How are we to reckon ourselves as being dead to sin?

[Eternally Grateful]

That is the point I was trying to make though. I went to a bible study at a coffee house a few times. They kept saying how it is a free gift that cost nothing. In my head …I didn’t say anything to them…but I was thinking is it true it doesn’t cost anything? Can I keep my pride? Because if I can’t keep my pride, then there is a cost.

well if you look at it that way.

But it is a gift. Again, if it cost something, it is a wage.

a good way to look at it, is your pride is costing you from receiving the gift.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Bible means "book." The problem is to elevate a book to the status of God. The Bible POINTS to God...but is not God itself. Like a sign that says "Montreal" on the way to Montreal...and then saying...it IS Montreal...not just a sign.

This shows a lack of any real connection to what the Bible is pointing to.

Did Jesus walk around with a scroll? Did the apostles? God is Spirit and He is looking for worshippers who will worship Him in Spirit and truth. Guess where that is written.

2 Timothy 3:16-17,

All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, 17 that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work.

Scripture is the word of God.

And it is fully capable of making the man of God complete.

1 Corinthians 15:3

For I delivered to you first of all that which I also received: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures,

Galatians 3:8

And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel to Abraham beforehand, saying, “In you all the nations shall be blessed.”

Galatians 3:22
But the Scripture has confined all under sin, that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe.

You taking away from scripture is wrong my friend..

 

[ChristisGod]

2 Timothy 3:16-17,

All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, 17 that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work.

Scripture is the word of God.

And it is fully capable of making the man of God complete.

1 Corinthians 15:3

For I delivered to you first of all that which I also received: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures,

Galatians 3:8

And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel to Abraham beforehand, saying, “In you all the nations shall be blessed.”

Galatians 3:22
But the Scripture has confined all under sin, that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe.

You taking away from scripture is wrong my friend..

By his own testimony we see the rejection of Gods word and its absolute authority as truth. His experience takes priority and precedence over scripture . A true sign of a false teacher adding to and taking away from the Bible. Whoever listens to this self proclaimed prophet is being deceived right along with him. I could care less how much he packages it under the guise of spiritual talk, words and emotional experiences. Truth is objective not subjective to man and his whims. Let God be true and every man a liar. And Jesus said Sanctify them in truth Thy word is truth. His word ( scripture) is eternal and not one jot or tittle will pass away.

 

[Johann]

Bible means "book." The problem is to elevate a book to the status of God. The Bible POINTS to God...but is not God itself. Like a sign that says "Montreal" on the way to Montreal...and then saying...it IS Montreal...not just a sign.

This shows a lack of any real connection to what the Bible is pointing to.

Guess we all need to have an "experience" like you did, and toss the Scriptures aside---I simply can't believe you are still here.

 

[Lizbeth]

Bible means "book." The problem is to elevate a book to the status of God. The Bible POINTS to God...but is not God itself. Like a sign that says "Montreal" on the way to Montreal...and then saying...it IS Montreal...not just a sign.

This shows a lack of any real connection to what the Bible is pointing to.

Did Jesus walk around with a scroll? Did the apostles? God is Spirit and He is looking for worshippers who will worship Him in Spirit and truth. Guess where that is written.

We do serve the LIVING God. And His word becomes alive and active through His Spirit. So not entirely like a road sign, unless it is only approached that way by the one reading.

 

[Lizbeth]

Pride, As roman's 1 says

I think to John 3 where Jesus said as moses lifted the serpent. so must the son of man be lifted.

If we go back to the story (numbers 21) . God brought the children of Israel to a spot where they had to pass through a bunch of serpents. and they would get bitten and die. God told Moses to take a serpent. and lift it up. He said anyone who looks will live, anyone who does not will die



Imagine those who in unbelief continued in pride to reject the fact that they were dead and they could not save themselves..

this is what I think. People do not realize they are already dead. and they can save themselves. so instead of looking to the cross. where they can be saved completely and given life. they instead continue to either deny they are dead. or try to save themselves, as sadly the jews and many who call themselves Christians do today.

Jesus said we must be born again. In order to be born again, we have to in pride look up to the true serpent (Jesus) on the cross. and trust him to save us.

otherwise, like those who refused in Moses day. they will die permanently

Amen, Jesus on the cross, who became sin for us. It shows what/who He defeated by going to the cross.....the serpent in the Garden of Eden.

 

[Lizbeth]

For those who LOVE HIM .
So now for a dire important question .
IF a man denies Christ , rejects the gospel , DOES that man truly LOVE GOD .
Lets see what JESUS told the jews who would not believe on him .
IF YE LOVED GOD YE WOULD HAVE LOVED ME FOR I CAME FORTH FROM GOD .
SO theres you answer .
NO they DONT .
I dont care if muslims , buddiest , hindu , atheists or whateverists can do good works
Some can even give their life for another .
Some can give much goods to the poor .
YET if we have not charity , NOT LOVE , it profits one nothing .
CHARITY REJOICES IN TRUTH . IN TRUTH . IN TRUTH . IN TRUTH .
JESUS IS THE TRUTH .
SO this other mindset which says good muslims , good buddists , good whateverists
who do good things know GOD ,
NO they DONT . For starters SHOW ME ONE PERSON who is GOOD ,.
EVEN JESUS , WHO IS GOOD , SAID THIS
WHY do you call me good , there is NONE GOOD BUT GOD . Now we know HE WAS AND IS GOOD
but for GOOD REASON HE SAID THIS . HE POINTED TO THE FATHER , TO GOD . THE ONLY ONE WHO IS GOOD .
This all inclusive delusion is a lie from hell mark , i am gonna expose it no matter the cost to me .
I will POINT TO CHRIST ONLY as the only means to attain RIGHTEOUSNESS, SALVATION , REDEMPTOIN ,
JUSTIFICATION . This ol lamb might seem old fashoined and religously dogmatic to many ,
BUT I AM STICKING TO CHRIST ALONE the one true gospel . PEROID . alll else is vain and leadeth only to the destruction
and perdition of ungodly men who rejected the love of the truth , THE GOSPEL . JESUS CHRIST is the only HOPE
only means whereby one may be saved , neither is their salvation in ANY OTHER . march on mark . ONWARDS in the LORD .

Romans 10 says - Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved....how then can they call on the one they have not believed in?

The bible also says it doesn't depend on us, but it depends on God who shows mercy to whoever HE wills....some could be called relatively law-abiding people, while others sinned grievously. Regardless of the situation a person cannot go to heaven except through Christ. Nobody can be admitted to heaven on their own merits. And if the Lord has foreknown anyone and they are ordained for salvation, He will make a way for them to know His Son in order that they be saved.

 

[amigo de christo]

Romans 10 says - Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved....how then can they call on the one they have not believed in?

The gospel of the glorious Lord shall be sounded out . Yes my dear sister , you just march onward in the LORD .

 

[ChristisGod]

Guess we all need to have an "experience" like you did, and toss the Scriptures aside---I simply can't believe you are still here.

What is even more concerning is that anyone would believe him since the Bible is not his authority and his experiences are his authority.

 

[Episkopos]

What is even more concerning is that anyone would believe him since the Bible is not his authority and his experiences are his authority.

My authority is the living God. Yours is found in a human religious appreciation for a book. You think salvation is based on the deadness of the written letters...whereas these point to a life of experience with God. If you had ANY faith at all you would realize that a relationship with the living God gives you the experience of what is testified by the writers in the New Testament.

Look what Paul said...

2 Cor. 3:6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter kills, but the spirit gives life.

The letter kills???? Paul, as an able minister of the Way that is on Christ, demonstrated life in the Spirit...not just a religious appreciation for the written word.

I know this is many miles over your head to even consider this. But the bible YOU SAY you venerate...which you don't.....is being used by you and others to negate the contents thereof.

Continue to fool yourself and the simple among us....but these things will be shortly brought to light.

 

[Episkopos]

Romans 10 says - Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved....how then can they call on the one they have not believed in?

Of course. Many looked to the brass serpent and were saved. But that's not the end of the story. How many of these entered into God's rest?

The Protestant obsession with being "saved" and always harping on the initial stage of "salvation" is very telling. To me, this shows that while there is a belief ABOUT God, there is no actual faith...a faith that moves into God. Instead people get stuck in a religious loop of...keep pointing to the cross....only Jesus saves...other religions can't save you..etc etc. And because everybody is still in diapers...all think this is a good thing and commendable. Always milk...no meat.

The bible also says it doesn't depend on us, but it depends on God who shows mercy to whoever HE wills....some could be called relatively law-abiding people, while others sinned grievously. Regardless of the situation a person cannot go to heaven except through Christ. Nobody can be admitted to heaven on their own merits.

Either you are happy to be still in a baby stage or hanging out in the nursery here has gotten you back to sucking your thumb. When you say...go to heaven...you are NOT speaking from any biblical understanding (definitely not a spiritual understanding). That is Sunday school jargon used on infants. Hey, if people want to play church and be babies for life...whatever.

And if the Lord has foreknown anyone and they are ordained for salvation, He will make a way for them to know His Son in order that they be saved.

More confusion of righteousness and holiness. Always a circular reasoning mantra.

Getting saved... being saved...need to be saved...etc... saved, saved, saved. Only a baby is happy hearing "saved" over and over again.

the irony here is that the babies that refuse to grow are actually burying their talent.

I marvel at the wisdom and justice of God. Judgment is coming. And people who have been warned again and again surely merit their fate.

 

[Episkopos]

Guess we all need to have an "experience" like you did, and toss the Scriptures aside---I simply can't believe you are still here.

You forgot faith. Reading the bible to prop up your religious expectations is not faith...it is merely a belief about something. That has no power to save you. Only an actual faith makes your life look like what you read about in the bible. Just reading a bible doesn't justify you. It's not hearers that are justified but doers who are justified.

So you can do your faux virtue signalling all day and for the rest of your life...but the one who is tossing the scriptures aside is you.

I believe God while I read the bible so that He comes to me. Why is that seen as wrong? Do you not have the spirit of Cain?

You should consider your own ways.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

well if you look at it that way.

But it is a gift. Again, if it cost something, it is a wage.

a good way to look at it, is your pride is costing you from receiving the gift.

My pride is costing me from receiving the gift. If I understand correctly, it has been explained to me like this: you are still saved from the wages of sin regardless of your pride, but you just won't experience the fullness of the Spirit. You shared if there is a wage (something required), then it is not a gift. But the wage of sin is death. Is this a lie? Can I keep my pride and the Gift too? Can I have my cake and eat it too? Sounds like a Win win no brainer. Feel like going to church to tell them the good news. (I am being sarcastic to make a point).

 

[Episkopos]

My pride is costing me from receiving the gift. If I understand correctly, it has been explained to me like this: you are still saved from the wages of sin regardless of your pride, but you just won't experience the fullness of the Spirit. You shared if there is a wage (something required), then it is not a gift. But the wage of sin is death. Is this a lie? Can I keep my pride and the Gift too? Can I have my cake and eat it too? Sounds like a Win win no brainer. Feel like going to church to tell them the good news. (I am being sarcastic to make a point).

If you weren't being sarcastic, you could be a successful minister of the modern gospel...

 

[Johann]

You forgot faith. Reading the bible to prop up your religious expectations is not faith...it is merely a belief about something. That has no power to save you. Only an actual faith makes your life look like what you read about in the bible. Just reading a bible doesn't justify you. It's not hearers that are justified but doers who are justified.

So you can do your faux virtue signalling all day and for the rest of your life...but the one who is tossing the scriptures aside is you.

I believe God while I read the bible so that He comes to me. Why is that seen as wrong? Do you not have the spirit of Cain?

You should consider your own ways.

Please man, quote Scriptures--your philosophizing, as if you are God, WITHOUT Scripture is absolute nonsense--the members can see through your façade--

Oy to you, Sofrim and Perushim, tzevuim, for you are like kevarim having been whitewashed, which on the outside indeed appear ois vaist shein (beautiful), but on the inside are full of the unclean bones of the mesim and every trayfnyak.

Having an outward form of chasidus but the ko'ach having denied. Turn away from these.



1) "Having a form of godliness" (echontes morphosin eusebeias) “Having a form or pattern of piety;” They shall profess godliness, but live like demons, Tit_1:16; 1Ti_5:8.

2) "But denying the power thereof" (ten de dunamin autes ernemenoi) -"But the dynamics of it having denied," by their manner of moral, ethical, and doctrinal conduct, Mat_7:20-23; Mat_25:12; 1Jn_2:4.

3) "From such turn away." (kai toutos apotrepou) "From these (standards or forms of behavior) turn away," implying some of these characteristics were already in the church, 1Co_4:20-21.

a form: Isa_29:13, Isa_48:1-2, Isa_58:1-3; Eze_33:30-32; Mat_7:15, Mat_23:27-28; Rom_2:20-24; 1Ti_5:8; Tit_1:16
from: 2Ti_2:16, 2Ti_2:23; Rom_16:17-18; Eph_4:14; 2Th_3:6, 2Th_3:14; 1Ti_6:5; Tit_3:10; 2Jn_1:10-12

Time to man up and defend your unscriptural philosophies as members are asking penetrating, searching questions--and all you do is resort to ad hominem attacks--indicative there is a serious underlying issues, something you are hiding.

 

[Episkopos]

Please man, quote Scriptures--your philosophizing, as if you are God, WITHOUT Scripture is absolute nonsense--the members can see through your façade--

Oy to you, Sofrim and Perushim, tzevuim, for you are like kevarim having been whitewashed, which on the outside indeed appear ois vaist shein (beautiful), but on the inside are full of the unclean bones of the mesim and every trayfnyak.

Having an outward form of chasidus but the ko'ach having denied. Turn away from these.



1) "Having a form of godliness" (echontes morphosin eusebeias) “Having a form or pattern of piety;” They shall profess godliness, but live like demons, Tit_1:16; 1Ti_5:8.

2) "But denying the power thereof" (ten de dunamin autes ernemenoi) -"But the dynamics of it having denied," by their manner of moral, ethical, and doctrinal conduct, Mat_7:20-23; Mat_25:12; 1Jn_2:4.

3) "From such turn away." (kai toutos apotrepou) "From these (standards or forms of behavior) turn away," implying some of these characteristics were already in the church, 1Co_4:20-21.

a form: Isa_29:13, Isa_48:1-2, Isa_58:1-3; Eze_33:30-32; Mat_7:15, Mat_23:27-28; Rom_2:20-24; 1Ti_5:8; Tit_1:16
from: 2Ti_2:16, 2Ti_2:23; Rom_16:17-18; Eph_4:14; 2Th_3:6, 2Th_3:14; 1Ti_6:5; Tit_3:10; 2Jn_1:10-12

Time to man up and defend your unscriptural philosophies as members are asking penetrating, searching questions--and all you do is resort to ad hominem attacks--indicative there is a serious underlying issues, something you are hiding.

Quoting scriptures AT people is baseless. You justify yourself and condemn others with a misuse ...an abuse...of the bible.

What people here, such as yourself...is a clue to what the bible is actually saying. Stop with the religious rhetoric. Learn from what you are reading...apply the nasty sounding verses to yourself where they belong...and go to the cross.

 

[GTW27]

You forgot faith. Reading the bible to prop up your religious expectations is not faith...it is belief about something. That has no power to save you. Only an actual faith makes your life look like what you read about in the bible. Just reading a bible doesn't justify you. It's not hearers that are justified but doers who are justified.

So you can do your faux virtue signalling all day and for the rest of your life...but the one who is tossing the scriptures aside is you.

I believe God while I read the bible so that He comes to me. Why is that seen as wrong? Do you not have the spirit of Cain?

You should consider your own ways.

"Do you not have the spirit of Cain? And there you go again. The Accuser of the brethren. Putting a question mark at the end, does not change these words. Yesterday, you gave a testimony of your second experience. This was very telling to me. That voice coming through you was not that of The Lord. You talk about faith and how no one has it and yet when one is truly born again(from above) the gift of faith comes with The One that enters in. And that one is The Holy Spirit. And when He enters in, He does not leave, but finishes the work that He begins. In this thread that you started, are those that are truly born again(from above). They are my brothers and my sisters in Christ Jesus. All are in different stages of this amazing journey. Cain was a liar,a killer, and a thief. He was the first fruits of his father the devil. And you dare imply that a child of God has a spirit of Cain. Woe unto you. I once knew a man, that I watched(with the gift of discernment of spirits) as the enemy(a demon) entered in and out of him. This was possible, as he had not yet laid down his life at the foot of the cross. And when he went out in public he was seeing demons in other people. He was convinced of it. These were ordinary people. They had no demons, but it was he who had the demon that would enter in and out. The demon made him see the opposite of what was true.(upside down) And he thought he was a prophet as well. It is written that one will rise that will try to change time and seasons. You see, the devil likes to change times and seasons. He likes to take us back before these words "It is finished" Jesus said, "It is finished". Personally John, I would like to see you, sitting at table at the wedding feast. There are others here, I see that will be there. Blessings!

 

[Johann]

"Do you not have the spirit of Cain? And there you go again. The Accuser of the brethren. Putting a question mark at the end, does not change these words. Yesterday, you gave a testimony of your second experience. This was very telling to me. That voice coming through you was not that of The Lord. You talk about faith and how no one has it and yet when one is truly born again(from above) the gift of faith comes with The One that enters in. And that one is The Holy Spirit. And when He enters in, He does not leave, but finishes the work that He begins. In this thread that you started, are those that are truly born again(from above). They are my brothers and my sisters in Christ Jesus. All are in different stages of this amazing journey. Cain was a liar,a killer, and a thief. He was the first fruits of his father the devil. And you dare imply that a child of God has a spirit of Cain. Woe unto you. I once knew a man, that I watched(with the gift of discernment of spirits) as the enemy(a demon) entered in and out of him. This was possible, as he had not yet laid down his life at the foot of the cross. And when he went out in public he was seeing demons in other people. He was convinced of it. These were ordinary people. They had no demons, but it was he who had the demon that would enter in and out. The demon made him see the opposite of what was true.(upside down) And he thought he was a prophet as well. It is written that one will rise that will try to change time and seasons. You see, the devil likes to change times and seasons. He likes to take us back before these words "It is finished" Jesus said, "It is finished". Personally John, I would like to see you, sitting at table at the wedding feast. There are others here, I see that will be there. Blessings!

τετελεσται --Perfect Passive!
Nishlam!

I am deeply encouraged by this post @GTW27
Johann.

 

[Episkopos]

"Do you not have the spirit of Cain? And there you go again. The Accuser of the brethren. Putting a question mark at the end, does not change these words. Yesterday, you gave a testimony of your second experience. This was very telling to me. That voice coming through you was not that of The Lord.

In your religiously bent opinion. Of course you will deny anything that doesn't confirm you own religious direction. Because you are obviously ignorant of anything ALIVE concerning God, I hope you will not blaspheme the Spirit.

You talk about faith and how no one has it and yet when one is truly born again(from above) the gift of faith comes with The One that enters in.

Not everyone gets a gift of faith...just like not all prophesy. Read your bible. Stop pretending to be more than a beginner in these matters.

And that one is The Holy Spirit. And when He enters in, He does not leave, but finishes the work that He begins.

We have to go to Him to finish what He started IN us. Our completion is in Him. In Him is no sin. Not in us.

Learn something. Read the bible without the religious blinders on.

In this thread that you started, are those that are truly born again(from above).

Very few indeed...those who see the active work of the Spirit as wrong...have never known anything of the eternal reality one is born again into. There is a lot of American "born again" ideology...but God is NOT known of these.

They are my brothers and my sisters in Christ Jesus. All are in different stages of this amazing journey. Cain was a liar,a killer, and a thief.

Cain is also a brother. God didn't condemn him. He set His mark on him. There are as many Cains as Abels in the church. Those who come to God with repentance will be accepted by God.

Read the bible again. God says...will you not be accepted??? Learn something while you peruse these threads.

He was the first fruits of his father the devil.

That is false...and is called the "serpent-seed" heresy. Would God offer Cain to be accepted if he was only evil? Many here are like Cain. And like Korah. You have to ask yourself "Lord, is it I?"

Cain represents the outer man that wants what the inner man is being offered. If you understood that...well then you would also be delivered from your own Cain spirit. But will you???? Having accepted a free sacrifice....are you willing to offer yourself as a living sacrifice to be in turn accepted by God?

And you dare imply that a child of God has a spirit of Cain.

How dare you deny that Cain and Abel are not from the same father?

Woe unto you.

Sounds like you are posturing here.

I once knew a man, that I watched(with the gift of discernment of spirits) as the enemy(a demon) entered in and out of him. This was possible, as he had not yet laid down his life at the foot of the cross. And when he went out in public he was seeing demons in other people. He was convinced of it. These were ordinary people. They had no demons, but it was he who had the demon that would enter in and out. The demon made him see the opposite of what was true.(upside down) And he thought he was a prophet as well. It is written that one will rise that will try to change time and seasons. You see, the devil likes to change times and seasons. He likes to take us back before these words "It is finished" Jesus said, "It is finished". Personally John, I would like to see you, sitting at table at the wedding feast. There are others here, I see that will be there. Blessings!

My warning is to those who have so much religious certainty that they are ready to be rejected...like the sons of the kingdom were rejected before them.

All this religious posturing can only come from a Pharisaical self-justification. My council is for much more humility and godly fear. If you read the bible more carefully you would agree with the emphasis on fear and humility....rather than all this religious outrage.

 

[Episkopos]

τετελεσται --Perfect Passive!
Nishlam!

I am deeply encouraged by this post @GTW27
Johann.

LOL Of course...it props up your flesh!