THE TRUTH OF DANIEL'S SEVENTY WEEKS PROPHECY

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Confession with a believing heart = salvation

Scripture doesn't support your (1913) "Oneness Pentecostal Theology" that denies the Triune Godhead

Romans 10:9-10KJV
9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

1 John 5:7-8KJV
7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
8 And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.

Wikipedia: Oneness Pentecostalism
In April 1913, at the Apostolic Faith Worldwide Camp Meeting held in Arroyo Seco, California and conducted by Maria Woodworth-Etter, organizers promised that God would "deal with them, giving them a unity and power that we have not yet known."[49][50] Canadian R. E. McAlister preached a message about water baptism just prior to a baptismal service that was about to be conducted. His message defended the "single immersion" method and preached "that apostolic baptism was administered as a single immersion in a single name, Jesus Christ," saying: "The words Father, Son, and Holy Ghost were never used in Christian baptism.

Dear Truth7t7,
I follow no teachings from any church or group nor do I fellowship with any. You have no idea what you are saying about what I believe.

Christ has laid out a pathway to salvation which all of His Elect will follow in this age. It is presented over and over again in scripture. To get to the spiritual state which causes the believer to make a confession of faith as presented in Rom 10:10, a believer must have both the Early and Latter Rains of the Spirit. The time in between these two Rains is the time of Elijah's 3 1/2 year drought. It is also the last 3 1/2 years of Daniels 70 weeks. During this time, a believer will become "worse than the first" (Mat 12:43-45). This occurs because the spirit of anti-Christ indwells the believer. This is when they become a Man of Sin and when the Abomination of Desolation occurs. It is the believer's "Day of Evil" when they experience "great tribulation".

Since all of Christ's Elect must travel this pathway, when Christ comes to them a second time with the Latter Rain, he comes to them as a "thief in the night" and brings destruction (judgment) to them. After this judgment, they will be a converted believer and will then make the confession of faith mentioned in Rom 10:10.

Joe
 

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The Man of Sin is a believer who has the spirit of anti-Christ indwelling them.
How can a blasphemer be a "believer"? The Antichrist is in fact the Man of Sin, the Son, of Perdition, the Beast of Revelation 13. The Antichrist is also THE ARCH BLASPHEMER OF GOD. Study the book of Daniel.

Getting back to the Seventy Weeks of Daniel we should note the following:

1. The first 69 weeks were fulfilled as the 483 years between the decree of Cyrus and the crucifixion of Christ (when "Messiah was cut off, but not for Himself" in AD 30)

2. The 70th "week" of Daniel (a heptad of 7 years) is in the future and connected to the reign of the Antichrist (the Tribulation) and the Great Tribulation.

3. "The prince that shall come" (Dan 9:26) is in fact the Antichrist.

4. The Antichrist will make a bogus covenant with the Jews for 7 years, and violate that covenant after 3 1/2 years. He will shut down their sacrifices and install the Abomination of Desolation (an idolatrous image of himself) in the Holy Place within the future temple at Jerusalem.

5. This will trigger the Great Tribulation which will bring about "the desolations" mentioned in Dan 9:26,27.

6. It is only after the Antichrist is destroyed and cast into the Lake of Fire that Daniel 9:24 will be fulfilled:
1...to finish the transgression, and
2. to make an end of sins, and
3. to make reconciliation for iniquity, and
4. to bring in everlasting righteousness, and
5. to seal up the vision and prophecy, and
6. to anoint the most Holy.


All this can only be fulfilled AFTER the Second Coming of Christ. The "end of sins" is in the future since at the present time sin, evil, and wickedness is actually on the increase, and exponentially so.
 

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That is incorrect. The full penalty for the sins of the whole world was paid at Calvary. Everlasting righteousness will be established on earth only AFTER the Second Coming of Christ. Presently we are heading towards the evil reign of the Antichrist. the New World Order is simply a prelude. Worldwide tyranny will be established as per Revelation 13.
Obviously you need to exhume Paul, Peter, and John to inform them that the righteousness of which they wrote is not the everlasting righteousness of Calvary.

You'll also need to inform the Holy Spirit who inspired them.

If you've found Scriptures disproving the Scriptures that I've presented, then please present yours.

There are none in your post.
 

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Dear Truth7t7,
I follow no teachings from any church or group nor do I fellowship with any. You have no idea what you are saying about what I believe.

Christ has laid out a pathway to salvation which all of His Elect will follow in this age. It is presented over and over again in scripture. To get to the spiritual state which causes the believer to make a confession of faith as presented in Rom 10:10, a believer must have both the Early and Latter Rains of the Spirit. The time in between these two Rains is the time of Elijah's 3 1/2 year drought. It is also the last 3 1/2 years of Daniels 70 weeks. During this time, a believer will become "worse than the first" (Mat 12:43-45). This occurs because the spirit of anti-Christ indwells the believer. This is when they become a Man of Sin and when the Abomination of Desolation occurs. It is the believer's "Day of Evil" when they experience "great tribulation".

Since all of Christ's Elect must travel this pathway, when Christ comes to them a second time with the Latter Rain, he comes to them as a "thief in the night" and brings destruction (judgment) to them. After this judgment, they will be a converted believer and will then make the confession of faith mentioned in Rom 10:10.

Joe
Do you believe baptism is in the name of Jesus only?
 

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Obviously you need to exhume Paul, Peter, and John to inform them that the righteousness of which they wrote is not the everlasting righteousness of Calvary.
You still don't get it, and probably never will since you are going by man-made doctrines. But here is what we are talking about, and you will not find this on earth right now: And the work of righteousness shall be peace; and the effect of righteousness quietness and assurance for ever. (Isa 32:17)

Do you see any of this on earth right now? Or would you rather fool yourself? Who will establish this righteousness, peace, and quietness other than the Lord Jesus Christ when He comes to reign on earth? There will be NO WARS anywhere on earth. But you are trapped in your fake interpretations.
 

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How can a blasphemer be a "believer"? The Antichrist is in fact the Man of Sin, the Son, of Perdition, the Beast of Revelation 13. The Antichrist is also THE ARCH BLASPHEMER OF GOD. Study the book of Daniel.

Getting back to the Seventy Weeks of Daniel we should note the following:

1. The first 69 weeks were fulfilled as the 483 years between the decree of Cyrus and the crucifixion of Christ (when "Messiah was cut off, but not for Himself" in AD 30)

2. The 70th "week" of Daniel (a heptad of 7 years) is in the future and connected to the reign of the Antichrist (the Tribulation) and the Great Tribulation.

3. "The prince that shall come" (Dan 9:26) is in fact the Antichrist.

4. The Antichrist will make a bogus covenant with the Jews for 7 years, and violate that covenant after 3 1/2 years. He will shut down their sacrifices and install the Abomination of Desolation (an idolatrous image of himself) in the Holy Place within the future temple at Jerusalem.

5. This will trigger the Great Tribulation which will bring about "the desolations" mentioned in Dan 9:26,27.

6. It is only after the Antichrist is destroyed and cast into the Lake of Fire that Daniel 9:24 will be fulfilled:
1...to finish the transgression, and
2. to make an end of sins, and
3. to make reconciliation for iniquity, and
4. to bring in everlasting righteousness, and
5. to seal up the vision and prophecy, and
6. to anoint the most Holy.


All this can only be fulfilled AFTER the Second Coming of Christ. The "end of sins" is in the future since at the present time sin, evil, and wickedness is actually on the increase, and exponentially so.
Dear Enoch111,
Judas was of one of the 12 Apostles and he was the first "Man of Sin". Judas is also a "type" for what happens to the church.

The Man of Sin represents a fallen away spiritual state when the believer is under the full influence of Satan (via the spirit of anti-Christ). At present, the church is full of believers who are a "Man of Sin".

Mat 12:43-45 teaches this truth.

You are right that the first beast of Rev 13 is the Man of Sin but he represents all fallen away believers who have the spirit of anti-Christ. He endures for 42 months which represents the time between a believer receiving the Early and Latter Rains of the Spirit. It is the same 3 1/2 years remaining of Daniel's 70th week. It also represents the time of Elijah's 3 1/2 years of drought.

The second beast of Rev 13 represents the spirit of anti-Christ.

If a person is going to be saved in this age, they must "keep the sayings of the prophecies of the book". Becoming a Man of Sin is one of the sayings which a believer must experience before they can be saved. It is all part of the Pathway to Salvation which Christ causes His Elect to travel.

The 70th week of Daniel commenced when Christ began his earthly ministry. He was "cut off" at the cross in the midst of the week. At this time, the Old Covenant was fulfilled & ended (Christ caused the sacrifice and oblation to cease) and the New Covenant began.

Since Christ was cut-off at the midpoint of the last 7 years, only 3 1/2 years remain unfulfilled. But since Christ changed the covenant to a "spiritual" covenant, the last 3 1/2 years are spiritually fulfilled within a person. The 3 1/2 years starts when they receive the Early Rain (the earnest amount) and it ends when Christ "comes again" and pours out the Latter Rain. Then for that single person, Dan 9:24 if fulfilled. Christ will repeat this process within all of mankind until the last person is saved - then Dan 9:24 will be completely fulfilled.

There simply are no future world events which will be fulfilled in the future. All the end-time events are spiritually fulfilled within a believer as they travel the Pathway to Salvation.

To properly understand scripture, it must be understood in a spiritual way and not a carnal way.

Paul said this:

1Cor 3:1 And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ.

After a person receives the Early Rain, they will become a believer and will enter the church. However, since the Early Rain is only an earnest amount, the believer is left carnally minded and spiritually blind. For this reason, Satan can easily deceive them after he plants his seed (spirit of anti-Christ) within them (Parable of the Wheat and the Tares). Under Satan's deceptions, the believer will follow the ways of Satan rather than Christ. Satan teaches a doctrines of "works". This is where the Doctrine of Free Will and Hell came from - they do not come from scripture. To believe in the Doctrine of Hell, a believer must have a "works" based belief system. It is this system of beliefs which causes the believer to "fall away" and lose their salvation. This is the sin that leads to death. If Christ does not come back to the believer a second time before they die, they will die in their sins and will remain under the Law. Upon their resurrection from the grave, Christ will say to them "I never knew you".

If the fallen away believer is one of Christ's Elect, Christ will come to them a second time before they die and pour out the Latter Rain. This is the believer's moment of salvation and when their "Beast and False Prophet" (Man of Sin) is "taken" from within them and cast into the Lake of Fire.

This verse applies:

Mat 24:40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

The one who is taken is the Man of Sin (the child of the Devil) and the one who remains is the child of God. This verse is not teaching on the false doctrine of the rapture as most believe.

The only event which has not yet occurred is the bodily resurrection from the grave. After the last Elect person has been converted in this age, the time for the resurrections will be at hand. Then the final age will commence. That age will end when Christ and His Bride (the Elect) bring in the full harvest of mankind. Dan 9:24 will then be fulfilled and this scripture will be testified to be true:

1Tim 2:3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior; 4 who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; 6 who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.
 

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Do you believe baptism is in the name of Jesus only?
I believe that a physical water baptism is a "type" for the Latter Rain of the Spirit. The water baptism does not save a person. When the water baptism is performed, scripture teaches that it is done in the name of Jesus Christ:

Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Jesus Christ is the only name given under heaven whereby we are saved (Acts 4:12).

Joe
 

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What recognized defender of the true faith in historic orthodox post-apostolic Christianity before the 19th century denied that Christ fulfilled Daniel 9:24 perfectly and completely at Calvary?

The answer to my question is "no one".

You are espousing a modernist private interpretation of Daniel 9:24.
Your reference to "What recognized defender of the true faith in historic orthodox post-apostolic Christianity" is a moot point, as that is the time period of which "false teachers" and believing a "lie" causing "strong delusion" was foretold.

Yet, during these same times it was also promised that we should be "lead unto all truth." Meaning, that while what is orthodox is suspect, and indeed there were in fact also to be many false teachings and private interpretations, the truth of God would prevail--not as it was believed, but has it would eventually become known by the spirit of God.

Now, that does not mean that I concur with all that has been claimed here, as even the summary was quite long. I did however read some things that were true. Nonetheless, orthodox Christian teachings are to be considered greatly in error...just as it is written.
 
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Here is a quick summary of what I presented above.

SUMMARY

Seventy weeks of years (490 years) were ordained for Christ to put an end to sin and to bring in everlasting righteousness. After 483 literal years had passed, Christ started His ministry on earth when He was baptized by John the Baptist. At the midpoint of the last week of years, Christ was crucified and was cut off. This marked the change from the Old Covenant of Law to the New Covenant of Grace through Faith. This change caused the sacrifice and oblation to cease. This change also ended the physical time calculation of the 70 weeks of years. That calculation ended with 3 ½ years remaining. Since the New Covenant is spiritual, the remaining 3 ½ years likewise became spiritual and are no longer physical years.

The 3 ½ years remaining of Daniel’s prophecy will start within a person when they receive the Early Rain of the Spirit and are called out from the world.

Shortly after receiving the Early Rain, the believer will be deceived by Satan and will fall away. The believer will commit the sin that leads to death and the Abomination of Desolation will occur. The believer will then fall under Satan’s complete influence by the spirit of anti-Christ and will become a Man of Sin.

If the believer has been chosen from the foundation of the world, the Second Coming of Christ will come to the believer in this age after their spiritual condition has been made worse (Man of Sin).

Dan 12:7 And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and a half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished.

At the end of the 1260 days, after the “power of the holy people” has been scattered, the Latter Rain of the Spirit will be poured out on the believer and cause the birth of a new child of God. After this salvation event, the Day of the Lord will arrive and bring judgment to the Man of Sin/Old Man. Once the conversion process has been completed, the believer will have their promised inheritance.

Dan 12:9 And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end. 10 Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.

The “time of the end” is speaking of the conversion event. It is at this time that the believer is given eyes that can see so that Daniel’s prophecies will be “unsealed” for them.

The Pathway to Salvation is 100% the work of Christ. And since Christ is love and love cannot fail, mankind’s salvation is a certainty. When the last person is saved in the final age, Daniel's prophecy will be fulfilled and all mankind will be in the Kingdom of Heaven:

Dan 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

At this time, Abraham’s spiritual “seed” will be as numerous as the stars and they will all have their promised inheritance of the Promised Land.
Not that Daniel's prophecy of seventy weeks is any small matter, and I know you have summarized, but are you able to summarize further...perhaps with bullet points?

I could read it all and perhaps address with a thousand points of discussion until the sun goes down, but I should think it better, noting the times, if you got down to the brass tacks of it.

Thanks!
 

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When the water baptism is performed, scripture teaches that it is done in the name of Jesus Christ:
"Oneness Pentecostalism/Jesus Name Only) the only sect that teaches such, why deny your foundational belief Is attached to this including the "Latter Rain"
 
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The only "early church fathers" who have any credibility are the New Testament writers.
If there are no credible writers since the New Testament, why are you writing, since your claim includes yourself?
If you believe that Orthodox Christianity is faithful and walking by the truth, then when did the wolves and spirit of anti-Christ leave the church?
If you believe that God forsook His true Church, when did He do so?
As for Dan 9:24 being fully accomplished at the cross, take a look at the first goal of the verse. The first goal says that Christ will "finish the transgression". Look around the world and you'll see that mankind is still in a state of transgression against God.
Transgression is finished in the lives of every individual who believes in and receives Christ as Lord and Savior.

Isaiah 53
5 But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.
The reason the Nation of Israel did not take full possession of the Promised Land was because they were under the Old Covenant.
They took full possession of the land that God had promised them.

Joshua 21
43 And the Lord gave unto Israel all the land which he sware to give unto their fathers; and they possessed it, and dwelt therein.
45 There failed not ought of any good thing which the Lord had spoken unto the house of Israel; all came to pass.
Rom 2:28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: 29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.
Amen.
However, the fulfillment of the promises are not physically fulfilled under the New Covenant. They are spiritually fulfilled by faith. For that reason, Paul said:

Rom 2:28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: 29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.
Amen.
Rom 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. 26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob: 27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
Amen.

Paul identifies "all Israel":

Romans 9
6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

Galatians 4
28 Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise.

Paul is addressing and referring to the Church.
Once these verses above are fulfilled, so will Dan 9:24 be fulfilled.
All have been completely and perfectly fulfilled at Calvary.
 
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You still don't get it, and probably never will since you are going by man-made doctrines. But here is what we are talking about, and you will not find this on earth right now: And the work of righteousness shall be peace; and the effect of righteousness quietness and assurance for ever. (Isa 32:17)

Do you see any of this on earth right now? Or would you rather fool yourself? Who will establish this righteousness, peace, and quietness other than the Lord Jesus Christ when He comes to reign on earth? There will be NO WARS anywhere on earth. But you are trapped in your fake interpretations.
And the work of righteousness shall be peace; and the effect of righteousness quietness and assurance for ever. (Isa 32:17)

An inspired prediction of what Christ would, and did, accomplish at Calvary.

Still awaiting your Scripture that I requested.

The Scripture the disproves what I've cited.

The Scripture that disproves what the Holy Spirit, Paul, Peter, and John wrote.
 
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the time period or which "false teachers" and believing a "lie" causing "strong delusion" was foretold.
Like looking into a mirror of one's own accusation

From one who denies a future, literal, visible, second coming of Jesus Christ in the heavens

Jesus Is The Lord
 
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Your reference to "What recognized defender of the true faith in historic orthodox post-apostolic Christianity" is a moot point, as that is the time period or which "false teachers" and believing a "lie" causing "strong delusion" was foretold.

Yet, during these same times it was also promised that we should be "lead unto all truth." Meaning, that while what is orthodox is suspect, and indeed there were in fact also to be many false teachings and private interpretations, the truth of God would prevail--not as it was believed, but has it would eventually become known by the spirit of God.

Now, that does not mean that I concur with all that has been claimed here, as even the summary was quite long. I did however read some things that were true. Nonetheless, orthodox Christian teachings are to be considered greatly in error...just as it is written.
God has never abandoned His True Church, and never will.

There is no error in the unanimous recognition of Christ's perfect completed accomplishments at Calvary, in historic orthodox Christianity.

That has appeared only in the modernist apostate delusion and denial of dispensational futurism since the 19th century.
 
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How can a blasphemer be a "believer"? The Antichrist is in fact the Man of Sin, the Son, of Perdition, the Beast of Revelation 13. The Antichrist is also THE ARCH BLASPHEMER OF GOD. Study the book of Daniel.

Getting back to the Seventy Weeks of Daniel we should note the following:

1. The first 69 weeks were fulfilled as the 483 years between the decree of Cyrus and the crucifixion of Christ (when "Messiah was cut off, but not for Himself" in AD 30)

2. The 70th "week" of Daniel (a heptad of 7 years) is in the future and connected to the reign of the Antichrist (the Tribulation) and the Great Tribulation.

3. "The prince that shall come" (Dan 9:26) is in fact the Antichrist.

4. The Antichrist will make a bogus covenant with the Jews for 7 years, and violate that covenant after 3 1/2 years. He will shut down their sacrifices and install the Abomination of Desolation (an idolatrous image of himself) in the Holy Place within the future temple at Jerusalem.

5. This will trigger the Great Tribulation which will bring about "the desolations" mentioned in Dan 9:26,27.

6. It is only after the Antichrist is destroyed and cast into the Lake of Fire that Daniel 9:24 will be fulfilled:
1...to finish the transgression, and
2. to make an end of sins, and
3. to make reconciliation for iniquity, and
4. to bring in everlasting righteousness, and
5. to seal up the vision and prophecy, and
6. to anoint the most Holy.


All this can only be fulfilled AFTER the Second Coming of Christ. The "end of sins" is in the future since at the present time sin, evil, and wickedness is actually on the increase, and exponentially so.
Quote for us the verse containing the word "antichrist" in Daniel 9:24-27.

Bold and italicize it so we don't miss it.

We've already seen the fulfillment at Calvary of "everlasting righteousness".

Except for Calvary delusionists, defeatists, and denialists.
 

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Like looking into a mirror of one's own accusation

From one who denies a future, literal, visible, second coming of Jesus Christ in the heavens

Jesus Is The Lord
Oh...and scoffers were also foretold.
 

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Not that Daniel's prophecy of seventy weeks is any small matter, and I know you have summarized, but are you able to summarize further...perhaps with bullet points?

I could read it all and perhaps address with a thousand points of discussion until the sun goes down, but I should think it better, noting the times, if you got down to the brass tacks of it.

Thanks!
Dear ScottA,
Many say that I am "too wordy" but I do try and keep it as simple as I can. The problem is that the "church" is spiritually blind and is eating a leavened loaf of bread (Mat 13:33). As far as I am aware, there is not one doctrine of Orthodox Christianity that is true. Some have a little truth mixed into them but the key doctrines are all completely false (Free Will, Hell and Trinity).

With this in mind, when I write a paper, I have to expand what I am teaching to help a person overcome the other errors in their beliefs.

Like with Daniel's Seventy Weeks prophecy, a person must understand that Christ will save all mankind when His work is completed. If a person does not believe that truth, how are they going understand and believe what Daniel 9:24 teaches?

Here is my shortest version of the prophecy without supporting scriptures:

The prophecy teaches the fulfillment of the promises made to Abraham. Christ is the one who will fulfill them. 69 weeks of years pass before Christ begins His work of fulfilling the promises. When Christ comes in the flesh and is baptized by John the Baptism, the last week begins (the 70th week). This week starts off under the Old Covenant and is literal and physical. Then after 3 1/2 years of earthly ministry, Christ is "cut off" at the cross. This event causes the sacrifices and oblation to cease because Christ's death fulfilled the Old Covenant of Law. Upon Christ's resurrection, the New Covenant began.

The New Covenant though is vastly different from the Old Covenant. Most believers have a great deal of difficulty in understanding this difference. Under the New Covenant, the "works" come from Christ. His works are inward and spiritual and can't be seen in the world with human eyes. The Old Covenant is the exact opposite. The "works" come from mankind and they are outward and physical. The world can witnesses these works.

When reading scripture, we are told to rightly divide the Word by these two covenants. For example: prophecies which are fulfilled under the time of the Old Covenant are fulfilled outwardly and physically. They can be witnessed in the world. In contrast, the prophecies which are to be fulfilled under the New Covenant are fulfilled within (spiritually) a person and cannot be witness out in the world.

Improperly dividing the Word by these two covenants is one of the biggest problems for a believer in learning the truth of what a prophecy teaches.

Since we are now under the New Covenant, all the "end-time prophecies (like Daniel's prophecy) must be applied spiritually to a single person. All end-time prophecies are fulfilled in this manner. To make it even more difficult to understand, scripture uses spiritual symbols to teach these prophecies. However, once a person realizes that the prophecies all teach on certain aspects of the Pathway to Salvation, they become much easier to understand. For example, when the end of the ages come to a believer, they will receive the Latter Rain and will be saved. For them, the end of the ages come to them and Daniel's prophecy is fulfilled.

At the commencement of the New Covenant, Christ had only 3 1/2 years left to fulfill Daniel 9:24. However, since the New Covenant is spiritual, the remaining 3 1/2 years are also spiritual and are not bound by literal time.

The last 3 1/2 years will be fulfilled by Christ's work within each person who has ever lived. His work begins when Christ comes a person and gives them the Early Rain of the Spirit. This is the same as the Holy Spirit of Promise (Eph 1:13-14) and is only an earnest amount (a down payment). This down payment amount of the Spirit will give a person a measure faith but it will leave them carnally minded and spiritually blind. For that reason, the believer is susceptible to "falling away" and losing their salvation. In fact, in accordance with the Pathway to Salvation, a new believer will fall away under the deception of Satan EVERY TIME. This is the apostasy Paul mentioned and was caused by the "wolves" coming into the church after the Apostles died. John referred to it has the coming of the spirit of anti-Christ. With Satan's spirit indwelling the church, the entire church became harlot.

The only solution for a believer in this condition is for Christ to "come again" to the believer and give them the Latter Rain of the Spirit. This is the baptism Paul received in Damascus and is the same baptism the Apostles received on the Day of Pentecost. With this baptism, it will heal the believer's spiritual blindness and they will no longer receive their truth from this world (sun & moon are darkened). Now with "eyes that can see", the believer will suddenly realize that they are the Man of Sin and they will see the Abomination of Desolation which occurred within themselves. Once they "see" this truth, judgment will fall on the Man of Sin and he will be removed from the believer and cast into the Lake of Fire. With this judgment, the believer is converted and will be "born again" as a child of God. They will then be saved and can NEVER fall away again. This is the conversion event and it will complete the last 3 1/2 years of Daniel's prophecy for that particular believer. Christ will then repeat His work within all mankind until every person who has ever lived is saved. Only then will Daniel's prophecy be fully accomplished.

I hope this is not too confusing for you. It also probably isn't any shorter than my summary, but I did my best to shorten it.

If you have any specific questions, I will be happy to respond. My time today is short though so I may have to reply tomorrow morning.

Joe
 

ScottA

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God has never abandoned His True Church, and never will.

There is no error in the unanimous recognition of Christ's perfect completed accomplishments at Calvary, in historic orthodox Christianity.

That has appeared only in the modernist apostate delusion and denial of dispensational futurism since the 19th century.
That is not what I said, and not what the scriptures say. But you deny what the scriptures do say regarding what was already at work 2,000 years ago.

As for who God has "abandoned", you misunderstand. You say "abandon", but what did God allow to happen to Joseph, and even to Christ? He "forsook" but it "pleased" Him to do so. Are you so prideful and blind to think He has and will do less regarding the Church, just as it is also written?
 

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Oh...and scoffers were also foretold.
From one who denies a future, literal, visible, second coming of Jesus Christ in the heavens

Jesus Is The Lord
 

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Dear Covenantee,
I do not know the answer to your question.

Just so you know, I no longer place any value in what Orthodox Christian leaders teach. I only place value in what God's Word teaches.
Joe

I believe that a physical water baptism is a "type" for the Latter Rain of the Spirit. The water baptism does not save a person. When the water baptism is performed, scripture teaches that it is done in the name of Jesus Christ:

Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Jesus Christ is the only name given under heaven whereby we are saved (Acts 4:12).

Joe
I think the reference is to *human* names, or names of people. Jesus was the only human who could save us from our sins. Therefore, we are baptized in his name. This is not to the exclusion of the name of the Father or the name of the Spirit.

We think of a king who saves us by providing for our safety and security, for our provision. We think of a general who saves us in a time of war. In matters of redemption, only Jesus could save us, ie in his name alone. Neither is this a denial that Jesus is more than a mere man, being divine.