What is "Parousia"?

[bbyrd009]

I see you are using your strainer again. But in English it says come, but in the greek construction as I showed you it means coming! So take it up wioth god and how He inspired the writers to form the sentences.

you are perfectly free to wait for Jesus to come tomorrow if you like, rn

 

[David in NJ]

For they themselves report what kind of welcome you gave us, and how you turned to God from idols to serve the living and true God
and to await His Son from heaven, whom He raised from the dead—Jesus our Deliverer from the coming wrath.
1 Thess 1:10

 

[Ronald Nolette]

you are perfectly free to wait for Jesus to come tomorrow if you like, rn

WEll as I will be in heaven, for me and all believers in teh physical resurrection of Jesus, we will not have to wait!

 

[bbyrd009]

WEll as I will be in heaven, for me and all believers in teh physical resurrection of Jesus, we will not have to wait!

well, Jesus Himself said that No one has ever gone up to heaven…, but you may treat that however you like rn
have a nice day

 

[Ronald Nolette]

well, Jesus Himself said that No one has ever gone up to heaven…, but you may treat that however you like rn
have a nice day

That was before- but not now! If you knew the bible you would know that.

 

[Taken]

You know i was using others statements, who are crying the blues against "Enoch did not experience death".

Moses died and God had to hide his body because of the rebellious idolatrous people who were under him.

It is clear as Day in Scripture that Enoch did not die for "Enoch did not experience death for God took him".

Whereas, in comparison the Scripture says: Deut 34:5-7

So Moses the servant of the Lord died there in the land of Moab, according to the word of the Lord. And He buried him in a valley in the land of Moab, opposite Beth Peor; but no one knows his grave to this day.

The Jews today, every year, flock together to cry over the 'dead Rebbi' Schneerson and praying that he rises from the grave.........

Thank you.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

David in NJ said:
You know i was using others statements, who are crying the blues against "Enoch did not experience death".

Moses died and God had to hide his body because of the rebellious idolatrous people who were under him.

It is clear as Day in Scripture that Enoch did not die for "Enoch did not experience death for God took him".

It is interesting in light of some scholars who teach that because men are to die once- that Elijah and Enoch are the two witnesses in REvelation! I don't believe that for it is wrought with problems but an interesting thought nonetheless.

 

[David in NJ]

David in NJ said:
You know i was using others statements, who are crying the blues against "Enoch did not experience death".

Moses died and God had to hide his body because of the rebellious idolatrous people who were under him.

It is clear as Day in Scripture that Enoch did not die for "Enoch did not experience death for God took him".

It is interesting in light of some scholars who teach that because men are to die once- that Elijah and Enoch are the two witnesses in REvelation! I don't believe that for it is wrought with problems but an interesting thought nonetheless.

scholars? - lol

What problems do you see with E & E being the 2 witnesses in Rev?

 

[bbyrd009]

That was before- but not now! If you knew the bible you would know that.

rn, there is an abundance of support for that v, and i dont expect you, nor david in nj, nor any other cult of sol adherent to acknowledge any of it, ok
have a nice day

 

[Ronald Nolette]

scholars? - lol

What problems do you see with E & E being the 2 witnesses in Rev?

1. Enoch was taken so he would not see death!
2. When teh church is raptured, millions will not see death.

 

[David in NJ]

rn, there is an abundance of support for that v, and i dont expect you, nor david in nj, nor any other cult of sol adherent to acknowledge any of it, ok
have a nice day

CULT???

i'm in CHRIST and FREE from all cults, all religions and the doctrines of demons

You can be also!

Read and Pray back to God the Gospel of John

 

[David in NJ]

1. Enoch was taken so he would not see death!
2. When teh church is raptured, millions will not see death.

AMEN = at the Second Coming of CHRIST = the dead in Christ will Rise First

After that, we who are alive and remain will be caught Up = raptured

Do you believe Enoch is symbolic of the 'Church'?

 

[bbyrd009]

CULT???

i'm in CHRIST and FREE from all cults, all religions and the doctrines of demons

You can be also!

Read and Pray back to God the Gospel of John

pls go away
at least until you are willing to confront the Bible vv you currently have deleted, ty

 

[David in NJ]

pls go away
at least until you are willing to confront the Bible vv you currently have deleted, ty

i have the Risen Living Version in my spirit/heart/mind whereby my first words as a New Born were "Abba-Abba"

The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of Truth whom the world cannot receive.

One Day i will go from here and in that Day i will see my Savior face to Face.


“Behold, I am coming soon, and My reward is with Me, to give to each one according to what he has done.
I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.”

Blessed are those who wash their robes, so that they may have the right to the tree of life and may enter the city by its gates.
But outside are the dogs, the sorcerers, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idolaters, and everyone who loves and practices falsehood.

“I, Jesus, have sent My angel to give you this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, the bright Morning Star.”

The Spirit and the bride say, “Come!” Let the one who hears say, “Come!” And let the one who is thirsty come, and the one who desires the water of life drink freely.

 

[bbyrd009]

at least until you are willing to confront the Bible vv you currently have deleted, ty

 

[keithr]

Translations are translations! they are not the originals. If you want to see what was actually written, go back to the original language. and the YLT and LSV you cite as literal translations are not literal byt dynamic. for "having" does not appear at all.

According to Strong's:

erchomai

er'-khom-ahee​

Middle voice of a primary verb (used only in the present and imperfect tenses, the others being supplied by a kindred [middle voice] word, ἐλεύθομαι eleuthomai or ἔλθω elthō; which do not otherwise occur); to come or go (in a great variety of applications, literally and figuratively): - accompany, appear, bring, come enter, fall out, go, grow, X light, X next, pass, resort, be set.​

So I don't think that it is referring to a future coming back. The Cambridge Bible notes says of verse 2:

The sentence may be taken in more ways than one: (1) as both A. V. and R. V.; (2) more accurately, and with some difference of meaning; confesseth Jesus Christ as come in the flesh; (3) confesseth that Jesus is the Christ come in the flesh. Remark that S. John does not say ‘come into the flesh’, but ‘in the flesh’: Christ did not descend (as Cerinthus said) into an already existing man, but He came in human nature; He ‘became flesh’. Moreover he does not say that the confession is to be of a Christ who came (ἐλθόντα), but of a Christ who is come (ἐληλυθότα). This ‘coming’ is not an exhausted fact: He is come and abides in the flesh.​

Albert Barnes' notes says:

That Jesus Christ is come in the flesh - Benson and some others propose to render this, “That Jesus, who came in the flesh, is the Christ.” But this is liable to serious objections.​

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(1) It is not the obvious interpretation.​

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(2) It is unusual to say that Jesus “had come in the flesh,” though the expression “the Son of God has come in the flesh,” or “God was manifested in the flesh,” would be in accordance with the usage of the New Testament.​

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(3) This would not, probably, meet the real point in the case. The thing denied does not appear to have been that Jesus was the Messiah, for their pretending to be Christian teachers at all implied that they admitted this; but that the Son of God was “really a man,” or that he actually assumed human nature in permanent union with the divine. The point of the remark made by the apostle is, that the acknowledgment was to be that Christ assumed human nature; that he was really a man as he appeared to be: or that there was a real incarnation, in opposition to the opinion that he came in appearance only, or that he merely seemed to be a man, and to suffer and die. That this opinion was held by many, see the Introduction, Section III. 2. It is quite probable that the apostle here refers to such sentiments as those which were held by the “Docetae;” and that he meant to teach that it was indispensable to proper evidence that anyone came from God, that he should maintain that Jesus was truly a man, or that there was a real incarnation of the Son of God. John always regarded this as a very important point, and often refers to it, Joh_19:34-35; Joh_20:25-27; 1Jn_5:6. It is as important to be held now as it was then, for the fact that there was a real incarnation is essential to all just views of the atonement. If he was not truly a man, if he did not literally shed his blood on the cross, of course all that was done was in appearance only, and the whole system of redemption as revealed was merely a splendid illusion. There is little danger that this opinion will be held now, for those who depart from the doctrine laid down in the New Testament in regard to the person and work of Christ, are more disposed to embrace the opinion that he was a mere man; but still it is important that the truth that he was truly incarnate should be held up constantly before the mind, for in no other way can we obtain just views of the atonement.​

 

[Ronald Nolette]

AMEN = at the Second Coming of CHRIST = the dead in Christ will Rise First

After that, we who are alive and remain will be caught Up = raptured

Do you believe Enoch is symbolic of the 'Church'?

Well more Elijah than Enoch, but I do not get too dogmatic over stuff like that. there being caught up is definitely are a type of the rapture of the church.

 

[David in NJ]

Well more Elijah than Enoch, but I do not get too dogmatic over stuff like that. there being caught up is definitely are a type of the rapture of the church.

Rapture = 100% TRUE

In what way do you see they represent the 'church'?

 

[amigo de christo]

YES, it was written for all the Saints at that time and Forward = until all things are fulfilled therein.

BEGIN here = Revelation chapter 1
Behold, He is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see Him—even those who pierced Him. And all the tribes of the earth will mourn because of Him. So shall it be! Amen.
“I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, who is and was and is to come—the Almighty.

END here = Revelation chapter 22
“Behold, I am coming soon, and My reward is with Me, to give to each one according to what he has done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.”
“I, Jesus, have sent My angel to give you this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, the bright Morning Star.”

The Spirit and the bride say, “Come!” Let the one who hears say, “Come!” And let the one who is thirsty come, and the one who desires the water of life drink freely.

Currently - we are HERE = Matthew 24:12-14
And because lawlessness will abound, the love of many will grow cold. But he who endures to the end shall be saved.
And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come.

yes indeed , the problem is most think we are not HERE but rather we are entering into a time of great awakening and unity
and world peace . THEY GOT NO idea they are part of and in THE FALLING AWAY and that indeed
we are RIGHT at mathew twenty twelve fourteen . No idea . all they desire is this UNITY , this we are one ,
this lets just come together with all . IT IS THE DELUSION that IS GATHERING the WORLD as one
RIGHT UNTO the day of ARMEGEDDON . But they think its GODS WILL for world peace and safety .
WHEN in truth the image of GOD has been changed to serve another who is not GOD but has always desired to be AS GOD .
Lambs KNOW THEIR GOD and THEIR KING CHRIST JESUS and they shall contend for the true faith through it all .
THEY wont sit under a false unity nor follow a false love . THEY WILL FOLLOW THE LAMB and HE ALONE no matter the cost .

 

[David in NJ]

If you could show me a passage that suggest “and forward”, please do.

The Bible in my opinion is one of the hugest gifts God gave us and is beneficial to spiritual living. But those letters where not written to “me in Alabama” or “you in Australia”. This is not saying there is nothing not to learn.

Paul, called to be an apostle of Christ Jesus by the will of God, and our brother Sosthenes,

To the church of God in Corinth, to those sanctified in Christ Jesus and called to be holy,
together with all those everywhere who call on the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, their Lord and ours:

Never underestimate or deny the TRUTH that is in the simplicity in Christ