Eternally Grateful
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Good one?Hah! Good one!
do you have proof that people use that defenition? or is it a good one that I am correct in what I said?
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Good one?Hah! Good one!
Yeah, there was a fellow in here yesterday talking about that.It was not their articulation of doctrine that caused them to be my spiritual progenitors. It was the way they lived their life.
I couldn't link to Epi's post from my in-box to be able to quote it and couldn't find it on the thread when I went looking for it, so that is why I ended up copying/pasting it. I guess you were thinking that his post that I put in brackets marks were my comments..?I was responding to this…
Use the quote feature. Your post got mixed up with his…
And that is the rub isn't it. To you or myself you may not think they or a person is/ are serious. Many are really serious about word of the Spirit here and yes, you or I may think not. It does not negate us from budding the fruits of the Spirit as God desires from us if we are given more...we are expected to show more in return.
Blessing again to you if you took all this in sincerity and kindness of love that God can only give to us as a brother in Christ, for you. And the same advise is given to me of course.
I choose to not take seriously when I see blasphemy because I realize the level of ignorance in these modern times to the ways of God. As in...forgive them Father, they know not what they do. But since it's my thread...I'm going to stay here and expect the true mockers of God to go elsewhere. Let them start their own threads. If they stay I will play games with them...to hopefully chase them away...or...if they would stop taking themselves so seriously for a moment...start a deeper conversation.Laughing can be of two basic types, ridiculing the person is some way and of their sincere exchange of giving their heart to you, or the joy and experience of sharing with them and loving them. You can choose which way to go, as I also.
Epi, I don't know if you realize how you are commnicating. The qualifier 'just by reckoning' is not something I recall anyone ever claiming.What it doesn't mean is that the person is ever free from sin just by reckoning
Good reply!I've found at the conscious level, I sin not because I stopped trusting Jesus, but I failed to take every thought captive to Christ.
When things inevitably go sideways, I am disappointed in myself and ask, "Why didn't I pray on this before I acted?"
Amen !any belief that points to man or us and not to CHRIST , i would call wrong beliefs and fleshly understanding .
But that which points too and honors the SON , HONORS GOD who sent HIM .
Now hit the trenches . its all out war for the souls of men and we got those who point to men and not to CHRIST .
and those will not be heeded by the lambs .
Yes. But only by abiding in Christ. In Him is no sin. There is a mystery here that unless you have experienced resurrection life...still the greatest secret in the world... you will never believe it.Epi, I don't know if you realize how you are commnicating. The qualifier 'just by reckoning' is not something I recall anyone ever claiming.
So, I don't know if you are invoking a Strawman, perhaps unconsciously, or if there is a genuine communication problem here. I saw your French exchange with @APAK. So, I'll ask a foundational question in all sincerity, simplifying your statement above. Can a person EVER be free from sin?
Problematic, but I go with what stands written and concur to the Scripture references.Being bapitized into Christ means one is baptized into His death. Which means one is co-crucified with Him, which results in our death, and makes us dead to sin, and freed from sin. Romans 6:7 literally says, the one who is dead is justified away from sin.
We are to reckon it so. The faithless walk is to disbelieve this passage, and continue to struggle against sin. Believing this is true, and trusting in Jesus' death and resurrection to have reconciled us to God, that is the faith in which we stand. In trusting Jesus, that this very thing is true, that God has freed us from sin, making us dead to sin, that's just the first part. The second part is even more glorious!
We are now alive unto God. Living in that truth, not sinning is just the beginning.
With that being said, not even Paul himself considered himself to be the fit judge of himself, and deferred that judgment - sinless/not sinless - to Jesus.
If we are baptised into Jesus Christ, and we receive in faith the truth of these words, we find that sin is in fact powerless over us. Just like the Bible says.
It's up to each of us whether we will receive or reject His Word.
Much love!
Why do I believe it then? I’ve never walked in the Spirit but I looked carefully and have seen in scripture that it’s true.Yes. But only by abiding in Christ. In Him is no sin. There is a mystery here that unless you have experienced resurrection life...still the greatest secret in the world... you will never believe it.
Do you have a local church that you regularly fellowship at ?Yes. But only by abiding in Christ. In Him is no sin. There is a mystery here that unless you have experienced resurrection life...still the greatest secret in the world... you will never believe it.
I think unbelievers understand this better because they haven't learned to limit God by becoming religious and reciting dogma.
I walked with God BEFORE going to a church institution...so I wasn't indoctrinated into limiting God.
I'm very thankful for that. But I never fit in with the religiously converted people.
Everyone should believe itWhy do I believe it then? I’ve never walked in the Spirit but I looked carefully and have seen in scripture that it’s true.
I like that word symmorphizo there. If, I'm not mistaken it seems to leave room for both what has been accomplished in us as well as what is happening along the way.Yes, I see the same thing here.
In this place,
1 Corinthians 4:3-5 KJV
3) But with me it is a very small thing that I should be judged of you, or of man's judgment: yea, I judge not mine own self.
4) For I know nothing by myself; yet am I not hereby justified: but he that judgeth me is the Lord.
5) Therefore judge nothing before the time, until the Lord come, who both will bring to light the hidden things of darkness, and will make manifest the counsels of the hearts: and then shall every man have praise of God.
Paul is saying that though his conscience is clear, that doesn't mean he's right about that, because Jesus, not himself, is the true judge. Paul, and ourselves, are not qualified judges, therefore we speak from ignorance if we say we've stopped sinning.
For someone to say, "I'm in a state of sinlessness", they are elevating themself above what Paul dared say, and taking on the place of Jesus Himself.
"Being made conformable to His death", summorphoumenos, "being made to share the form of His death".
Philippians 3:9-10 KJV
9) And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:
10) That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death;
We seek His righteousness, not our own, but the righteousness God gives us by faith. For the reason that we may know Him, and the power of His resurrection, and the fellowship of His sufferings, as we are being made to share the form of His death.
Seeking your own righteousness is contrary to the end of knowing Him, the power of His resurrection, fellowship of His sufferings, and does cause us to share the form of His death.
Much love!
Why do I believe it then? I’ve never walked in the Spirit but I looked carefully and have seen in scripture that it’s true.
Belonging to Christ is VERY hard. It means being gutted of yourself...crucified...stuck to a wall/ Only the SELFLESS can remain there. It's SO hard. But I managed to last for a time because I had already experienced the loss of that level of intimacy. And that was worse! To lose it after knowing it is the most painful thing.I read if we abide in Him we do not sin and my thought was, I still sin, therefore I cannot be abiding in Him.
Ability? Or access?Everyone should believe it
when we walk int he spirit, we do not fulfill the lusts of the flesh. all of Gods people have this ability.
Where we run into trouble is thinking it is something it is not. Or thinking we can do it 24/7.
I oversee a house church...have for decades now.Do you have a local church that you regularly fellowship at ?
Generally speaking, we need to be trained to walk in the consistency of faith.Problematic, but I go with what stands written and concur to the Scripture references.
The keeping power of God is powerful. You only fall out of the Spirit when you sin a sin unto death. OR..as in the case...you want out so badly because you are stuck in Zion and your selfish nature can't handle it.Ability? Or access?
I at least know it’s possible 24/7 for some amount of years.
I agree with that. It’s a race of trust. Fall down, get up and begin racing again. Trust, trust, and trust more. We are running to grab what we have been grabbed FOR.we need to be trained to walk in the consistency of faith.
Does the buck stop with you or do you have a leadership team , elders who there is accountability?I oversee a house church...have for decades now.