VARIES between 5-16 years old!” More than OBVIOUS they are little children, NOT ADULTS, making an LIFELONG Commitment TO Christ Jesus and THE CATHOLIC Church.

***
Christ Jesus’ ORDER and WAY TO MAKE a COMMITMENT TO HIM...
IS NOT a scheduled RITUAL, of little children getting hyped up on the prospect of fancy new clothes and gifts and party of fun and games....
IF they WILL MAKE a LIFELONG COMMITMENT TO HEARTFULLY BELIEVING IN the Lord God.

*** An INDIVIDUAL MAKING a CONFESSED HEARTFUL COMMITMENT TO the Lord God, Comes AFTER the INDIVIDUAL HAS “HEARD”, “LEARNED”, “MATURED”, “VERIFIED” what he is “COMMITTING TO” is that which his “INDIVIDUAL HEART BELIEVES”.
( NOT a performance of a ritual and promise of new clothes, gifts and a party of fun and games....which is aptly and corruptly convincing for IMMATURE “mindful thinking” LITTLE CHILDREN to focus on and agree to participate.)

*** INFANTS being christened, in a Catholic Church, (now routinely called BAPTIZED with water), IS the Parents Promise to raise their children ACCORDING TO, Catholic Doctrine, Rules, RItuals.

*** Christ Jesus’ HOLY SPIRIT BAPTISM, IS; WHEN an INDIVIDUAL has HEARD, VERIFIES what he has HEARD “IS” TRUE, and HEARTFULLY BELIEVES what he has Heard and Verified “IS” TRUE, AND HEARTFULLY CONFESSES his BELIEF...THEN AT THAT MOMENT...that INDIVIDUAL BECOMES BAPTIZED by the HOLY SPIRIT OF GOD, ACCORDING TO Gods ORDER and WAY!

*** THAT individual AT THAT MOMENT, is “SUPERNATURALLY”, UNSEEN by HUMAN EYES, “ENTERED INTO Membership, “OF” Christ Jesus’ CHURCH and Citizenship “OF” Christ Jesus’ Household.”
* There IS NO PROMISE OF POMP and ENTICING (to a child's MIND) of new clothing, ritual, party, fun and games, tangible gifts.
* There IS A Promise the Lord God WILL FOREVER BE WITH that Individual, and that individual WILL FOREVER BE WITH the Lord God.
* There IS a Promise Men “OF” the World WILL, HATE YOU, Cause you Tribulations of OPPRESSION, INJUSTICE, TORMENTS, RIDICULE.

Seriously Were YOU taught at 5-6 yrs old, you were MAKING a Lifelong Commitment TO BE...HATED, oppressed, injustly treated, tormented, ridiculed?

Seriously Were YOU taught at, 5-6 yrs old, you were MAKING a LIFELONG Heartful commitment, and KNEW what that MEANT?

Seems pretty OBVIOUS WHAT your were TAUGHT...SINCE you yourself, CLAIMED .... WITHOUT your knowledge, WITHOUT your belief, WITHOUT your Confession.....You were Baptized WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT, as an Infant.


Which According to Gods ORDER and WAY....that IS FALSE.

The Lord Gods ORDER and WAY IS contingent UPON “IF”...


Rom 10:
[9] That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
[10] For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
 

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Is that the only passage that talks about how to be saved? No, it is not.
Cornelious . REMEMBER cornelious . HE actually worshipped the one true GOD of the jews .
HE did many good works , many good prayers , many alms to the poor .
So much in fact Those works came up as a remembrance before GOD .
That same man STILL had to hear words of peter , THE GOSPEL in order to BE SAVED . Dont let francis fool ya
nor the false protestant leaders who lie and say OH if one just does good , it dont matter if they atheist
buddist , muslim or whaterver they are saved and know God . NOT TRUE AT ALL .
IF ONE DENIES CHRIST , guess who they just DENIED .
IF ONE DENIES GOD , that aint GOOD NEWS and they sure aint saved either .
JOHN said it best . IF THEY do not believe the TESTIMONY that GOD gave OF HIS SON
they MAKE GOD A LIAR . last time i checked all liars go somewhere . all who loved a lie go to the lake of fire .
SO , lets not follow pope francis , kenneth copleand , rick warren nor scores and scores and scores of others
who do nothing but preach this false love that saves none . TRUE LOVE POINTS TO CHRIST .
 

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And still no apology for your lie on what The Church teaches. It's pretty simple David. You lied about what The Church teaches. I am not saying or debating what your men have taught you about faith+works......I am asking you to just stop lying and apologize for that lie.
myself being conceived as a Catholic from true Catholic parents
baptized a Catholic,
educated in Catholic School,
Confirmed a Catholic,
attending Mass a Catholic
receiving communion as a Catholic
praying to Mary as a Catholic
confessing my sin to a Catholic priest
doing penance as a Catholic
attending Ash Wednesday as a Catholic
singing joyfully at Christmas Mass a Catholic
and attending Easter Sunday a Catholic

ALL these things i walked in as a true Catholic for 23 years = yet i was not Born-Again by the Spirit of God

Jesus answered, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Do not marvel that I said to you, ‘You must be born again.’ The wind blows where it wishes, and you hear the sound of it, but cannot tell where it comes from and where it goes. So is everyone who is born of the Spirit.”

The SEED of the Word that was planted in my heart as a Catholic - that Christ died for my sins - did not come to Life until the Day came when that SEED was watered and cultivated with His Word, whereby HIS SPIRIT moved upon my dead spirit and i heard HIS VOICE saying:
Come to ME david and you will have Rest for your sin laden soul = I recieved HIS Word and HIS Holy Spirit and was Born-Again.

no man, no priest, no pope, no earthbound church of splender could give to me what only comes from God Above.

Do not be deceived, my beloved brethren. Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and comes down from the Father of lights, with whom there is no variation or shadow of turning.
Of His own will He brought us forth by the word of truth, that we might be a kind of firstfruits of His creatures.
 
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Is that the only passage that talks about how to be saved? No, it is not.

Rom. 10: 9, 10, 13
IS the Concise to the POINT Scriptural Teaching OF WHAT IS REQUIRED of “A MAN”, to become SAVED.

Of course Scripture DETAILS The Lord Gods WORKS IN A MAN, WHO accomplishes Rom. 10: 9, 10, 13

Pretending A man can confess for an other, IS FALSE.
Pretending A MINDFUL confession, IS a HEARTFUL confession, IS FALSE.
Enticing IMMATURE, Children with trinkets, IS CORRUPT.

Gods Word teaches to TEACH Children, SO THEY BECOME mature in the Word of God and Prepared TO MAKE their own “INFORMED” (According to Gods Order and Way) Confession of Belief.

Pretending LITTLE Children are Heartfully MATURE, according to A particular AGE is nonsense.
 
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Which church—that is, which denomination of Christianity—is the “true church”? Which church is the one that God loves and cherishes and died for? Which church is His bride?

The answer is that no visible church or denomination is the true church, because the bride of Christ is not an institution, but is instead a spiritual entity made up of those who have by grace through faith been brought into a close, intimate relationship with the Lord Jesus Christ. Those people, no matter which building, denomination, or country they happen to be in, constitute the true church.
Instead? The Church can't be BOTH an institution, AND a spiritual entity? You create a typical false dichotomy. The "invisible church theory" doesn't hold water. An invisible church can't bind and loose (a rabbinical term), among other things. A city set on a hill, a light of the world, is not invisible.
 
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Oh yes! All but your twisted interpretations of F, G, & H that you use to beat Catholics with.

You CONFUSE beating a Catholic WITH DISAGREEING with Catholic Teaching.
But....comically seem to comprehend “YOU” are not beating a Protestant, but merely “DISAGREEING”....

Nothing Hypocritical there....LOL!


They've been refuted a million times. Your reply has NOTHING to do with my post you quoted, which tells me you're stumped on post #125. Sadly, sometime later you will make the same error and say "Catholic" is not in the Bible because you are too proud to be corrected. That's why your reply is pathetically off the topic you quoted. If you're stumped the smart thing to do is not reply at all, instead of pretending to follow a discussion.

I am not STUMPED by Catholic “preaching”.
Much of “Catholic DOCTRINE” is in DIRECT VERIFIABLE Contrast to SCRIPTURAL TEACHING.

* Does your Church Erect STATUES in What is “supposedly” Gods House of Prayer...and BOW DOWN before those Statues? Yes.

* Does your Church Congregates BELIEVE their BABY Water Baptism, is their BABY Receiving the Baptism of the Holy Spirit? Some Catholics have said YES.

* Does your Church Teach to PRAY “TO” Saints ? Yes.

* Does your Church Teach Mary was mortally “SINLESS”? Yes.

* Does your Church Teach the ROCK of Christ Jesus’ Church IS a Moral man? Yes.

* Does your Church Teach a man MUST continue “DOING” Works TO KEEP his “supposed” Baptism of the Holy Spirit? Some Catholics have said YES.

Ya.....I disagree with YOUR Catholic Church’s Scripturally Verifiable False TEACHING.

Get over it. I am FREE to BELIEVE and SPEAK the Lords Word AND DISAGREE with your Scripturally Verifiable False Catholic teaching and your adherence to False Catholic teaching.
 
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It seems the topic of this thread is mislabeled eh?
Should rather read: What (or which) is the one true "denomination.'
The One True Church are those of us "Called OUT of the World!"
And Why were us gentiles who are of no people called out of the world?

Romans 10:
17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

18 But I say, Have they not heard? Yes verily, their sound went into all the earth, and their words unto the ends of the world.

19 But I say, Did not Israel know? First Moses saith, I will provoke you to jealousy by them that are no people, and by a foolish nation I will anger you.

20 But Esaias is very bold, and saith, I was found of them that sought me not; I was made manifest unto them that asked not after me.

21 But to Israel he saith, All day long I have stretched forth my hands unto a disobedient and gainsaying people.

The questions every "splinter" group aka denomination must ask of themselves is: "Is that which we are doing provoking Israel to jealousy?"

"Are we truly turning Israel to Jesus Christ of Nazareth to whom they rejected?"

And finally:
"Just HOW are we as gentiles SUPPOSED to accomplish such a seemingly impossible task?"

For these days are coming! For some? They have come already!

Isaiah 28:

5 In that day shall the Lord of hosts be for a crown of glory, and for a diadem of beauty, unto the residue of his people,

9 Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts.

13 But the word of the Lord was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little; that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken.

15 Because ye have said, We have made a covenant with death, and with hell are we at agreement; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, it shall not come unto us: for we have made lies our refuge, and under falsehood have we hid ourselves:

17 Judgment also will I lay to the line, and righteousness to the plummet: and the hail shall sweep away the refuge of lies, and the waters shall overflow the hiding place.

18 And your covenant with death shall be disannulled, and your agreement with hell shall not stand; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, then ye shall be trodden down by it.

19 From the time that it goeth forth it shall take you: for morning by morning shall it pass over, by day and by night: and it shall be a vexation only to understand the report.

20 For the bed is shorter than that a man can stretch himself on it: and the covering narrower than that he can wrap himself in it.

21 For the Lord shall rise up as in mount Perazim, he shall be wroth as in the valley of Gibeon, that he may do his work, his strange work; and bring to pass his act, his strange act.

29 This also cometh forth from the Lord of hosts, which is wonderful in counsel, and excellent in working.


What is being described here in verse 18 and following is what the next earth and heaven age will be like.

It is also the definition of the First resurrection.

Revelation 20:
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

What's strange in verse 21 of Isaiah 28 (above) is that this act being described is and has and shall be ascribed to those with (how can I say) weightier measures of faith?

Which causes me to think verses 5 and 6 in Revelation 20 have been switched around.

For how could there be Priests of God and Priests of Christ reigning with Christ before the "Millennia?"

Unless they are being prepped during this current "Age/Dispensation of Grace?"

(all Biblical references are from the KJV)
Your ending question: "For how could there be Priests of God and Priests of Christ reigning with Christ before the "Millennia?"

Is answered in Gospel of John chapters 14 thru 17
 

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It seems the topic of this thread is mislabeled eh?
Should rather read: What (or which) is the one true "denomination.'
The One True Church are those of us "Called OUT of the World!"
And Why were us gentiles who are of no people called out of the world?

Romans 10:
17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

18 But I say, Have they not heard? Yes verily, their sound went into all the earth, and their words unto the ends of the world.

19 But I say, Did not Israel know? First Moses saith, I will provoke you to jealousy by them that are no people, and by a foolish nation I will anger you.

20 But Esaias is very bold, and saith, I was found of them that sought me not; I was made manifest unto them that asked not after me.

21 But to Israel he saith, All day long I have stretched forth my hands unto a disobedient and gainsaying people.

The questions every "splinter" group aka denomination must ask of themselves is: "Is that which we are doing provoking Israel to jealousy?"

"Are we truly turning Israel to Jesus Christ of Nazareth to whom they rejected?"

And finally:
"Just HOW are we as gentiles SUPPOSED to accomplish such a seemingly impossible task?"

For these days are coming! For some? They have come already!

Isaiah 28:

5 In that day shall the Lord of hosts be for a crown of glory, and for a diadem of beauty, unto the residue of his people,

9 Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts.

13 But the word of the Lord was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little; that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken.

15 Because ye have said, We have made a covenant with death, and with hell are we at agreement; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, it shall not come unto us: for we have made lies our refuge, and under falsehood have we hid ourselves:

17 Judgment also will I lay to the line, and righteousness to the plummet: and the hail shall sweep away the refuge of lies, and the waters shall overflow the hiding place.

18 And your covenant with death shall be disannulled, and your agreement with hell shall not stand; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, then ye shall be trodden down by it.

19 From the time that it goeth forth it shall take you: for morning by morning shall it pass over, by day and by night: and it shall be a vexation only to understand the report.

20 For the bed is shorter than that a man can stretch himself on it: and the covering narrower than that he can wrap himself in it.

21 For the Lord shall rise up as in mount Perazim, he shall be wroth as in the valley of Gibeon, that he may do his work, his strange work; and bring to pass his act, his strange act.

29 This also cometh forth from the Lord of hosts, which is wonderful in counsel, and excellent in working.


What is being described here in verse 18 and following is what the next earth and heaven age will be like.

It is also the definition of the First resurrection.

Revelation 20:
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

What's strange in verse 21 of Isaiah 28 (above) is that this act being described is and has and shall be ascribed to those with (how can I say) weightier measures of faith?

Which causes me to think verses 5 and 6 in Revelation 20 have been switched around.

For how could there be Priests of God and Priests of Christ reigning with Christ before the "Millennia?"

Unless they are being prepped during this current "Age/Dispensation of Grace?"

(all Biblical references are from the KJV)
and i love your avatar of 'nuns with guns'
 
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Instead? The Church can't be both an institution, AND a spiritual entity? You create a typical false dichotomy. The "invisible church theory" doesn't hold water. An invisible church can't bind and loose (a rabbinical term), among other things. A city set on a hill, a light of the world, is not invisible.

LOL... :Laughingoutloud:
God IS SPIRIT.
God IS INVISIBLE to the HUMAN EYE!
A mans SPIRITUAL RELATIONSHIP WITH the Lord God IS SPIRITUALLY INVISIBLE to a HUMAN mans EYE!

It is ONLY a “REFLECTION” a Human EYE....CAN SEE!
Catholicism teaches a “FALSE” Reflection...Bowing TO Statues, Praying TO Saints, Hailing Mary as a SINLESS mortal, Receiving the Baptism of the Holy Spirit WITHOUT confession or Heartful Belief....on and on IS Exactly the Reflection a Human EYE CAN SEE.
 
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the RCC is in the Bible = absolutely true!!!
No, it is not. "RCC" is an inaccurate slur, invented by the Anglicans in the 16th century. The focus is on one rite, (Roman or Latin) ignoring the other Catholic 22 rites. Calvinoid professional liar and cult leader, Matt Slick in the CARM forum, does this repeatedly. "CC" is accurate, and easier to type.
 

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FAQ: I'm considering joining the Catholic Church. Would it be a mistake?

REPLY: Catholicism is a beautiful religion, but it's not easy.

Once someone is fully committed by completing First Holy Communion and
Confirmation and undergone Christian baptism --God will be holding them
accountable to comply with everything Rome teaches and stands for, e.g.
the Commandments, the Canon Law, the dogma, the rituals, the Traditions,
the Councils, the Bulls, the Encyclicals, the rites, the holy days of obligation,
and the entire Catechism; plus everything that Jesus and the apostles taught
in the New Testament, i.e. all four gospels and all twenty-one epistles, plus
Acts and Revelation.

That's a lot to remember, let alone put into practice.

And then there's the matter of mortal sin. When Catholics leave this life with
just one mortal sin on the books awaiting absolution, just one, they go
straight to Hell. It's a direct flight; no stopover in a Purgatory. Even if a
Catholic managed to be a top performer in faith and practice for fifty years,
none of that will be taken into consideration. They will leave this life as if
they'd been a pagan the whole time. Mortal sins are that lethal.

The paragraph below from CCC 1782 of the catechism of the Catholic
Church; acknowledges everyone's rights and freedoms in regard to selecting
a religion of their own personal choice.

"Man has the right to act in conscience, and in freedom, so as personally to
make moral decisions. He must not be forced to act contrary to his
conscience. Nor must he be prevented from acting according to his
conscience, especially in religious matters.
"

However, be aware that once someone joins the Catholic Church, they will
have to relinquish those rights and be no longer permitted to either
interpret, or apply, the Holy Bible's teachings sans hierarchy oversight per
CCC 85 which says:

"The task of giving an authentic interpretation of the Word of God, whether
in its written form or in the form of Tradition, has been entrusted to the
living teaching office of the Church alone. Its authority in this matter is
exercised in the name of Jesus Christ." This means that the task of
interpretation has been entrusted to the bishops in communion with the
successor of Peter, the Bishop of Rome.
"

Bottom line is: Catholicism isn't a democratic structure-- it's more like
Communism and/or Big Brother's thought control in George Orwell's novel
"Nineteen Eighty-Four". I'm not saying that's necessarily disagreeable as
some folks prefer being told what to believe rather than figuring things out
for themselves; and they feel secure having a hierarchy to blame if
perchance Catholicism proves misleading-- I'm only saying that it's a level of
governance that some folks might find a bit too controlling.
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No, it is not. "RCC" is an inaccurate slur, invented by the Anglicans in the 16th century. The focus is on one rite, (Roman or Latin) ignoring the other Catholic 22 rites. Calvinoid professional liar and cult leader, Matt Slick in the CARM forum, does this repeatedly. "CC" is accurate, and easier to type.
pagan romanism creeping into the One True Church of God is clearly seen in the Bible

God loves His Church and gives us clear warnings throughout His word.

Examples:
a.) Do not call anyone on earth your father; for One is your Father, He who is in Heaven. - Matthew 23:9

b.) But woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you shut up the kingdom of heaven against men; for you neither go in yourselves, nor do you allow those who are entering to go in. - Matthew 23:13

c.) But what I do, I will also continue to do, that I may cut off the opportunity from those who desire an opportunity to be regarded just as we are in the things of which they boast. For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into apostles of Christ. And no wonder! For Satan himself transforms himself into an angel of light. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also transform themselves into ministers of righteousness, whose end will be according to their works - 2 Corinthians 11:12-15

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LOL... :Laughingoutloud:
God IS SPIRIT.
God IS INVISIBLE to the HUMAN EYE!
A mans SPIRITUAL RELATIONSHIP WITH the Lord God IS SPIRITUALLY INVISIBLE to a HUMAN mans EYE!

It is ONLY a “REFLECTION” a Human EYE....CAN SEE!
Catholicism teaches a “FALSE” Reflection...Bowing TO Statues, Praying TO Saints, Hailing Mary as a SINLESS mortal, Receiving the Baptism of the Holy Spirit WITHOUT confession or Heartful Belief....on and on IS Exactly the Reflection a Human EYE CAN SEE.
I have no problem with disagreements. But your childish rants is not "disagreements", it's closed minded arrogant persecution based on prejudice and ignorance. Back to the iggy bin you go!
 

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FAQ: I'm considering joining the Catholic Church. Would it be a mistake?

REPLY: Catholicism is a beautiful religion, but it's not easy.

Once someone is fully committed by completing First Holy Communion and
Confirmation and undergone Christian baptism --God will be holding them
accountable to comply with everything Rome teaches and stands for, e.g.
the Commandments, the Canon Law, the dogma, the rituals, the Traditions,
the Councils, the Bulls, the Encyclicals, the rites, the holy days of obligation,
and the entire Catechism; plus everything that Jesus and the apostles taught
in the New Testament, i.e. all four gospels and all twenty-one epistles, plus
Acts and Revelation.

That's a lot to remember, let alone put into practice.

And then there's the matter of mortal sin. When Catholics leave this life with
just one mortal sin on the books awaiting absolution, just one, they go
straight to Hell. It's a direct flight; no stopover in a Purgatory. Even if a
Catholic managed to be a top performer in faith and practice for fifty years,
none of that will be taken into consideration. They will leave this life as if
they'd been a pagan the whole time. Mortal sins are that lethal.

The paragraph below from CCC 1782 of the catechism of the Catholic
Church; acknowledges everyone's rights and freedoms in regard to selecting
a religion of their own personal choice.

"Man has the right to act in conscience, and in freedom, so as personally to
make moral decisions. He must not be forced to act contrary to his
conscience. Nor must he be prevented from acting according to his
conscience, especially in religious matters.
"

However, be aware that once someone joins the Catholic Church, they will
have to relinquish those rights and be no longer permitted to either
interpret, or apply, the Holy Bible's teachings sans hierarchy oversight per
CCC 85 which says:

"The task of giving an authentic interpretation of the Word of God, whether
in its written form or in the form of Tradition, has been entrusted to the
living teaching office of the Church alone. Its authority in this matter is
exercised in the name of Jesus Christ." This means that the task of
interpretation has been entrusted to the bishops in communion with the
successor of Peter, the Bishop of Rome.
"

Bottom line is: Catholicism isn't a democratic structure-- it's more like
Communism and/or Big Brother's thought control in George Orwell's novel
"Nineteen Eighty-Four". I'm not saying that's necessarily disagreeable as
some folks prefer being told what to believe rather than figuring things out
for themselves; and they feel secure having a hierarchy to blame if
perchance Catholicism proves misleading-- I'm only saying that it's a level of
governance that some folks might find a bit too controlling.
_
There is nothing beautiful about your sick view of Catholicism. That's why you ran from this thread you started:
I've been following you for a long time. You're a bitter old ex-Catholic turned anti-Catholic because you haven't come to terms with the spiritual abuse you endured as a "Catholic" child. You never fell in love with Jesus in the Eucharist because if you had, you would still be a Catholic. Merely going through the motions half a century ago does NOT make you an expert so you have no right to criticize the Church based on antiquated inertia.
 
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Rom. 10: 9, 10, 13
IS the Concise to the POINT Scriptural Teaching OF WHAT IS REQUIRED of “A MAN”, to become SAVED.

Of course Scripture DETAILS The Lord Gods WORKS IN A MAN, WHO accomplishes Rom. 10: 9, 10, 13

Pretending A man can confess for an other, IS FALSE.
Pretending A MINDFUL confession, IS a HEARTFUL confession, IS FALSE.
Enticing IMMATURE, Children with trinkets, IS CORRUPT.

Gods Word teaches to TEACH Children, SO THEY BECOME mature in the Word of God and Prepared TO MAKE their own “INFORMED” (According to Gods Order and Way) Confession of Belief.

Pretending LITTLE Children are Heartfully MATURE, according to A particular AGE is nonsense.
Is a 5 year old "Heartfully MATURE" enough to accept Jesus?
How about a 10 year old?
How about a 15 year old or a 30 year old with the mental capacity of a 7 year old?
What about all the adults who accepted Jesus when they were "heartfully mature" and then years later rejected Jesus? Were they mature the first time they accepted Jesus? Or years later when they rejected Him? Wouldn't they have been MORE mature years later Taken?
Can you now see how ridiculous your theory is?

Jesus said: “Let the children come to me, and do not hinder them; for to such belongs the kingdom of God.
Taken says: Keep the children from Jesus.

Scripture says: Entire households were baptized.
Taken says: Entire households, minus any child who isn't heartfully mature, were baptized.

The earliest debate in Christian history was how SOON after birth should children be baptized; before 8 days or after 8 days. The earliest Christian records we have from 1,900 years ago say that children were baptized.
Taken has accepted the latest 500 year old teaching of protestant men.

Scripture and your own Christian history show that you and your ilk are wrong.

Telling the truth with real with logic, Scripture and Christian history..............Mary
 

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myself being conceived as a Catholic from true Catholic parents
baptized a Catholic,
educated in Catholic School,
Confirmed a Catholic,
attending Mass a Catholic
receiving communion as a Catholic
praying to Mary as a Catholic
confessing my sin to a Catholic priest
doing penance as a Catholic
attending Ash Wednesday as a Catholic
singing joyfully at Christmas Mass a Catholic
and attending Easter Sunday a Catholic

ALL these things i walked in as a true Catholic for 23 years = yet i was not Born-Again by the Spirit of God

Jesus answered, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Do not marvel that I said to you, ‘You must be born again.’ The wind blows where it wishes, and you hear the sound of it, but cannot tell where it comes from and where it goes. So is everyone who is born of the Spirit.”

The SEED of the Word that was planted in my heart as a Catholic - that Christ died for my sins - did not come to Life until the Day came when that SEED was watered and cultivated with His Word, whereby HIS SPIRIT moved upon my dead spirit and i heard HIS VOICE saying:
Come to ME david and you will have Rest for your sin laden soul = I recieved HIS Word and HIS Holy Spirit and was Born-Again.

no man, no priest, no pope, no earthbound church of splender could give to me what only comes from God Above.

Do not be deceived, my beloved brethren. Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and comes down from the Father of lights, with whom there is no variation or shadow of turning.
Of His own will He brought us forth by the word of truth, that we might be a kind of firstfruits of His creatures.
Give all the testimony you want about your journey David. None of that matters in regard to your lie.

I provided you a link to the Catechism of the Catholic Church that shows you what The Church teaches in regard to the matter. Based on your testimony of being raised a Catholic you should know what that book says. CLEARLY you don't know what it says because you have lied about what it says.

It's pretty simple David. You lied about what The Church teaches. I am not debating what your men have taught you about faith+works......I am asking you to just stop lying and apologize for that lie.

Repent!
 

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Cornelious . REMEMBER cornelious . HE actually worshipped the one true GOD of the jews .
HE did many good works , many good prayers , many alms to the poor .
So much in fact Those works came up as a remembrance before GOD .
That same man STILL had to hear words of peter , THE GOSPEL in order to BE SAVED . Dont let francis fool ya
nor the false protestant leaders who lie and say OH if one just does good , it dont matter if they atheist
buddist , muslim or whaterver they are saved and know God . NOT TRUE AT ALL .
IF ONE DENIES CHRIST , guess who they just DENIED .
IF ONE DENIES GOD , that aint GOOD NEWS and they sure aint saved either .
JOHN said it best . IF THEY do not believe the TESTIMONY that GOD gave OF HIS SON
they MAKE GOD A LIAR . last time i checked all liars go somewhere . all who loved a lie go to the lake of fire .
SO , lets not follow pope francis , kenneth copleand , rick warren nor scores and scores and scores of others
who do nothing but preach this false love that saves none . TRUE LOVE POINTS TO CHRIST .
Ummm.....not sure what this has to do with the matter and hand but thank you