No More Death

[Spiritual Israelite]

All of the days Abraham sojourned in the land of the Philistines were many. Even though many can be translated multitude of days, abundant days, plenteous days, etc. the Hebrew word rab, is not translated as 'all'.

You are continuing to miss my point. I am NOT saying that it should be translated as "all". What I'm saying is that it is referring to all of the days that Abraham sojourned in the land of the Philistines rather than just some of the days he sojourned there. So, in that case "many" does not mean "not all" because it is indeed referring to all of the days that he sojourned in the land of the Philistines which in total were a large number of days (many days).

So, I'm just going to move on from this. I don't know what I can do to get you to see my point besides what I've already said. I'm fully convinced that Daniel 12:2 and John 5:28-29 are the same event. We can just agree to disagree on that.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

It is sad watching you run in circles around selective scripture.

Better to grow in the Lord and His Truth to avoid being stunted.

Here you are doing it again. You just respond with statements like this without actually addressing the points that someone has made. Why do you do this? If he is so wrong, then why don't you show how that is the case using scripture? Do you think your opinions alone are going to convince anyone of anything?

 

[Truth7t7]

I'm fully convinced that Daniel 12:2 and John 5:28-29 are the same event.

Yes I Agree, they are both the same exact event, and the word "Many" in Daniel 12:2 doesn't contradict "All" in John 5:28-29, as "Many" could be "All"

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Why do you keep going in circles?

Are you able to acknowledge from Scripture the following:
the First Resurrection of "the dead in Christ" = dead bodies in the earth/ 1 Thess ch4 , 1 Cor ch15 ,Rev 20:4-6

What scripture teaches is that Jesus Christ's resurrection itself was the first resurrection. Why are you not taking that into account?

1 Corinthians 15:20 But Christ has indeed been raised from the dead, the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep. 21 For since death came through a man, the resurrection of the dead comes also through a man. 22 For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive. 23 But each in turn: Christ, the firstfruits; then, when he comes, those who belong to him.

Acts 26:23 That Christ should suffer, and that he should be the first that should rise from the dead, and should shew light unto the people, and to the Gentiles.

His bodily resurrection was the first resurrection unto bodily immortality. Making any other resurrection (or group of resurrections) the first resurrection contradicts scriptures like these. Does that matter to you?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Yes I Agree, they are both the same exact event, and the word "Many" in Daniel 12:2 doesn't contradict "All" in John 5:28-29, as "Many" could be "All"

Right. I gave him examples of that from the Old Testament and he wasn't getting it. I also gave the example where Jesus said "many are called, but few are chosen" (Matt 22:14). He wasn't saying that not all people are called. He was just saying that the number of people who are called, which is all people, are "many" or "a multitude".

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Good Afternoon 7t7,

My post Post 328, i was only referring to His Second Coming up to chapter 20 verses 1-6

It is clear from Rev ch20 that a NEW Time Period BEGINS with the Second Coming of Christ.

How exactly is that clear? It's only clear if you assume that what is described in Revelation 20 follows what is described in Revelation 19 chronologically. But, not everything in the book is chronological. The most obvious example of this is Revelation 11 and 12. The end of Revelation 11 talks about the seventh trumpet sounding and the judgment of the dead and rewards for the saints occurring at that point. Then in Revelation 12 it refers to Christ's birth and ascension (verse 5). So, those are clearly not meant to be interpreted chronologically. Same thing is true for Revelation 19 and 20.

 

[David in NJ]

What scripture teaches is that Jesus Christ's resurrection itself was the first resurrection. Why are you not taking that into account?

1 Corinthians 15:20 But Christ has indeed been raised from the dead, the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep. 21 For since death came through a man, the resurrection of the dead comes also through a man. 22 For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive. 23 But each in turn: Christ, the firstfruits; then, when he comes, those who belong to him.

Acts 26:23 That Christ should suffer, and that he should be the first that should rise from the dead, and should shew light unto the people, and to the Gentiles.

His bodily resurrection was the first resurrection unto bodily immortality. Making any other resurrection (or group of resurrections) the first resurrection contradicts scriptures like these. Does that matter to you?

@Truth7t7 @rwb and everyone else

PLEASE keep this for you records so that the 'running in circles' can cease and we can move Forward.

a.) JESUS is "IAM the Resurrection" - John ch11

b.) JESUS is the First Resurrection unto GLORIFICATION and therefore HE is the Firstfruits as well - 1 Cor ch15

c.) JESUS brings with HIM the spirits of the Saints for their Part in the First Resurrection of the Dead in Christ - 1 Thess ch4 = Rev 20:4-6
= 1 John ch3 , 1 Cor ch15 , Daniel 12:1-3 , Hebrews 9:28 , 2 Thess ch1 ch2 , Matt ch24

d.) JESUS is the "FIRST and the LAST" - Rev ch1

e.) Antichrist is revealed before the Second Coming of Christ - Dan ch7 , 1 John ch2 , 2 Thess ch2 , Rev ch12,ch13,ch14

f.) JESUS will DESCEND from Heaven at His Coming to first Resurrect the dead in Him - 1 Thess 1:10 , 1 Thess ch4 and Acts ch1

g.) JESUS will stand on the Mt. of Olives at His Second Coming - Zechariah ch14

h.) JESUS is King of kings and LORD of Lords - Rev ch19

i.) There is One Body of Christ made up of Saved Jews and Gentiles - Ephesians , Galatians , Gospel John , Acts , Romans

j.) There will be a literal 1,000 years of Rule with Christ = Revelation ch2 & ch20 , Genesis

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

@Truth7t7 @rwb and everyone else

PLEASE keep this for you records so that the 'running in circles' can cease and we can move Forward.

a.) JESUS is "IAM the Resurrection" - John ch11

b.) JESUS is the First Resurrection unto GLORIFICATION and therefore HE is the Firstfruits as well - 1 Cor ch15

c.) JESUS brings with HIM the spirits of the Saints for their Part in the First Resurrection of the Dead in Christ - 1 Thess ch4 = Rev 20:4-6
= 1 John ch3 , 1 Cor ch15 , Daniel 12:1-3 , Hebrews 9:28 , 2 Thess ch1 ch2 , Matt ch24

d.) JESUS is the "FIRST and the LAST" - Rev ch1

e.) Antichrist is revealed before the Second Coming of Christ - Dan ch7 , 1 John ch2 , 2 Thess ch2 , Rev ch12,ch13,ch14

f.) JESUS will DESCEND from Heaven at His Coming to first Resurrected the dead in Him - 1 Thess ch4 and Acts ch1

g.) JESUS will stand on the Mt. of Olives at His Second Coming Zechariah ch14

h.) JESUS is King of kings and LORD of Lords - Rev ch19

i.) There is One Body of Christ made up of Saved Jews and Gentiles - Ephesians , Galatians , Gospel John , Acts

j.) There will be a literal 1,000 years of Rule with Christ = Revelation ch2 & ch20 , Genesis

Why would we want to keep this for our records when we disagree with you on some of these things?

 

[David in NJ]

Why would we want to keep this for our records when we disagree with you on some of these things?

Because you keep asking the same questions which this post answers with Scripture references.

Peace

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Because you keep asking the same questions which this post answers with Scripture references.

Peace

You are not obligated to respond if someone asks you a question you've already answered. You can just ignore that.

 

[David in NJ]

the best thing to do is what God desires for eveyone = Proverbs 30:5-6 and Matthew 4:4

 

[ewq1938]

Jesus returns in fire and final judgement (The End) no Millennial Kingdom on this earth will follow as claimed

Nothing in your post is biblical which is why he doesn't even try to prove it.

 

[ewq1938]

Once Again:

Dave does Jesus Christ return in fire, destruction, and vengeance, as seen below?

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

7t7 knows this scripture is speaking of a historical event that was a localized killing, not global but he misrepresents it as if it is global.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

7t7 knows this scripture is speaking of a historical event that was a localized killing, not global but he misrepresents it as if it is global.

But Jesus compared it to His future second coming which we all agree is a global event (except preterists, I guess). What was the comparison He was making between the two events? That both involve fire coming down from heaven to destroy unbelievers.

Jesus compared the scope of His second coming event (global) to the flood of Noah's day in Matthew 24:35-39 and He compared the nature of that future event (fiery destruction) to what happened in Sodom and Gomorrah. And that lines up with what Peter taught in 2 Peter 3:3-13.

 

[Earburner]

The new heaven and new earth, as I understand it, will still be like that which God created in the beginning when He created the heaven and earth. A physical globe, created for physical life that He also created to inhabit the earth. Why would God resurrect the faithful from the graves to physical immortality and incorruptible flesh to inherit the new earth, if we are already the new earth?

Born again Christians are in a two stage process of being an entirely New created creature of God.
1. Adam- an air breathing OLD creature, having only mortality.

2. Jesus- a quickening spirit, made to be flesh but, then bodily resurrected, having both eternal life and immortality.

3a. B/A saints- an air breathing NEW creature, having only His quickening spirit of eternal life within us, but waitng to be bodily resurrected into Immortality after His likeness.

3b. Resurrected saints- Bodily Resurrected saints, having both His quickening Spirit of eternal life and immortality, after His likeness.

Since there will be "no more death", there will be no more births. So, what shall we conclude about all other life, being that of the animal & plant kingdoms?
Since eternal life is not offered to them, as a result, they cannot live forever. Will they have natural life and then die?
What about "no more death"?

 

[ewq1938]

Since there will be "no more death", there will be no more births. So, what shall we conclude about all other life, being that of the animal & plant kingdoms?
Since eternal life is not offered to them, as a result, they cannot live forever. Will they have natural life and then die?
What about "no more death"?

Not sure if biblical death can be applied to plants. I don't see any evidence of animals (helpmeets) in the eternity.


Rev 21:3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
Rev 21:4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

I believe no more death in proper context is limited to what people will not experience any more, along with pain, crying and sorrow.

Similar language (and timeframe) here:

Rev 7:16 They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat.
Rev 7:17 For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes.

 

[Patrick1966]

For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them

Will we still be able to eat McDonald's?

 

[rwb]

Right. I gave him examples of that from the Old Testament and he wasn't getting it. I also gave the example where Jesus said "many are called, but few are chosen" (Matt 22:14). He wasn't saying that not all people are called. He was just saying that the number of people who are called, which is all people, are "many" or "a multitude".

The Gospel message about Christ is freely offered to all of humanity without exception. People from all nations, and kindreds, and tongues are able to hear the message of Christ; the Gospel. Those He did predestinate, them He also called, and He also justified, and glorified. Hearing the Gospel of salvation is not proof of being called by God. The hearing must be accompanied by saving faith that is the gift of God.

Romans 8:30 (KJV) Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

Who among all of mankind can be saved according to grace through faith? Whosoever among mankind who hears the Gospel and believes in Christ shall be saved.

Matthew 22:14 (KJV) For many are called, but few are chosen.

Many in this verse are whosoever or the whole number of those who shall be saved. In which shall be an innumerable multitude. In the same way the sojourn of Abraham in the land of the Philistines were many days, for they were not few, neither will the many who are called be any less than a great multitude, which no man could number.

 

[rwb]

Because you keep asking the same questions which this post answers with Scripture references.

Peace

Yes, you want us to keep in mind what you say, and answer your questions! But you ignore every proof text we give you. I've decided you are deliberately being dishonest in your replies, and not really interested in truth.

 

[rwb]

Nothing in your post is biblical which is why he doesn't even try to prove it.

You can't biblically prove what you allege! When you try you make a mockery of Scripture and force contradiction upon contradiction into the Word of God.