What is "Parousia"?

[David in NJ]

Only the saints will have immortal life (which is why they cannot die a second death); the rest of mankind that come to believe and be perfected during the 1,000 year reign will have eternal life, meaning that they will be mortal, so they can die, but God will ensure that they do not die, just like angels are mortal but will live forever (except Satan and his fallen angels).


The rest of the dead being non-Christians who are resurrected in the second resurrection at the beginning of the 1,000 years reign, and they will not live (have eternal life) until they pass the final test at the end of the 1,000 years. Those that fail the test will be condemned to the second death - a permanent death with no hope of another resurrection.

Good Morning keithr

Revelation 20:5 "The rest of the dead did not come back to life until the thousand years were finished."

The "rest of the dead" are not resurrected until AFTER the 1,000 Year Reign of Christ with His Glorified Saints.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

When the seventh angel begins to sound time given this earth for proclaiming the Gospel of Christ unto all the world shall be no longer. That means there will NOT be another one thousand years of more time given to this earth for man to obtain eternal life through Christ.

Correct the bible does ot teach that! the millenial kingdom is the reign of Jesus on the earth for those survivors of the tribulation who will repopulate the earth! IN fulfillment of dozens of prophecies.

 

[rwb]

There is no contradiction in Scripture.

Currently you are focusing on 'death' = Heb 9:27

You are forcing Heb 9:27 upon Heb 9:28 = this is the conflict you have created.

The LORD Jesus has the Power over death = HE is the Resurrection and in HIM is Eternal Life.

For now, death will continue until HIS Return which is the Resurrection of the dead in Him and the Rapture of living Saints.

There is no contradiction in Scripture.

Hebrews 9:27-28 (KJV) And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment: So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.

Men (human race) are appointed once to die, after this the judgment. However Christ was offered to bear the sins of many. To those many who look for Him to come again, Christ shall appear the second time, and then without sin unto salvation. Mortal flesh is sinful, and corruptible, being destined to die. And die our mortal flesh shall even if we are among the many who look for His second coming at the end of this age. It is only in understanding that all mortal men are appointed to die, and only those who look for Him shall have immortal, and incorruptible bodies to replace that which is ordained to die there is no contradiction.

In the following passage Paul tells us when our earthly house (human, mortal body of flesh) is dissolved (demolished completely destroyed) by death we are not unclothed. Paul says we in fact groan to be clothed upon with our house which is from heaven. That is the new body that shall be immortal and incorruptible unlike our mortal, corruptible bodies of death now that are destined to death.

2 Corinthians 5:1-4 (KJV) For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens. For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed upon with our house which is from heaven: If so be that being clothed we shall not be found naked. For we that are in this tabernacle do groan, being burdened: not for that we would be unclothed, but clothed upon, that mortality might be swallowed up of life.

Physical death will continue until Christ returns the second time. But physical death for faithful men/women simply means our eternal spirit departs our mortal body of death and goes a living (spirit) soul to heaven to be with the Lord until Christ returns the second time with immortal and incorruptible bodies for all who are of faith by grace through Him. Our spirit soul is what returns with Christ when He comes again from heaven. Then our eternal spirits will be reunited with our immortal & incorruptible changed body, fit for everlasting life with Christ upon the new earth.

1 Thessalonians 4:14 (KJV) For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.

 

[rwb]

Correct the bible does ot teach that! the millenial kingdom is the reign of Jesus on the earth for those survivors of the tribulation who will repopulate the earth! IN fulfillment of dozens of prophecies.

A thousand years equate to TIME. I believe a sound biblical argument is that the thousand years symbolize time given the universal Church on this earth to proclaim the Gospel of Christ through the power of His Spirit until the spiritual Kingdom of God is complete.

 

[keithr]

When the seventh angel begins to sound time given this earth for proclaiming the Gospel of Christ unto all the world shall be no longer. That means there will NOT be another one thousand years of more time given to this earth for man to obtain eternal life through Christ.

There will be the 1,000 years mentioned later in Revelation.

Revelation 10:5-7 (KJV) And the angel which I saw stand upon the sea and upon the earth lifted up his hand to heaven, And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer: But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.

Revelation 10 is describing events that happen before the events in chapter 14, which I quoted from. This is before the 1,000 years reign has started, which starts after Satan has been bound.

The purpose for the bodily resurrection of the saints is to change our mortal, corruptible bodies destined to die into immortal and incorruptible bodies fit for everlasting life on the new earth. God does not have two separate salvation plans through Christ for mankind. Today, that is NOW, while time still exists, is the day for salvation. The man who dies in this age of time without faith in the Lord Jesus Christ is without hope. He/she will not be given a second chance for another one thousand years to be eternally saved.

The saints have a heavenly home, in our Fathers house (in heaven), not an earthly one. God's plan has seperate parts for Christians and non-Christians. What do you think is the point of Jesus and the resurrected Church reigning for 1,000 years over the resurrected rest of mankind on the earth? What is the point of mankind being judged at the end of the 1,000 years? After that final judgement:

Rev 22:1-5

(1) He showed me a river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb,​

(2) in the middle of its street. On this side of the river and on that was the tree of life, bearing twelve kinds of fruits, yielding its fruit every month. The leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.​

(3) There will be no curse any more. The throne of God and of the Lamb will be in it, and his servants will serve him.​

(4) They will see his face, and his name will be on their foreheads.​

(5) There will be no night, and they need no lamp light; for the Lord God will illuminate them. They will reign forever and ever.​

Who makes up these nations that God and Jesus will be reigning over forever after the 1,000 years?

 

[David in NJ]

Hebrews 9:27-28 (KJV) And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment: So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.

Men (human race) are appointed once to die, after this the judgment. However Christ was offered to bear the sins of many. To those many who look for Him to come again, Christ shall appear the second time, and then without sin unto salvation. Mortal flesh is sinful, and corruptible, being destined to die. And die our mortal flesh shall even if we are among the many who look for His second coming at the end of this age. It is only in understanding that all mortal men are appointed to die, and only those who look for Him shall have immortal, and incorruptible bodies to replace that which is ordained to die there is no contradiction.

In the following passage Paul tells us when our earthly house (human, mortal body of flesh) is dissolved (demolished completely destroyed) by death we are not unclothed. Paul says we in fact groan to be clothed upon with our house which is from heaven. That is the new body that shall be immortal and incorruptible unlike our mortal, corruptible bodies of death now that are destined to death.

2 Corinthians 5:1-4 (KJV) For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens. For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed upon with our house which is from heaven: If so be that being clothed we shall not be found naked. For we that are in this tabernacle do groan, being burdened: not for that we would be unclothed, but clothed upon, that mortality might be swallowed up of life.

Physical death will continue until Christ returns the second time. But physical death for faithful men/women simply means our eternal spirit departs our mortal body of death and goes a living (spirit) soul to heaven to be with the Lord until Christ returns the second time with immortal and incorruptible bodies for all who are of faith by grace through Him. Our spirit soul is what returns with Christ when He comes again from heaven. Then our eternal spirits will be reunited with our immortal & incorruptible changed body, fit for everlasting life with Christ upon the new earth.

1 Thessalonians 4:14 (KJV) For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.

All the Scriptures you Post are 100%

You now need to believe the same Scripture that says: 1 Thess 4:13-18 , 1 Cor 15:50-52 , 1 John 3:1-3
There is NO Death in CHRIST at HIS Coming for living Saints

"Behold, I tell you a mystery: We shall not all sleep/die, but we shall all be changed— in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed."

Do you know the difference between "shall not" and "shall ???

Contradiction = changing God's word from "all shall not die" to "all shall die"

Focus your attention on CHRIST, the Resurrection/Rapture = being instanly Changed from death and mortality to IMMORTALITY and Eternal LIFE.

Perfect Harmony in Scripture = TRUTH - REST - CONFIDENCE - FAITH - HOPE = SALVATION

 

[rwb]

There will be the 1,000 years mentioned later in Revelation.

Chapter and verse please.

The saints have a heavenly home, in our Fathers house (in heaven), not an earthly one. God's plan has seperate parts for Christians and non-Christians. What do you think is the point of Jesus and the resurrected Church reigning for 1,000 years over the resurrected rest of mankind on the earth? What is the point of mankind being judged at the end of the 1,000 years?

Faithful saints will enter into heaven as living (spirit) soul when our physical body dies. The body of the faithful is dead and buried, but we in spiritual body go to heaven where we will be until Christ returns the second time to resurrect and change our mortal, corruptible physical body to immortal and incorruptible body reunited with our eternal spirit to live forever with Christ on the new earth. In 1Cor 15 Paul goes into great detail explaining how in death believer's spirits leave the natural body, and as a spiritual body ascend to heaven. (Ec 12:7) Paul also explains that when the last trump sounds the physical bodies of faithful saints shall become immortal and incorruptible and re-united to our spirit that returns with Christ. (1Th 4:14) Then the faithful will once again be complete humans, once more fit to live forever without sin and death upon the new earth.

There is a difference between the natural body of flesh and blood, and the spiritual body having eternal life through Christ. Only our spirit, indwelt with the Holy Spirit from Christ could ascend to heaven after physical death because neither flesh, blood, nor corruption inherit the Kingdom of God.

1 Corinthians 15:35 (KJV) But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come?

1 Corinthians 15:44-50 (KJV) It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit. Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual. The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven. As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly. And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly. Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

Revelation 10 is describing events that happen before the events in chapter 14, which I quoted from. This is before the 1,000 years reign has started, which starts after Satan has been bound.

Please show Scripture to prove what you allege.

 

[rwb]

All the Scriptures you Post are 100%

You now need to believe the same Scripture that says: 1 Thess 4:13-18 , 1 Cor 15:50-52 , 1 John 3:1-3
There is NO Death in CHRIST at HIS Coming for living Saints


"Behold, I tell you a mystery: We shall not all sleep/die, but we shall all be changed— in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed."

Do you know the difference between "shall not" and "shall ???

Contradiction = changing God's word from "all shall not die" to "all shall die"

Focus your attention on CHRIST, the Resurrection/Rapture = being instanly Changed from death and mortality to IMMORTALITY and Eternal LIFE.

There is no death for the faithful in Christ because Christ promises whosoever lives and believes in Him shall NEVER die. (Jo 11:26) Christ spoke these words to the sister of Lazarus, who had already physically died. That would be a clear contradiction of Scripture if we did not realize the meaning of no death for the faithful in Christ is NOT physical. Because every mortal human is appointed to die once.

The passage you continue to harp about clearly tells us that when the last trump sounds the dead (in Christ) will be incorruptible, and we, (those who are still alive at His coming) shall be changed. How are those alive at His coming changed? Their mortal, corruptible body perishes because it becomes immortal and incorruptible.

You continue to drone on and on as though Paul says those physically alive at Christ's coming shall NEVER die! Read it without preconceived opinions. Paul is simply telling us that some will be alive (shall not die) when Christ returns, but that does not matter, because they, like the dead in Christ shall also become immortal and incorruptible along with every faithful saint. This can only happen through the perishing of the mortal, corruptible flesh appointed to die ONCE.

1 Corinthians 15:51 (KJV) Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,

Here we see clear evidence of your biased preconceived opinions being forced into the Word of God.

You change "we shall not all sleep" to "all shall not die". That's a big difference because Paul is not saying all shall not die. Only you are!

"Contradiction = changing God's word from "all shall not die" to "all shall die""

 

[keithr]

Revelation 20:5 "The rest of the dead did not come back to life until the thousand years were finished."

The "rest of the dead" are not resurrected until AFTER the 1,000 Year Reign of Christ with His Glorified Saints.

That's a poor translation. The Greek word anazao means according to the Online Bible Greek Lexicon:

1) live again, recover life​

1a) to be restored to a correct life​

1a1) of one who returns to a better moral state​

1b) to revive, regain strength and vigour​

They will not be considered alive again until they have been judged worthy of eternal life. They will have up to 1,000 years of living on the earth and being brought back to perfection under the rule of Christ.

1 Corinthans 15:21-26 (WEB):

(21) For since death came by man, the resurrection of the dead also came by man.​

(22) For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ all will be made alive.​

(23) But each in his own order: Christ the first fruits, then those who are Christ’s, at his coming.​

(24) Then the end comes, when he will deliver up the Kingdom to God, even the Father; when he will have abolished all rule and all authority and power.​

(25) For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet.​

(26) The last enemy that will be abolished is death.​

The resurrection occurs at Jesus' coming - at the start of his reign, not the end of his reign. During his reign all enemies will be overcome, and at the end of his reign death will be abolished (there will be no more death).

 

[rwb]

That's a poor translation. The Greek word anazao means according to the Online Bible Greek Lexicon:

1) live again, recover life1a) to be restored to a correct life1a1) of one who returns to a better moral state1b) to revive, regain strength and vigour
They will not be considered alive again until they have been judged worthy of eternal life. They will have up to 1,000 years of living on the earth and being brought back to perfection under the rule of Christ.

Revelation 20:5 (KJV) But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

The verse above shows a double negative. It reads the dead lived not lived because both 'lived' and 'again' are translated from the Greek word anazao.

Strong's Greek Dictionary
326. ἀναζάω anazao (anazáō)
Search for G326 in KJVSL; in KJV

ἀναζάω anazáō, an-ad-zah'-o

from G303 and G2198; to recover life (literally or figuratively):—(be a-)live again, revive.

verb

The verse is not telling us the rest of the dead will be resurrected to new life for this earth, but they shall be revived or recover life again to stand before God in judgment to give account according to what is written in the books and the book of life. John makes a distinction between the rest of the dead, and the martyred saints as living souls who are alive in heaven after they have physically died. The rest of the dead, opposite of those who are dead, yet still alive in heaven, shall be "the dead" returned to life to be judged.

Revelation 20:11-15 (KJV) And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

 

[David in NJ]

There is no death for the faithful in Christ because Christ promises whosoever lives and believes in Him shall NEVER die. (Jo 11:26) Christ spoke these words to the sister of Lazarus, who had already physically died. That would be a clear contradiction of Scripture if we did not realize the meaning of no death for the faithful in Christ is NOT physical. Because every mortal human is appointed to die once.

The passage you continue to harp about clearly tells us that when the last trump sounds the dead (in Christ) will be incorruptible, and we, (those who are still alive at His coming) shall be changed. How are those alive at His coming changed? Their mortal, corruptible body perishes because it becomes immortal and incorruptible.

You continue to drone on and on as though Paul says those physically alive at Christ's coming shall NEVER die! Read it without preconceived opinions. Paul is simply telling us that some will be alive (shall not die) when Christ returns, but that does not matter, because they, like the dead in Christ shall also become immortal and incorruptible along with every faithful saint. This can only happen through the perishing of the mortal, corruptible flesh appointed to die ONCE.

1 Corinthians 15:51 (KJV) Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,

Here we see clear evidence of your biased preconceived opinions being forced into the Word of God.

You change "we shall not all sleep" to "all shall not die". That's a big difference because Paul is not saying all shall not die. Only you are!

"Contradiction = changing God's word from "all shall not die" to "all shall die""

Contradiction of Scripture = "Paul is simply telling us that some will be alive (shall not die) when Christ returns, but that does not matter,"

God says: "all shall not die"
You say: "it does not matter" and go against God by saying "all shall die"

You have provided the evidence of your contradiction against scripture = from your own words.

Scripture is in Perfect Harmony = "all shall not die" = is in Harmony with CHRIST who's Second Coming swallows UP death.

"Behold, I tell you a mystery: We shall not all sleep/die/death, but we shall all be changed— in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed."
1 Cor 15:50-51

So simple a child can understand.

 

[keithr]

Chapter and verse please.

Revelation 20:2-7.

Faithful saints will enter into heaven as living (spirit) soul when our physical body dies.

No, we don't get to go to be with Jesus in heaven until he returns for the Church - the first resurrection and rapture. It's not until then that the dead in Christ will be restored to life and changed and be given a spirit body.

The body of the faithful is dead and buried, but we in spiritual body go to heaven where we will be until Christ returns the second time to resurrect and change our mortal, corruptible physical body to immortal and incorruptible body reunited with our eternal spirit to live forever with Christ on the new earth.

What? Why does Jesus return to the earth for the Church if they are already living with him in heaven?! We won't be given a spiritual body when we die (because we'll be dead!), and then later reunited with rotted flesh and bones converted into another body. How many bodies do you want?! The dead in Christ remain "asleep" in death until they are resurrected to life again. That occurs suddenly when Jesus descends from heaven with a shout (1 Thessalonians 4:6), then those Christians still alive will be "caught up" to be with them and Jesus in the air, and then return with Jesus to his heavenly home. That event hasn't happened yet, so no dead Christians have yet been restored to life.

In 1Cor 15 Paul goes into great detail explaining how in death believer's spirits leave the natural body, and as a spiritual body ascend to heaven.

No he doesn't! He say that when we die and are buried, like a seed that is buried and at a later time something completely different to the seed springs to life, so likewise we will have a completely different body in the resurrection. 1 Corinthians 15:42 (WEB):

(42) So also is the resurrection of the dead. The body is sown perishable; it is raised imperishable.​

That is when we are resurrected, NOT when we die. We have a perishable body when we die, but when we are resurrected God will give Christians an imperishable body. Paul continues with, 1 Corinthians 15:51-52 (WEB):

(51) Behold, I tell you a mystery. We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed,​

(52) in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we will be changed.​

That resurrection, the giving of a spirit body, occurs "at the last trumpet", not immediately that a person dies.

Then the faithful will once again be complete humans, once more fit to live forever without sin and death upon the new earth.

No, Paul explains that the resurrection body is completely different to the sown corruptible human body. Christians are changed - they will no longer be human. 1 Corinthians 15:50 (WEB):

(50) Now I say this, brothers, that flesh and blood can’t inherit God’s Kingdom; neither does the perishable inherit imperishable.​

 

[David in NJ]

That's a poor translation. The Greek word anazao means according to the Online Bible Greek Lexicon:

1) live again, recover life​

1a) to be restored to a correct life​

1a1) of one who returns to a better moral state​

1b) to revive, regain strength and vigour​

They will not be considered alive again until they have been judged worthy of eternal life. They will have up to 1,000 years of living on the earth and being brought back to perfection under the rule of Christ.

1 Corinthans 15:21-26 (WEB):

(21) For since death came by man, the resurrection of the dead also came by man.​

(22) For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ all will be made alive.​

(23) But each in his own order: Christ the first fruits, then those who are Christ’s, at his coming.​

(24) Then the end comes, when he will deliver up the Kingdom to God, even the Father; when he will have abolished all rule and all authority and power.​

(25) For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet.​

(26) The last enemy that will be abolished is death.​

The resurrection occurs at Jesus' coming - at the start of his reign, not the end of his reign. During his reign all enemies will be overcome, and at the end of his reign death will be abolished (there will be no more death).

keithr

You need JESUS Christ to be your LORD and you need the Holy Spirit to fill you.

As long as you, and others on here, continue in unbelief, you will not SEE what God has spoken.

BEWARE the judgement = "ever learning and never able to come to the truth...."

 

[keithr]

As long as you, and others on here, continue in unbelief, you will not SEE what God has spoken.

Unbelief of what? I am a Christian, and I'm trying to help others like yourself to understand God's word. I'm also seeking to learn new things from God's word, but like the Bereans I check with the Scriptures to prove what others say. Some of what you have written doesn't tally with the Scriptures. I believe that what I've written does.

Acts 17:11

(11) Now these were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, examining the Scriptures daily to see whether these things were so.​

 

[David in NJ]

Unbelief of what? I am a Christian, and I'm trying to help others like yourself to understand God's word. I'm also seeking to learn new things from God's word, but like the Bereans I check with the Scriptures to prove what others say. Some of what you have written doesn't tally with the Scriptures. I believe that what I've written does.

Acts 17:11

(11) Now these were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, examining the Scriptures daily to see whether these things were so.​

keithr, i appreciate you and God's Love for you

#1. Many people on here like to argue against scripture rather then submitting to it = religion binds and blinds.

#2. Many people on here violate God's Commandment and could care less about it = Duet 4:1-2 , Proverbs 30:5-6 , Revelation 22:18-19

#3. Everyone does what is right in their own eyes UNLESS they submit to Christ and His word.

Now I plead with you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment. For it has been declared to me concerning you, my brethren, by those of Chloe’s household, that there are contentions among you. Now I say this, that each of you says, “I am of Paul,” or “I am of Apollos,” or “I am of Cephas,” or “I am of Christ.” Is Christ divided? Was Paul crucified for you? Or were you baptized in the name of Paul?

P.S. = Anyone can declare themself a 'christian' without Christ = Matthew 7:21-23
Are you one of those on here that feel that you do not need to bow your knee unto the LORD Jesus Christ? = Isa 45:15-23

All of Heaven worships the Lamb/LORD Jesus Christ the same as they worship the FATHER = Revelation 5:1-10

Read and Pray the Gospel of John and Acts which show us the Path to Eternal Life

 

[keithr]

Revelation 20:5 (KJV) But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

The verse is not telling us the rest of the dead will be resurrected to new life for this earth, but they shall be revived or recover life again to stand before God in judgment to give account according to what is written in the books and the book of life. John makes a distinction between the rest of the dead, and the martyred saints as living souls who are alive in heaven after they have physically died. The rest of the dead, opposite of those who are dead, yet still alive in heaven, shall be "the dead" returned to life to be judged.

Dead yet still alive?! That's a contradiction of terms! Nobody can be dead and alive at the same time. Why does God need to restore people to life in order to judge whether they are worthy of eternal life? Why would he restore someone to life only to tell them that He is condemning them to a second death?

If all the saints have been resurrected and are ruling in heaven at the beginning of the 1,000 years reign, then who are the saints living on the earth at the end of the 1,000 years? :

Revelation 20:7-9 (WEB):

(7) And after the thousand years, Satan will be released from his prison,​

(8) and he will come out to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to the war; the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.​

(9) They went up over the width of the earth, and surrounded the camp of the saints, and the beloved city. Fire came down out of heaven from God and devoured them.​

Those holy ones (saints) are those that have believed and been made holy during the 1,000 years reign; they're people who have had a part in the second resurrection.

 

[keithr]

Are you one of those on here that feel that you do not need to bow your knee unto the LORD Jesus Christ? = Isa 45:15-23

No, I'm not one of those people. (And it's Lord, not LORD.)

 

[bbyrd009]

Nobody can be dead and alive at the same time

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Let the dead bury the dead

Unbelief of what? I am a Christian, and I'm trying to help others like yourself to understand God's word. I'm also seeking to learn new things from God's word, but like the Bereans I check with the Scriptures to prove what others say. Some of what you have written doesn't tally with the Scriptures. I believe that what I've written does.

Acts 17:11

(11) Now these were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, examining the Scriptures daily to see whether these things were so.​

kind of funny that you refer to Scripture as God’s Word, and then Quote a Scripture demonstrating that it isnt

 

[keithr]

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Let the dead bury the dead

As I wrote in another thread recently:

Matthew 8:22 (WEB):

(22) But Jesus said to him, “Follow me, and leave the dead to bury their own dead.”​

How can the dead bury people? Clearly Jesus was referring to the non-believers as dead, even though they were clearly alive. As Paul wrote, Ephesians 2 (WEB):

(1) You were made alive when you were dead in transgressions and sins,​

(4) But God, being rich in mercy, for his great love with which he loved us,​

(5) even when we were dead through our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved),​

again referring to alive people as though they were dead. The wages of sin is death (Romans 6:23), so all sinners (all people) are reckoned as dead. We are only reckoned as having eternal life if we have faith in Jesus.

That's not what rwb was refering to when he said "those who are dead yet still alive in heaven".

kind of funny that you refer to Scripture as God’s Word, and then Quote a Scripture demonstrating that it isnt

How is Acts 17:11 demonstrating that God's word isn't Scripture? It's saying that whatever someone tells you, if it doesn't agree with God's written Scripture (in their case, just the Old Testament) then you shouldn't believe it.

 

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Revelation 20:2-7.

Why did you stop at vs 7? If you continue to read we discover the thousand years (which btw equates to time given the Church during this age of time for proclaiming the Gospel to all the world) of time end and Satan is loosed to come against the saints one last time for his "little season" when fire of God comes down from heaven to devour them and Satan is cast into the lake of fire where the beast and false prophet are. Since that marks the end of time given this Gospel age, the thousand years must be interpreted as TIME during this age that began with the first advent of Christ that will end when the seventh angel begins to sound that time shall be no longer.

No, we don't get to go to be with Jesus in heaven until he returns for the Church - the first resurrection and rapture. It's not until then that the dead in Christ will be restored to life and changed and be given a spirit body.

When Christ returns, we shall be physically changed, resurrected immortal and incorruptible to inherit everlasting life on the new earth. Why would we desire to go to a spiritual habitation; heaven when Christ comes again? We long for heaven after physical death, because that is where Christ is, and He promised that where He is we shall be also. But our everlasting home as complete living soul with immortal & incorruptible physical body, re-united with our eternal spirit that returns with Christ shall be the whole new earth.

No he doesn't! He say that when we die and are buried, like a seed that is buried and at a later time something completely different to the seed springs to life, so likewise we will have a completely different body in the resurrection. 1 Corinthians 15:42 (WEB):

(42) So also is the resurrection of the dead. The body is sown perishable; it is raised imperishable.
That is when we are resurrected, NOT when we die. We have a perishable body when we die, but when we are resurrected God will give Christians an imperishable body. Paul continues with, 1 Corinthians 15:51-52 (WEB):

(51) Behold, I tell you a mystery. We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed,(52) in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we will be changed.
That resurrection, the giving of a spirit body, occurs "at the last trumpet", not immediately that a person dies.

If faithful men are not raised a spiritual body when our natural, physical body is dead, why does Paul say we are?

1 Corinthians 15:35 (KJV) But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come?

1 Corinthians 15:44 (KJV) It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

Read carefully, Paul says there is a natural body, and a spiritual body. When we are physically resurrected immortal & incorruptible when the last trumpet sounds. But Paul says we are raised a spiritual body when our natural physical body dies. Paul clearly says that when our natural body is sown in the earth after death faithful saints are at that very moment raised a spiritual body. We have a little better understanding of Paul's teaching by hearing Christ explains that in the resurrection the faithful shall be as are the angels in heaven because God is the God of the living and not the dead.

In the following passage, Christ, speaking of resurrection after physical death is not speaking of the bodily resurrection that shall be when the last trumpet sounds. He would not say we will be as the angels in heaven, which are spirit, not physical beings, if He were speaking of our physical resurrection to immortal & incorruptible human flesh, as mankind was in the beginning when Christ created mankind without sin and death.

Mark 12:23-27 (KJV) In the resurrection therefore, when they shall rise, whose wife shall she be of them? for the seven had her to wife. And Jesus answering said unto them, Do ye not therefore err, because ye know not the scriptures, neither the power of God? For when they shall rise from the dead, they neither marry, nor are given in marriage; but are as the angels which are in heaven. And as touching the dead, that they rise: have ye not read in the book of Moses, how in the bush God spake unto him, saying, I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? He is not the God of the dead, but the God of the living: ye therefore do greatly err.

This helps to confirm the words of Paul when he says men/women of faith after our body dies immediately ascend to heaven a spiritual body. It is in heaven where those resurrected after death shall be like the angels in heaven, just as both Christ and Paul tell us.

You'll have to explain what you mean when you say we become a spiritual body when the last trumpet sounds??? Mankind has a physical body with spirit that came from God, and together we are a living soul. Since our spirit indwelt with the Holy Spirit from Christ possesses eternal life through Him, as spiritual body we leave our natural physical body and ascend to heaven when we die, where we will be until the last trumpet sounds.

No, Paul explains that the resurrection body is completely different to the sown corruptible human body. Christians are changed - they will no longer be human. 1 Corinthians 15:50 (WEB):

(50) Now I say this, brothers, that flesh and blood can’t inherit God’s Kingdom; neither does the perishable inherit imperishable.

Our new immortal & incorruptible bodies will absolutely be different. But before the resurrection of our physical body, as spiritual body we will ascend to heaven a living (spirit) soul when our natural body dies. Just vs 50 says neither flesh and blood or corruption can inherit the Kingdom of God. That's why it is only as spiritual body already possessing eternal life through Christ can ascend to heaven to be with the Lord until our physical body too is resurrected immortal and incorruptible when the last trump sounds, and time given this age shall be no longer.