What is the one true Church?

[BreadOfLife]

Sooooo SAY you…I didn’t say that. Obviously you know NOT the difference between Scripture and your own ridiculous comments!

Not surprised !

I simply presented the Scripture as it was written.
YOU'RE theone who called it "ridiculous" . . .

 

[Grailhunter]

That’s because you’re ignorant of what “Holy” means and what “sanctify” means.
Sanctification is “the act of making or declaring something HOLY”, Einstein.

That’s the dictionary definition.

1 Cor. 7:14 clearly states that a believing hisband or wife SANCTIFIES (makes HOLY) their spouse.
Go buy a dictionary – and while you’re at it – get a Bible, too . . .

Well I am glad its the children that are holy. Can you find where the Bible says the Apostles are holy?

And “SANCTIFIES” means “makes HOLY”.

HELLOOOOO . . .

So all Christians are holy....that is great!

Sooooooo, because YOU have no self-control, you can’t imagine that anybody else does – is that it??

Paul recommends marriage for people like you. He ONLY recommends celibacy for those who can handle it.

Judging by your posts, describing your sexual fetishes with inanimate objects – I would suggest some intense therapy before entering into a human relationship . . .

Considering the history of the Catholic Church and all the lawsuits now.....if does not look like self control is part of their religion.

 

[Taken]

I simply presented the Scripture as it was written.
YOU'RE theone who called it "ridiculous" . . .

Enough is Enough!!
Your reputation is Talking FOR others….posting Scripture then making your ridiculous comments….and going on and on about YOU…making post after post About YOU is juvenile, deflective and of interest to No one!

 

[Taken]

Well I am glad its the children that are holy. Can you find where the Bible says the Apostles are holy?

So all Christians are holy....that is great!


Considering the history of the Catholic Church and all the lawsuits now.....if does not look like self control is part of their religion.

BOL -
Uh Sanctified means Set Apart, IN Christ.
As long as a man is “IN” Christ, he is still bodily Alive and has NOT yet received His own Glorified Holy Body.

 

[amigo de christo]

RCC is not for me
it used to be, before i could SEE
but now i have the Holy Spirit
it is HE that guides me
do you SEE

The devils den
is naught but the hog pen
where the dog returns to its vomit again .
The lambs shall follow Christ and not look back . yes indeed my friend . THE LORD has pulled us out of
darkness and into HIS LIGHT . The KINGDOM of His dear Son .

 

[amigo de christo]

I grew up in Boston Mass. Not far from Salem where they had the Salem witch trials.

Puritans
The Puritans were English Protestants in the 16th and 17th centuries who sought to purify the Church of England of Roman Catholic practices, maintaining that the Church of England had not been fully reformed and should become more Protestant. Puritanism played a significant role in English history, especially during the Protectorate.Wikipedia

The Salem witch trials were a series of hearings and prosecutions of people accused of witchcraft in colonial Massachusetts between February 1692 and May 1693. More than 200 people were accused. Thirty people were found guilty, 19 of whom were executed by hanging (14 women and five men). One other man, Giles Corey, was pressed to death after refusing to enter a plea, and at least five people died in jail.

Arrests were made in numerous towns beyond Salem and Salem Village (known today as Danvers), notably Andover and Topsfield. The grand juries and trials for this capital crime were conducted by a Court of Oyer and Terminer in 1692 and by a Superior Court of Judicature in 1693, both held in Salem Town, where the hangings also took place. It was the deadliest witch hunt in the history of colonial North America. Only fourteen other women and two men had been executed in Massachusetts and Connecticut during the 17th century.

Gender context​

A majority of people accused and convicted of witchcraft were women (about 78%). Overall, the Puritan belief and prevailing New England culture was that women were inherently sinful and more susceptible to damnation than men were. Throughout their daily lives, Puritans, especially Puritan women, actively attempted to thwart attempts by the Devil to overtake them and their souls. Indeed, Puritans held the belief that men and women were equal in the eyes of God, but not in the eyes of the Devil. Women's souls were seen as unprotected in their weak and vulnerable bodies. Several factors may explain why women were more likely to admit guilt of witchcraft than men. Historian Elizabeth Reis asserts that some likely believed they had truly given in to the Devil, and others might have believed they had done so temporarily. However, because those who confessed were reintegrated into society, some women might have confessed in order to spare their own lives.

Quarrels with neighbors often incited witchcraft allegations. One example of this is Abigail Faulkner, who was accused in 1692. Faulkner admitted she was "angry at what folk said," and the Devil may have temporarily overtaken her, causing harm to her neighbors. Women who did not conform to the norms of Puritan society were more likely to be the target of an accusation, especially those who were unmarried or did not have children.

Salem witch trials - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

For All have sinned and fall short of the Glory of God.
Hugs

Take a closer peek at it . Look at the root of it .
They were killed for NOT admitting to witchcraft . No lamb can admit to a lie .
And upon farther examination , i seem to notice properties were seized . Some who had much
were accused of being witches and their properties taken and given to , YOU GOT IT those who desired such properties .
And if folks actually examined the girls who did the so called accusations , IT SEEMS they were the ones UNDER
the WITCHCRAFT . THESE girls had been messing around
in the woods with witchcraft . THEN SUDDENLY they go into these coma like states
and upon waking up , THEY BEGIN ACCUSING . Not a lick of this adds up . NO TRUE Leaders of any church
WOULD have bought into these lies . Not to mention
WHEN were we , as christains ever taught to put ANYONE TO DEATH .
Rather we are to cast out such who pratice such things . I SEE THE DEVIL ALL OVER THIS .
You do realize that these men and women they accused , WERE actually christains being accused of lies
and in some cases , IT was for their property . exactly .

 

[BreadOfLife]

LOL Well maybe Priests should give up chocolate instead of sex....probably cause less evil.

Soooooo, should married Protestant ministers give up having sex with the children in their congregations, too?

But he still does not say celibacy sanctifies or makes ya holy or a saint....but it makes you horny so that it is always on your mind.
And this verse does not even have the words holy or sanctify in it.

The words “Trinity” or “Triune” don’t appear in Scripture – yet it is THE most basic tenet of Christianity. The word “Bible” isn’t even in the Bible.

YOUR problem, as we discussed in an earlier post is that you don’t know how to READ the bible or differentiate between explicit and implicit teaching.

That is your folly . . .

No doubt that evil people are everywhere.....now find the Protestant churches that pay the settlements to keep them out of prison.

Do you even know how the law works?
Settlements of from CIVIL suits – not criminal prosecutions.

The Church can’t keep a priest out of prison who is being prosecuted in a criminal case – ANY more than a Protestant sect can keep a Pastor out of jail for the same crime.

WRONG.

Paul absolutely used the word “sanctified” in thus discourse (1 Cot. 7:14).
And he goes on to apply this to the celibate person in service to God – and says it’s even BETTER (1 Cot. 7:38).

1st Cot?
1st Corinthians 7:14 For the unbelieving husband is sanctified through his wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified through her believing husband; for otherwise your children are unclean, but now they are holy. Well what do ya know you did find sanctified and the word holy applied to persons....and it is to married couples not celibate priests. And the children are holy! No Original Sin! Can you imagine that!

1st Corinthians 7:38 So then both he who gives his own virgin daughter in marriage does well, and he who does not give her in marriage will do better....Don't you think that the daughter should have a choice.....Fathers picking who there daughters married was still a Christian custom back then. And fathers choosing celibacy for their daughters is something we see in history.....A rather cruel practice that the Catholic Church ended in the 12th century.
But either way he is not talking about sanctification or holy.

If you continue to read the bible by cherry-picking verses, you will remain confused and you will never grow in Christ.

The ENTIRE chapter must be read in CONTEXT. Paul didn’t write a serious of random sentences and paste them together, willy nilly.
LEARN how to study the Scriptures like a grown-up . . .

LOL With all the facts about the Catholic Church presented.....everyone here can see that you are the one in denial.....LOL

Sure, as long as they think – or, rather don’t think – like YOU . . .

 

[Taken]

I wonder if we'll be able to escape from China and communism.
They are the greatest physical threat to any society that has any religious inclination whatsoever.

The current Threat Now is Some waving the Flag of and mantra of Freedom while Plotting behind closed doors to Squash Liberty by every means possible Including Killing.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Well I am glad its the children that are holy. Can you find where the Bible says the Apostles are holy?

So all Christians are holy....that is great!

All true Christians are in the LIFELOMG PROCESS of being made holy.
God is SANCTIFY-ING us (1 Cor. 1:8, 2 Cor. 2:15, 7:1, Phil. 2:12, Heb 12:14).

Are we as holy as we can be? Absolutely NOT because we are STILL being worked on.

Considering the history of the Catholic Church and all the lawsuits now.....if does not look like self control is part of their religion.

Unfortunately, a small percentage pf clergy has that problem.
Just like in the Protestant sects . . .

A History of Sex Abuse in the Protestant Imagination

FAQ: Sexual Abuse by Protestant Clergy - The Doan Law Firm​

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Protestants can no longer dismiss abuse as a ‘Catholic problem’

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There Is More Sexual Abuse In The Protestant Churches Than Catholic

Catholic priests no guiltier of sex abuse than other clergy

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Denial About Sexual Abuse In Evangelical Churches

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Confronting Evangelical Enabling of Sexual Abuse

Child abuse a Calvinist problem, podcast says

Protestant Churches Grapple With Growing Sexual Abuse Crisis ​

 

[BreadOfLife]

Enough is Enough!!
Your reputation is Talking FOR others….posting Scripture then making your ridiculous comments….and going on and on about YOU…making post after post About YOU is juvenile, deflective and of interest to No one!

Hey - I'm simply posting Scriptural truth .
If it offends you - take it up with GOD . . .

 

[amigo de christo]

The current Threat Now is Some waving the Flag of and mantra of Freedom while Plotting behind closed doors to Squash Liberty by every means possible Including Killing.

This too they do with the flag of the all inclusive rainbow . For they too holler freedom , YET ITS BONDAGE
and the end thereof is death .

 

[Grailhunter]

Soooooo, should married Protestant ministers give up having sex with the children in their congregations, too?

As far as I am concerned they should be skinned alive.
But no church should try to cover it up and spend money to keep them out of prison or settle lawsuits.

The words “Trinity” or “Triune” don’t appear in Scripture – yet it is THE most basic tenet of Christianity. The word “Bible” isn’t even in the Bible.

YOUR problem, as we discussed in an earlier post is that you don’t know how to READ the bible or differentiate between explicit and implicit teaching.

That is your folly . . .

The Bible did not exist when the scriptures were written....Duh!
One of the red flags that point to false beliefs is if a theological term or phrase is built up but is not in the Bible. Trinity, Original Sin, fornication, etc are things that someone wanted people to believe. You can call God the Father and God the Son and God the Holy Spirit the Trinity but it is not one person.

Do you even know how the law works?
Settlements of from CIVIL suits – not criminal prosecutions.

Settlements are paid in lieu of victims pressing criminal charges.

The Church can’t keep a priest out of prison who is being prosecuted in a criminal case – ANY more than a Protestant sect can keep a Pastor out of jail for the same crime.

Settlements are paid in lieu of victims pressing criminal charges.

If you continue to read the bible by cherry-picking verses, you will remain confused and you will never grow in Christ.

The ENTIRE chapter must be read in CONTEXT. Paul didn’t write a serious of random sentences and paste them together, willy nilly.
LEARN how to study the Scriptures like a grown-up . . .

That is good advise you should take. Celibacy does not make you holy and the Catholic Church has proven that.

Sure, as long as they think – or, rather don’t think – like YOU . . .

Is that all ya got! Most anyone here can see what celibacy has done for the Catholic Church and that you are the one in denial.
The modern Catholic Church is far superior to it history, but it still has some serious issues that they need to change.
The Catholic Church has made official apologies for the sins and atrocities of its past. The very sins and atrocities that I have point out. So what I have said is true. The 90 theses that Martin Luther nailed to the castle church in Germany was not a lie and pointed out a lot of the corruption in the Church. And history proves the atrocities.

You have people like you that want to hold the Catholic Church back and prevent it from being a great Church. I mean you can read these posts, there are Protestants that think the Catholic Church is the devil and the Pope is the anti-Christ. It is people like you that are going to prevent that from changing.

Now you are probably thinking that I do not like the Catholic Church, but I love Catholics and the Catholic Church....believe it or not, I am fighting for the Church's future. Granted my approach is a little rough, I call it shaking the tree! I am the sort of fellow that will slap the snot out of a good friend for doing wrong. You have heard of the slogan "Friends don't let friends drive drunk" I don't let friends live stupid.

The clock is ticking and if the Church does not change things are going to go bad for them.

 

[Grailhunter]

All true Christians are in the LIFELOMG PROCESS of being made holy.
God is SANCTIFY-ING us (1 Cor. 1:8, 2 Cor. 2:15, 7:1, Phil. 2:12, Heb 12:14).

Are we as holy as we can be? Absolutely NOT because we are STILL being worked on.

I do not believe people are holy only God.

A History of Sex Abuse in the Protestant Imagination

Like I said skin em alive!
And what Protestants do is evil and what the Catholics do is evil. But the Protestants do not have a centuries old system for cover ups. And when it comes to Nuns...a system that has control of them.....as the Pope has apologized for.
Most of the Protestant churches are to small to pay millions of dollars for settlements.

 

[Illuminator]

Is that all ya got! Most anyone here can see what celibacy has done for the Catholic Church and that you are the one in denial.
The modern Catholic Church is far superior to it history, but it still has some serious issues that they need to change.
The Catholic Church has made official apologies for the sins and atrocities of its past. The very sins and atrocities that I have point out. So what I have said is true. The 90 theses that Martin Luther nailed to the castle church in Germany was not a lie and pointed out a lot of the corruption in the Church. And history proves the atrocities.

I challenge you to name ONE Protestant who apologized for their centuries old atrocities, and stop pretending there weren't any.
It's a stupid childish argument that goes nowhere.

Disclaimer and statement of intent: Unfortunately, the religious “scandal score” needs to be evened up now and then, and the lesser-known “skeletons in the closet” need to be rescued from obscurity, surveyed, and exposed. I take no pleasure in “dredging up” these unsavory occurrences, but it is necessary for honest, fair historical appraisal. This does not mean that I have forsaken ecumenism, or that I wish to bash Protestants, or that I deny corresponding Catholic shortcomings.

Historical facts are what they are, and most Protestants (and Catholics) are unaware of the following historical events and beliefs (while, on the other hand, one always hears about the embarrassing and scandalous Catholic stuff — and not often very accurately or fairly at that). If (as I suspect might often be the case) readers are shocked or surprised by the very title of this paper, this would be a case in point, and justification enough for my purposes of education.

Even James Swan, an anti-Catholic Reformed Protestant polemicist and controversialist, who has often incompetently and unfairly savaged my research on early Protestantism, freely admits:

***“[T]here is a sense in which I’m sympathetic to the defenders of Rome who put forth the Tu quoque argument that Protestants have also committed atrocities, so bringing up Rome’s past sins isn’t a logically compelling argument against her . This is why I rarely have written against Rome by pointing out her moral evils.” (on his website, 9-9-17) He also writes of Hartmann Grisar, the Jesuit Luther biographer whom I cite a lot below: “I have found him to be mostly reliable with his citations.” (2-7-07)​

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With that end and stated outlook in mind, I offer this copiously researched treatise, with all due respect to my Protestant brethren, yet not without some remaining trepidation.* * * * *
CONTENTS
I. PROTESTANT INTOLERANCE: AN OVERVIEW

II. PLUNDER AS AN AGENT OF RELIGIOUS REVOLUTION

III. SYSTEMATIC SUPPRESSION OF CATHOLICISM

IV. PROTESTANT CENSORSHIP

BIBLIOGRAPHY

Protestant Inquisitions: "Reformation" Intolerance & Persecution

Documentation that the early Protestants were every bit as intolerant as Catholics, and engaged in systematic persecuting inquisitions.

www.patheos.com

This treatise features citations from Protestant and secular scholars.​

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[Illuminator]

The clock is ticking and if the Church does not change things are going to go bad for them.

The Church is in a constant state or renewal. That's why we have synods and councils. You have no synods or councils.
Why don't you write an open letter to the Pope right here on this board listing the changes the Church must make, according to your relativistic liberalism. If you can't do that, stop crying over issues you know nothing about.
All those wishing to write to the Pope, may send their letters to the following address:

His Holiness Pope Francis
00120 Vatican City

How to write to Pope Francis - Vaticano.com

All those wishing to write to the Pope, may send their letters to the following address: His Holiness Pope Francis00120...

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[Grailhunter]

I challenge you to name ONE Protestant who apologized for their centuries old atrocities.

Centuries of atrocities?
First off you cannot lump Protestants into one church. But if you want to discuss it....feel free.
Do you think they had a manual on how to torture women? Malleus Maleficarum....
Torturing and killing millions of people....do you think you can find that in Protestant history.
Part of the reason that the Catholic Church could do that and get away with it, was because of their power....The Catholic Church does not have that power anymore and the Protestants never had it.

 

[Jim B]

The current Threat Now is Some waving the Flag of and mantra of Freedom while Plotting behind closed doors to Squash Liberty by every means possible Including Killing.

This is INSANE!!!

 

[Grailhunter]

The Church is in a constant state or renewal. That's why we have synods and councils. You have no synods or councils.
Why don't you write an open letter to the Pope right here on this board listing the changes the Church must make, according to your relativistic liberalism. If you can't do that, stop crying over issues you know nothing about.
All those wishing to write to the Pope, may send their letters to the following address:

Write the Pope? Probably not a bad idea. But I am not a liberal by any means.

 

[Jim B]

This too they do with the flag of the all inclusive rainbow . For they too holler freedom , YET ITS BONDAGE
and the end thereof is death .

John 3:16, “For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have eternal life." God includes all believers, the very same people that you condemn.

 

[Illuminator]

Here is a list of developments the Church has made in the last 100 years, (with one exception) that Grailhunter pretends aren't there.

• Divini Redemptoris (On Atheistic Communism)
  Pope Pius XI, March 19, 1937
• Mortalium Animos (On Religious Unity)
  Pope Pius XI, January 6, 1928
• Rite Expiatis (On St. Francis of Assisi)
  Pope Pius XI, April 13, 1926
• Octobri Mense (On the Rosary)
  Pope Leo XIII, September 22, 1891
• Humanae Vitae (On the Regulation of Human Births)
  Pope Paul VI, July 25, 1968
• Sicut Dudum (Against the Enslaving of Black Natives from the Canary Islands)
  Pope Eugene IV, January 13, 1435
• Casti Connubii (On Christian Marriage)
  Pope Pius XI, December 31, 1930