No More Death

[Earburner]

Will we still be able to eat McDonald's?

If you are looking for a beefy hamburger, you'll be out of luck! "No more death",.......nix on the Fillet-o-Fish also,....no more sea.

Hmmm.....it looks like nothing of this old earth is going to be in the new earth.
Maybe because, ....we ourselves ARE the new earth, whereIN dwelleth righteousness.

That is something worthy to think about, because the NT scriptures do spiritually support that idea. 1 Cor. 2:13

 

[rwb]

Born again Christians are in a two stage process of being an entirely New created creature of God.
1. Adam- an air breathing OLD creature, having only mortality.

2. Jesus- a quickening spirit, made to be flesh but, then bodily resurrected, having both eternal life and immortality.

3a. B/A saints- an air breathing NEW creature, having only His quickening spirit of eternal life within us, but waitng to be bodily resurrected into Immortality after His likeness.

3b. Resurrected saints- Bodily Resurrected saints, having both His quickening Spirit of eternal life and immortality, after His likeness.

Since there will be "no more death", there will be no more births. So, what shall we conclude about all other life, being that of the animal & plant kingdoms?
Since eternal life is not offered to them, as a result, they cannot live forever. Will they have natural life and then die?
What about "no more death"?

I don't find much disagreement with anything you said, but you haven't really answered my question.

 

[ewq1938]

we ourselves ARE the new earth

That isn't biblical. We are not the new Earth but we will inherit it.

Psa_37:9 For evildoers shall be cut off: but those that wait upon the LORD, they shall inherit the earth.

Mat_5:5 Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.

 

[Patrick1966]

Psa_37:9 For evildoers shall be cut off: but those that wait upon the LORD, they shall inherit the earth.

Until the end of the ages, right?

 

[ewq1938]

Until the end of the ages, right?

No. They inherit the new Earth for eternity.

 

[Patrick1966]

No. They inherit the new Earth for eternity.

My understanding is the Jesus will resurrect Christians and they will rule on this earth with him in the age to come.

At the end of that age, Jesus will resurrect everybody else and then all will live in God's kingdom in the NEW earth.

 

[ewq1938]

My understanding is the Jesus will resurrect Christians and they will rule on this earth with him in the age to come.

At the end of that age, Jesus will resurrect everybody else and then all will live in God's kingdom in the NEW earth.

That's not correct. The dead in Christ will be resurrected and will rule the unsaved mortals during the Millennial age and after that the unsaved dead will rise from the dead but they are judged and sent to the LOF (resurrection of damnation), not to live in God's kingdom with the saved ones. Only saved Christians (and saved OT saints) will live on the new Earth.


Joh_5:29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

 

[Patrick1966]

That's not correct. The dead in Christ will be resurrected and will rule the unsaved mortals during the Millennial age and after that the unsaved dead will rise from the dead but they are judged and sent to the LOF (resurrection of damnation), not to live in God's kingdom with the saved ones. Only saved Christians (and saved OT saints) will live on the new Earth.


Joh_5:29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

Do you believe that the unsaved are immediately sent to Hell in this age or are they simply dead in the grave awaiting resurrection? I know there is a verse that says we're appointed to die once and then the judgment.

 

[David in NJ]

Yes, you want us to keep in mind what you say, and answer your questions! But you ignore every proof text we give you. I've decided you are deliberately being dishonest in your replies, and not really interested in truth.

Making false accusations are contrary to fellowship in Christ and Truth.

 

[Earburner]

My understanding is the Jesus will resurrect Christians and they will rule on this earth with him in the age to come.

At the end of that age, Jesus will resurrect everybody else and then all will live in God's kingdom in the NEW earth.

I strongly doubt that unbelievers will be involved with the NEW earth. It isn't going to happen. In fact, all of God's love, longsuffering and sacrifice for us, has nothing to do with this earth, or another earth like it.

We shall inherit Everlasting life and immortality in our earthen bodies, being ourselves that land of promise, in which we each, with God the Father, who dwells in the Son, do now both dwell in each of us as One, wherein dwelleth righteousness.
You can't beat that!

After all, Jesus didn't come here to die for this earth, but rather for we who are made from the earth, of which He also personally experienced as mortal flesh, and then resurrected into New life, with immortality.

Through faith in Him, that is HOW we are to "follow" Him, that we may know the power of His resurrection, by being born again of His Holy Spirit, partaking in His divine nature.

All of such are now waiting for the fulness of our resurrection, after His likeness, in the day He returns in all His Glory, in flaming fire.
Try to let this sink in: whosoever hath not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of His. Rom. 8:9.

 

[ewq1938]

Do you believe that the unsaved are immediately sent to Hell in this age or are they simply dead in the grave awaiting resurrection? I know there is a verse that says we're appointed to die once and then the judgment.

Yes but it doesn't say die then immediately judgment. The unsaved go to hades to wait for their resurrection at the GWT. Rev 20 describes them coming from dark, bad places like the sea, hell and death. I believe that is where their mortal bodies were as they return back to those resurrected bodies.

 

[Patrick1966]

I strongly doubt that unbelievers will be involved with the NEW earth. It isn't going to happen.

I loved the rest of your post.

Do you know any unbelievers? Will you be able to fully enjoy paradise knowing that they're suffering horrific and eternal pain and anguish?

 

[Earburner]

I loved the rest of your post.

Do you know any unbelievers? Will you be able to fully enjoy paradise knowing that they're suffering horrific and eternal pain and anguish?

Thanks.
Unbelievers shall suffer the eternal punishMENT of eternal death, not remaining alive, suffering eternal punishING

 

[Truth7t7]

7t7 knows this scripture is speaking of a historical event that was a localized killing, not global but he misrepresents it as if it is global.

When was Jesus historically "Revealed" in fire as seen below as you claim?

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

2 Thessalonians 1:7-9KJV
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

 

[Truth7t7]

Thanks.
Unbelievers shall suffer the eternal punishMENT of eternal death, not remaining alive, suffering eternal punishING

The wicked will suffer eternal conscious torment in the lake of fire as scripture clearly teaches

 

[Truth7t7]

Yes, you want us to keep in mind what you say, and answer your questions! But you ignore every proof text we give you. I've decided you are deliberately being dishonest in your replies, and not really interested in truth.

He won't answer direct questions when asked, running in complete diversion, a standard with the poster

 

[Truth7t7]

It is sad watching you run in circles around selective scripture.

Better to grow in the Lord and His Truth to avoid being stunted.

Once Again:

Dave does Jesus Christ return in fire, destruction, and vengeance, as seen below?

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

2 Thessalonians 1:7-9KJV
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

 

[David in NJ]

Once Again:

Dave does Jesus Christ return in fire, destruction, and vengeance, as seen below?

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

2 Thessalonians 1:7-9KJV
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

All this is clear evidence of God’s righteous judgment. And so you will be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which you are suffering. After all, it is only right for God to repay with affliction those who afflict you, and to grant relief to you who are oppressed and to us as well. This will take place when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with His mighty angels in blazing fire, inflicting vengeance on those who do not know God and do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus. They will suffer the penalty of eternal destruction, separated from the presence of the Lord and the glory of His might, on the day He comes to be glorified in His saints and regarded with wonder by all who have believed, including you who have believed our testimony.

To this end, we always pray for you, that our God will count you worthy of His calling, and that He will powerfully fulfill your every good desire and work of faith, so that the name of our Lord Jesus will be glorified in you, and you in Him, according to the grace of our God and of the Lord Jesus Christ.

Then all the survivors from the nations that came against Jerusalem will go up year after year to worship the King, the LORD of Hosts, and to celebrate the Feast of Tabernacles.

For judgment is without mercy to the one who has shown no mercy. Mercy triumphs over judgment

 

[Truth7t7]

His bodily resurrection was the first resurrection unto bodily immortality. Making any other resurrection (or group of resurrections) the first resurrection contradicts scriptures like these. Does that matter to you?

"False"

There are two future resurrection that will take place on "The Last Day", the righteous will be "First" out of the future two resurrection that will take place

(First Resurrection) seen in Revelation 20:4-6 pertains to (The Dead In Christ Shall Rise First)

Reformed Eschatology tries desperately to interpret this as Jesus Christ being the (First Resurrection) "False" as those seen in Revelation 20:4-6 are (The Souls) who are (The Dead In Christ)

Revelation 20:4-6KJV
And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

1 Thessalonians 4:16KJV
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

 

[Truth7t7]

All this is clear evidence of God’s righteous judgment. And so you will be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which you are suffering. After all, it is only right for God to repay with affliction those who afflict you, and to grant relief to you who are oppressed and to us as well. This will take place when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with His mighty angels in blazing fire, inflicting vengeance on those who do not know God and do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus. They will suffer the penalty of eternal destruction, separated from the presence of the Lord and the glory of His might, on the day He comes to be glorified in His saints and regarded with wonder by all who have believed, including you who have believed our testimony.

To this end, we always pray for you, that our God will count you worthy of His calling, and that He will powerfully fulfill your every good desire and work of faith, so that the name of our Lord Jesus will be glorified in you, and you in Him, according to the grace of our God and of the Lord Jesus Christ.

Then all the survivors from the nations that came against Jerusalem will go up year after year to worship the King, the LORD of Hosts, and to celebrate the Feast of Tabernacles.

For judgment is without mercy to the one who has shown no mercy. Mercy triumphs over judgment

Yes Jesus returns in fire, vengeance, and destruction (The End)

You then allude to those who are left in Zechariah 14:16 as if mortal human bodies are present, in your claim of a millennial kingdom on this earth "False"

Zechariah 14:16 Who Will Be Left Of The Nations?​

You will closely note, Zechariah 14:16 & Isaiah 4:3-4 are "Parallel" readings of the same event, as Isaiah gives a clear account of those who are left, those who are found in the book of life, the final judgement has passed, eternity has begun "After" The Day Of The Lord

You will closely note in Isaiah 4:4 below, Jerusalem will be purged by the spirit of (Judgement) & (Burning)

Zechariah 14:12KJV
12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

Only The Righteous Are Left, The Book Of Life "Was" Opened (Every One That Is Written Among The Living)

Zechariah 14:16KJV
16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.

Isaiah 4:3-4KJV
3 And it shall come to pass, that he that is left in Zion, and he that remaineth in Jerusalem, shall be called holy, even every one that is written among the living in Jerusalem:
4 When the Lord shall have washed away the filth of the daughters of Zion, and shall have purged the blood of Jerusalem from the midst thereof by the spirit of judgment, and by the spirit of burning.

Revelation 21:24-27KJV
24 And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it.
25 And the gates of it shall not be shut at all by day: for there shall be no night there.
26 And they shall bring the glory and honour of the nations into it.
27 And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.