THE TRUTH OF DANIEL'S SEVENTY WEEKS PROPHECY

[ScottA]

Verbatim quote please.

1 John 1:1-3​

Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits, whether they are of God; because many false prophets have gone out into the world. 2 By this you know the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is of God, 3 and every spirit that does not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is not of God. And this is the spirit of the Antichrist, which you have heard was coming, and is now already in the world.​

He did abandon the apostate church, but preserved His True Church.

You seem to have overlooked the reference to the True Church in my post.

Ever heard of the Reformation?

That is not how history unfolded.

The reformation came 1500 years after false teachers had entered into the early church spreading destructive doctrines the reformation did by no means fully correct.

 

[covenantee]

Yes

WHen God said to you and your descendents after you. I give this land as an ETERNAL gift.

He meant the national children of Abraham Issac and Jacob.

No one denies salvation is for all people

where the issue comes in is people saying God is done with national israel and his promise to them no longer stands..

Where is "national Israel" in the following?

Galatians 3:16
Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

Hebrews 8
6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.

Hebrews 8
13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

Hebrews 9
15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.

 

[covenantee]

1 John 1:1-3Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits, whether they are of God; because many false prophets have gone out into the world. 2 By this you know the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is of God, 3 and every spirit that does not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is not of God. And this is the spirit of the Antichrist, which you have heard was coming, and is now already in the world.

Of course. But it did not extinguish God's True Church, which He has always preserved, and will always preserve.

Ever hear of the 7,000 who had not bowed to Baal? 1 Kings 19:18

That is not how history unfolded.

The reformation came 1500 years after false teachers had entered into the early church spreading destructive doctrines the reformation did by no means fully correct.

That is precisely how history unfolded. God raised up His Reformers to liberate His True Church from the spiritual darkness and oppression of apostate Romanism.

You wouldn't be here without them.

 

[ScottA]

Of course. But it did not extinguish God's True Church, which He has always preserved, and will always preserve.

Ever hear of the 7,000 who had not bowed to Baal? 1 Kings 19:18

That is precisely how history unfolded. God raised up His Reformers to reclaim His True Church from the spiritual darkness and oppression of apostate Romanism.

You wouldn't be here without them.

Indeed there is a true church, however "all have fallen short." But your line regarding the orthodox church seems to indicate that you believe that some have not.

Which does not mean that the 7000 bow to Baal...which is perhaps a discussion for another time--and huge one. In brief, the 7000 are rather "all" from "a time, times, and half a time" that are elect and approved by God. But one thing at a time, please.

 

[covenantee]

Indeed there is a true church, however "all have fallen short." But your line regarding the orthodox church seems to indicate that you believe that some have not.

Why didn't you quote Romans 3:22,24 as well?

Which does not mean that the 7000 bow to Baal...which is perhaps a discussion for another time--and huge one. In brief, the 7000 are rather "all" from "a time, times, and half a time" that are elect and approved by God.

There are no 7,000 time, times, and half a time except in your imagination.

The true NT Church is repeatedly identified as the elect in NT Scripture.

 

[Truth7t7]

Are you so prideful and blind to think He has and will do less regarding the Church, just as it is also written?

Your claim is "False"!

No mockery whatsoever, you claim God will forsake his "Church" scripture states otherwise, read it again and again!

Psalm 9:10KJV
10 And they that know thy name will put their trust in thee: for thou, Lord, hast not forsaken them that seek thee.

Psalm 37:25KJV
25 I have been young, and now am old; yet have I not seen the righteous forsaken, nor his seed begging bread.

2 Corinthians 4:9KJV
9 Persecuted, but not forsaken; cast down, but not destroyed;

Hebrews 13:5KJV
5 Let your conversation be without covetousness; and be content with such things as ye have: for he hath said, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee.

 

[Truth7t7]

He did abandon the apostate church, but preserved His True Church.

You seem to have overlooked the reference to the True Church in my post.

Ever heard of the Reformation?

You seem to suggest every believer outside of "Reformed Theology" isn't the true Church?

 

[Truth7t7]

Which does not mean that the 7000 bow to Baal...which is perhaps a discussion for another time--and huge one. In brief, the 7000 are rather "all" from "a time, times, and half a time" that are elect and approved by God. But one thing at a time, please.

Your teachings are out in left field, your claim is "False"

You now claim an exact number that God has elected, what's next you going to teach the chosen elect 144,000 who will be at God's throne a JW false teaching

Scott you sure aren't walking like Einstein

Jesus Is The Lord

 

[Enoch111]

What is "Greater Israel" ?

Please define - Thank You

18 In the same day the LORD made a covenant with Abram, saying, Unto thy seed have I given this land, from the river of Egypt unto the great river, the river Euphrates: 19 The Kenites, and the Kenizzites, and the Kadmonites, 20 And the Hittites, and the Perizzites, and the Rephaims, 21And the Amorites, and the Canaanites, and the Girgashites, and the Jebusites. (Gen 15:18-21)

 

[covenantee]

You seem to suggest every believer outside of "Reformed Theology" isn't the true Church?

You seem to suffer from reformophobia.

 

[covenantee]

18 In the same day the LORD made a covenant with Abram, saying, Unto thy seed have I given this land, from the river of Egypt unto the great river, the river Euphrates: 19 The Kenites, and the Kenizzites, and the Kadmonites, 20 And the Hittites, and the Perizzites, and the Rephaims, 21And the Amorites, and the Canaanites, and the Girgashites, and the Jebusites. (Gen 15:18-21)

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Joshua 21
43 And the Lord gave unto Israel all the land which he sware to give unto their fathers; and they possessed it, and dwelt therein.

45 There failed not ought of any good thing which the Lord had spoken unto the house of Israel; all came to pass.

 

[covenantee]

Rom 11 has to do with Israel

Rom 11 has to do with saved Israel i.e. Israel in Christ.

Rev shows Israel being restored

Where?

The nt is about the new covenant. From which there is no jew or greek. it does not negate the OT promises to physical Israel

The New Covenant is the New Will and Testament.
The New Will and Testament revokes the old will and testament, as shown in Scripture in post 53.
It declares Christ to be the Heir, not physical Israel.
It declares all the promises of God to be yes and amen in Christ, not physical Israel.
It declares that the promises were made to the seed of Abraham, who is Christ, not physical Israel.
It declares that those who are in Christ, not physical Israel, are joint-heirs with Him.

 

[jeffweeder]

Rom 11 has to do with saved Israel i.e. Israel in Christ.

Where?

The New Covenant is the New Will and Testament.
The New Will and Testament revokes the old will and testament, as shown in Scripture in post 53.
It declares Christ to be the Heir, not physical Israel.
It declares all the promises of God to be yes and amen in Christ, not physical Israel.
It declares that the promises were made to the seed of Abraham, who is Christ, not physical Israel.
It declares that those who are in Christ, not physical Israel, are joint-heirs with Him.

Bingo.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

God is not done with the earthbound nation of Israel for Three Reasons.

#1 Romans 11:25-27

For I do not desire, brethren, that you should be ignorant of this mystery, lest you should be wise in your own opinion, that blindness in part has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in. And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written:

“The Deliverer will come out of Zion,
And He will turn away ungodliness from Jacob;
For this is My covenant with them,
When I take away their sins.”

#2 Matthew 23:37-39

O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the one who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing! See! Your house is left to you desolate; for I say to you, you shall see Me no more till you say, ‘Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord!’ ”

#3 Zechariah chapter 14 (short form)

Behold, the day of the Lord is coming,
And your spoil will be divided in your midst.
For I will gather all the nations to battle against Jerusalem

Then the Lord will go forth
And fight against those nations,
As He fights in the day of battle.
And in that day His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives,

Thus the Lord my God will come,
And all the saints with You.


Dear Brother beware of the lie of pre-trib rapture that separates Jew from Gentile in Christ, whereby it corrupts the Gospel, Romans, Galatians and Revelation

God is not done with Israel for the following reason.

1. Romans 11:
25 For I do not desire, brethren, that you should be ignorant of this mystery, lest you should be wise in your own [f]opinion, that blindness in part has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in. 26 And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written:

“The Deliverer will come out of Zion,
And He will turn away ungodliness from Jacob;
27 For this is My covenant with them,
When I take away their sins.”
28 Concerning the gospel they are enemies for your sake, but concerning the election they are beloved for the sake of the fathers. 29 For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable

ez 37: 21 “Then say to them, ‘Thus says the Lord God: “Surely I will take the children of Israel from among the nations, wherever they have gone, and will gather them from every side and bring them into their own land; 22 and I will make them one nation in the land, on the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king over them all; they shall no longer be two nations, nor shall they ever be divided into two kingdoms again. 23 They shall not defile themselves anymore with their idols, nor with their detestable things, nor with any of their transgressions; but I will deliver them from all their dwelling places in which they have sinned, and will cleanse them. Then they shall be My people, and I will be their God.
25 Then they shall dwell in the land that I have given to Jacob My servant, where your fathers dwelt; and they shall dwell there, they, their children, and their children’s children, forever; and My servant David shall betheir prince forever. 26 Moreover I will [c]make a covenant of peace with them, and it shall be an everlasting covenant with them; I will establish them and multiply them, and I will set My sanctuary in their midst forevermore. 27 My tabernacle also shall be with them; indeed I will be their God, and they shall be My people. 28 The nations also will know that I, the Lord, sanctify Israel, when My sanctuary is in their midst forevermore.” ’ ”

Brother please do not believe the lie That God does not keep his covenants and promises he has personally made himself. God said I give you this land forever. When he says forever. He means it. If God will not keep his promise to them, there is NOTHING to say God will keep his promise to us. Which he also called eternal. If this is true. We have no hope.

This is not a pre-trib issue. I never said I was pre-trib anyway, and even if I am, it is not only pre-trib that believes Israel will be restores WHEN they repent, as God said they would.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Rom 11 has to do with saved Israel i.e. Israel in Christ.

so blinded in part is saved Israel?
So enemies concerning the gospel is about saved Israel?

My friend you need to study more

Where?

who do you think the woman is? Who do you think he offspring are?

WHo is protected, cause satan to go after her offspring?
Is it not Israel?

Of course it is

The New Covenant is the New Will and Testament.
The New Will and Testament revokes the old will and testament, as shown in Scripture in post 53.
It declares Christ to be the Heir, not physical Israel.
It declares all the promises of God to be yes and amen in Christ, not physical Israel.
It declares that the promises were made to the seed of Abraham, who is Christ, not physical Israel.
It declares that those who are in Christ, not physical Israel, are joint-heirs with Him.

The new covenant revokes the law. Which was a CONDITIONAL covenant.

It does not revoke the promise God gave to a nation of people. In which he called eternal. A non conditional covenant.

Israel is being punished today As God promised. if you turn from me. I will scatter you through the nations. And a people who do not belong shall enjoy YOUR LAND (lev 26)

but even then, God said IF you repent, if you acknowledge your sin and the sin of your fathers. I will remember my covenant with your fathers, i will remember the land (lev 26)

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Where is "national Israel" in the following?

Galatians 3:16
Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

Hebrews 8
6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.

Hebrews 8
13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

Hebrews 9
15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.

non of those passages have anything to do with the end times, And Gods restoration.

You need to look to the OT more if you want to see what God said he would do.

and heed the advise of paul himself in romans 11. when he tells you not to be, well here, he says it better than I can

25 For I do not desire, brethren, that you should be ignorant of this mystery, lest you should be wise in your own opinion, that blindness in part has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in.

don't be wise in your own opinion about Israel.. who even today are blinded in part..

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Joshua 21
43 And the Lord gave unto Israel all the land which he sware to give unto their fathers; and they possessed it, and dwelt therein.

45 There failed not ought of any good thing which the Lord had spoken unto the house of Israel; all came to pass.

God said it would be theirs FOREVER

has forever ended?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Bingo.

sorry. That was the wrong number, Your bingo did not really happen..

Its not saved people in christ.

It is Gentile believers vs Jewish believers, who are blinded in part.

if there is no jew or greek (we were talking about salvation) Paul would not have seperated saved jew from saved gentile

 

[David in NJ]

18 In the same day the LORD made a covenant with Abram, saying, Unto thy seed have I given this land, from the river of Egypt unto the great river, the river Euphrates: 19 The Kenites, and the Kenizzites, and the Kadmonites, 20 And the Hittites, and the Perizzites, and the Rephaims, 21And the Amorites, and the Canaanites, and the Girgashites, and the Jebusites. (Gen 15:18-21)

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i assumed as much but just wanted to make sure - thank you

 

[David in NJ]

sorry. That was the wrong number, Your bingo did not really happen..

Its not saved people in christ.

It is Gentile believers vs Jewish believers, who are blinded in part.

if there is no jew or greek (we were talking about salvation) Paul would not have seperated saved jew from saved gentile

You said: "It is Gentile believers vs Jewish believers, who are blinded in part."

Jewish believers are blinded in part??? Please explain