23 major reasons to reject the Premil doctrine!

[Truth7t7]

Dan 9:24-27 was fulfilled with the advent of Christ coming to earth, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness.

I Disagree, the words "Even Until The Consummation" represents (the second coming, day of the Lord) as seen below

Many that follow reformed preterist eschatology ignore the words "Even Until The Consummation" this is a future event unfulfilled, it's that simple

Daniel's AOD is future, and the bad guy causing the Abomination and Desolation will be present on earth to the "Consummation" Ultimate End

"Future" Events Unfulfilled

This "Future" figure will be present on earth making (Abomination & Desolation) to the (Consummation) or (The Ultimate End) "Future" Event(s) Unfulfilled

(The Future Consummation)

2 Peter 3:10KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

Merriam-Webster
Definition of consummation

1: the act of consummating the consummation of a contract by mutual signature specifically : the consummating of a marriage
2: the ultimate end

Daniel's AOD (Even Until The Consummation) "Future"!

Daniel 9:27KJV
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

 

[rwb]

Your claim is false, (The Day Of The Lord) is (The Last Day) it comes as a thief in the night, in sudden destruction as a woman in child birth, as scripture shows below

You approach Joel as if it cancels this future singular day of the Lord, and you desperately in false attempts try to validate your private interpretation of Daniel's AOD and The Great Tribulation being 2,000+ years long "False"

God's word isn't contradictory concerning (The Day Of The Lord) nor does it support your doctrine of 2,000+ years and waiting

In Love, Jesus Is The Lord

1 Thessalonians 5:1-3KJV
1 But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you.
2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.
3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.

Since you have no understanding of the coming of Day of the Lord in time, and still await His coming as the prophets of Old foretell He would, you are no different than the unbelieving Orthodox Jews who still await the Day of the Lord coming the prophets of Old foretold would come.

 

[Truth7t7]

Since you have no understanding of the coming of Day of the Lord in time, and still await His coming as the prophets of Old foretell He would, you are no different than the unbelieving Orthodox Jews who still await the Day of the Lord coming the prophets of Old foretold would come.

One thing I know, (The Day Of The Lord) comes as a thief in the night, in fire and final judgement, (The End)

Your claim (The Day Of The Lord) started in the first century, and will cease at the second coming is "False" found no place in scripture

Your private interpretation on prolonging (The Day Of The Lord) is nothing more than a desperate attempt to falsely support your claims of Daniel's AOD and The Great Tribulation being 2,000 years long and waiting

Daniel's AOD and The Great Tribulation are future, and they will be seen "After" the future human man (The Man Of Sin/The Beast) is revealed to the world, proclaiming to be God Messiah returned

The day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night, not a thief of Millenniums as your private interpretation claims

In Love, Jesus Is The Lord

2 Peter 3:10-13KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

 

[covenantee]

Daniel 9:27KJV
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

Who is the "he" who confirmed His covenant and caused the sacrifice and oblation to cease at Calvary, and directed the desolation of Jerusalem in 70 AD?

Hint: Grammar tells you.

Scripture and history confirm.

 

[Truth7t7]

Who is the "he" who confirmed His covenant and caused the sacrifice and oblation to cease at Calvary, and directed the desolation of Jerusalem in 70 AD?

Hint: Grammar tells you.

Scripture and history confirm.

Jesus Christ isn't the "He" as you falsely claim, nor does Jesus make abomination and desolation as the bad guy seen below will do until the future consummation (The End)

Daniel 9:27KJV
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

 

[covenantee]

Jesus Christ isn't the "He" as you falsely claim, nor does Jesus make abomination and desolation as the bad guy seen below will do until the future consummation (The End)

Daniel 9:27KJV
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

Explain how grammar tells you that "he" is your imaginary "bad guy".

Or don't you think that grammar applies to Scripture?

 

[rwb]

One thing I know, (The Day Of The Lord) comes as a thief in the night, in fire and final judgement, (The End)

Your claim (The Day Of The Lord) started in the first century, and will cease at the second coming is "False" found no place in scripture

Your private interpretation on prolonging (The Day Of The Lord) is nothing more than a desperate attempt to falsely support your claims of Daniel's AOD and The Great Tribulation being 2,000 years long and waiting

Daniel's AOD and The Great Tribulation are future, and they will be seen "After" the future human man (The Man Of Sin/The Beast) is revealed to the world, proclaiming to be God Messiah returned

The day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night, not a thief of Millenniums as your private interpretation claims

In Love, Jesus Is The Lord

2 Peter 3:10-13KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

The second coming on the final Day shall come to those who are not expecting His coming as a thief in the night. But do you really believe the Day of the Lord the Old Covenant prophets foretell and patiently await was the final Day when all that is left alive on this earth shall be consumed utterly by the fervent heat and flames?

You could benefit greatly by doing a study of the coming of the Messiah the prophets of Old foretell. Search and see all that they anticipated would come in that day/time/age/era. Things like the prophet Isaiah says.

Isaiah 7:14 (KJV) Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.

Isaiah 9:6-7 (KJV) For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counseller, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this.

The prophet Joel begins chapter 2 telling of the Day of the Lord that comes. Read the whole chapter and look what the prophet foretells shall come with the advent of the Lord's coming. It includes so much more than what shall come to pass on the Last day of the Lord when He returns the second time. It is during the Day of the Lord Joel foretells that man must call on the name of the Lord to be saved. It takes an age of time not one day for that to come to pass. Joel's prophecy shows he expected the Day of the Lord that would come when the promised Messiah came would usher in a new age/era/time. A time when God would pour out His grace upon peoples and nations from throughout the whole earth.

Joel 2:1 (KJV) Blow ye the trumpet in Zion, and sound an alarm in my holy mountain: let all the inhabitants of the land tremble: for the day of the LORD cometh, for it is nigh at hand;

Acts 2:16 (KJV) But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;

Acts 2:21 (KJV) And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.

 

[rwb]

Jesus Christ isn't the "He" as you falsely claim, nor does Jesus make abomination and desolation as the bad guy seen below will do until the future consummation (The End)

Daniel 9:27KJV
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

It was not evil that caused the sacrifice and oblation to cease. It was through love that He gave of Himself to be the final sacrifice for atonement. By His shed blood He did away with the Old sacrificial system to usher in a New and better sacrifice of Himself. By sacrificing Himself He caused all sacrifice and oblation to cease. Why don't you understand this? His shed blood put to end the Old, but that was not made known until the city and temple were destroyed. Through lack of faith the Old sacrificial system continued after Christ's blood was poured out for forgiveness of ALL sin. That is why caused overspreading of abominations, and utter desolation of the Jewish nation, and it will continue to be a desolation until the spiritual Kingdom of God is complete. All according to the Providence and mighty hand of the Almighty God.

It was an abomination to God that the sacrifices and offerings continued to be made after the giving of His Son once for all sin.

Hebrews 7:27 (KJV) Who needeth not daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifice, first for his own sins, and then for the people's: for this he did once, when he offered up himself.

Hebrews 9:26 (KJV) For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.

Hebrews 10:8-10 (KJV) Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law; Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second. By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

Hebrews 10:16-18 (KJV) This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them; And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more. Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.

Hebrews 9:8-12 (KJV) The Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing: Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience; Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation. But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building; Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.

 

[Truth7t7]

But do you really believe the Day of the Lord the Old Covenant prophets foretell and patiently await was the final Day when all that is left alive on this earth shall be consumed utterly by the fervent heat and flames?

"Yes" All Living "Mortals" Will Be Judged By The Lord's Fire In Final Judgement, As The Old Testament Prophets Foretold, (The Day Of The Lord)

"The Day Shall Declare It"

1 Corinthians 3:13KJV
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

Isaiah 13:6-9KJV
6 Howl ye; for the day of the Lord is at hand; it shall come as a destruction from the Almighty.
7 Therefore shall all hands be faint, and every man's heart shall melt:
8 And they shall be afraid: pangs and sorrows shall take hold of them; they shall be in pain as a woman that travaileth: they shall be amazed one at another; their faces shall be as flames.
9 Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it.

Zechariah 14:1 & 12KJV
1 Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.

12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

 

[Always Believing]

There Will Be No 1,000 Year Millennial Kingdom Upon This Earth, Jesus Christ Returns In Fire And Final Judgement, Dissolving This Existing Earth By Fire, Immediately After The Tribulation

This Existing Heaven And Earth Will Be (Replaced) By The New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem, A New Creation, At The Return Of Jesus Christ

(Behold, I Make All Things New)

2 Peter 3:10-13KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Revelation 21:1-5KJV
1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

Matthew 24:29-30KJV
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

1 Corinthians 3:13KJV
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

2 Thessalonians 1:7-9KJV
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

Malachi 3:2KJV
2 But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap:

Psalm 46:6KJV
6 The heathen raged, the kingdoms were moved: he uttered his voice, the earth melted.

Psalm 50:3KJV
3 Our God shall come, and shall not keep silence: a fire shall devour before him, and it shall be very tempestuous round about him.

Psalm 97:5KJV
5 The hills melted like wax at the presence of the Lord, at the presence of the Lord of the whole earth.

Isaiah 66:15KJV
15 For, behold, the Lord will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.

Zechariah 14:12KJV
12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

Nahum 1:5-6KJV
5 The mountains quake at him, and the hills melt, and the earth is burned at his presence, yea, the world, and all that dwell therein.
6 Who can stand before his indignation? and who can abide in the fierceness of his anger? his fury is poured out like fire, and the rocks are thrown down by him.

Revelation 20:9KJV
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

Copy and past ad nauseum

 

[Truth7t7]

It was not evil that caused the sacrifice and oblation to cease. It was through love that He gave of Himself to be the final sacrifice for atonement. By His shed blood He did away with the Old sacrificial system to usher in a New and better sacrifice of Himself. By sacrificing Himself He caused all sacrifice and oblation to cease. Why don't you understand this? His shed blood put to end the Old, but that was not made known until the city and temple were destroyed. Through lack of faith the Old sacrificial system continued after Christ's blood was poured out for forgiveness of ALL sin. That is why caused overspreading of abominations, and utter desolation of the Jewish nation, and it will continue to be a desolation until the spiritual Kingdom of God is complete. All according to the Providence and mighty hand of the Almighty God.

It was an abomination to God that the sacrifices and offerings continued to be made after the giving of His Son once for all sin.

Hebrews 7:27 (KJV) Who needeth not daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifice, first for his own sins, and then for the people's: for this he did once, when he offered up himself.

Hebrews 9:26 (KJV) For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.

Hebrews 10:8-10 (KJV) Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law; Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second. By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

Hebrews 10:16-18 (KJV) This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them; And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more. Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.

Hebrews 9:8-12 (KJV) The Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing: Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience; Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation. But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building; Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.

Your eloquent words concerning Daniel's AOD, oppose Gods words of truth below

Daniels AOD seen in Luke 21:20 & Matthew 24:15, are future events unfulfilled, your claim of historical events is 100% "False"

It's a future generation that will be "eyewitnesses" of Daniel's AOD, The Great Tribulation, and Second Coming as seen below, read it again and again

Look Up, Lift Up Your Heads, Your Redemption Draweth Nigh"

"A Future Generation, Unfulfilled"

Luke 21:20 & 24-28KJV
20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.

24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.
25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;
26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.
27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.
28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.

 

[Truth7t7]

Copy and past ad nauseum

Your continued claims of a Millennial Kingdom on this earth are "False"

Jesus returns in fire and final judgment (The End) as you have been clearly shown

 

[rwb]

"Yes" All Living "Mortals" Will Be Judged By The Lord's Fire In Final Judgement, As The Old Testament Prophets Foretold, (The Day Of The Lord)

"The Day Shall Declare It"

1 Corinthians 3:13KJV
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

Isaiah 13:6-9KJV
6 Howl ye; for the day of the Lord is at hand; it shall come as a destruction from the Almighty.
7 Therefore shall all hands be faint, and every man's heart shall melt:
8 And they shall be afraid: pangs and sorrows shall take hold of them; they shall be in pain as a woman that travaileth: they shall be amazed one at another; their faces shall be as flames.
9 Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it.

Zechariah 14:1 & 12KJV
1 Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.

12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

Why do you quote only two verses from Zech 14? What else does the prophet prophecy shall come to pass when the day of the Lord comes?

Zechariah 14:8-9 (KJV) And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be. And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one.

John 4:10 (KJV) Jesus answered and said unto her, If thou knewest the gift of God, and who it is that saith to thee, Give me to drink; thou wouldest have asked of him, and he would have given thee living water.

The prophets of Old have much to say about the Day of the Lord that would come when the promised Messiah finally came. You focus only on the last day of the Day of the Lord when Christ will come again in fiery wrath as Judge. But you ignore all the prophecy of Old that speaks of goodness through God's grace that He promised shall come to pass when the promised Messiah came in His Day.

 

[WPM]

Why do you quote only two verses from Zech 14? What else does the prophet prophecy shall come to pass when the day of the Lord comes?

Zechariah 14:8-9 (KJV) And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be. And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one.

John 4:10 (KJV) Jesus answered and said unto her, If thou knewest the gift of God, and who it is that saith to thee, Give me to drink; thou wouldest have asked of him, and he would have given thee living water.

The prophets of Old have much to say about the Day of the Lord that would come when the promised Messiah finally came. You focus only on the last day of the Day of the Lord when Christ will come again in fiery wrath as Judge. But you ignore all the prophecy of Old that speaks of goodness through God's grace that He promised shall come to pass when the promised Messiah came in His Day.

I have found that "the day of the Lord" passages in the OT and the NT refer to Christ's fiery climactic return in judgment.

Zechariah 14 occurred 2000 years ago. Zechariah 14:1 declares, “Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.”

Hinneh Behold
yowm- day
baa' cometh
la-Yahweh the Lord
wªchulaq divides
shªlaaleek the spoils
bªqirbeek in the midst

This passage and especially its rendering in the King James Version has caused confusion to many Bible students over the years. However, a closer examination of the original dispels a lot of ambiguity surrounding the text. Firstly, the Hebrew does not actually say “the day of the Lord” as the King James Version renders it but ‘a day is coming for the Lord’.

There is no doubt, the phrase “the day of the Lord” normally relates to the second coming in Scripture, but Zechariah 14:1 does not state that in the original. We cannot therefore, with any certainty, insist upon the fact that this verse is referring to the day of the Lord. This places a completely different slant on the meaning of the whole chapter. Other versions translate the reading more accurate.

The NASB says: "Behold, a day is coming for the LORD when the spoil taken from you will be divided among you."

The YLT states: "Lo, a day hath come to Jehovah, And divided hath been thy spoil in thy midst."

A perusal of the Greek LXX Septuagint rendering of this passage supports this interpretation:

idou Behold
hmerai day
erxontai comes
tou the
kuriou Lord
kai even (or indeed)
diamerisqhsetai divides
ta the
skula spoils
sou you
en with
soi you

When we look at the usage of the Greek throughout the Old Testament (in the Greek LXX Septuagint) and our New Testament we find a definite pattern in relation to the wording and identification of the day of the Lord in the original.

In the New Testament:

Of the five “day of the Lord” passages in the New Testament, they read in the original:

Three are: “hemera kurios” (Acts 2:20, 1 Thessalonians 5:2, 2 Peter 3).

Two are: “hemera ho kurios” (1 Corinthians 5:5, 2 Corinthians 1:14).

In the Greek LXX Septuagint

Of the twenty “day of the Lord” passages in the Old Testament:

Eleven are: “hemera kurios” (Isaiah 13:6, 9, Ezekiel 13:5, 30:3, Joel 1:15, 2:1, 2:31, 3:14, Obadiah 1:15, Zephaniah 1:14, Malachi 4:5)

Four are: “hemera ho kurios” (Joel 2:11, Amos 5:18, 20, Zephaniah 1:7)

We can see, fifteen align precisely with the Greek New Testament wording and confirm that this would be the normal rendering of the coming of Christ in the Greek. That is 75%.

One reads: “hemera ekeinos kurios” (Jeremiah 46:10), also meaning day of the Lord.

One is: “hemera gar kurios” (Isaiah 2:12), literally meaning day for the Lord.

Finally, there are two references (one after the other in Zephaniah) that refer to the same climactic day. One says, “hemera thumos kurios” (Zephaniah 2:2), meaning a day of the Lord’s anger. The other reads, “hemera orge kurios” (Zephaniah 2:3), similarly meaning a day of the Lord’s anger. Plainly, they are both speaking of the same day in the same reading and in the same context.

That brings us to Zechariah 14:1, which is worded completely different from the rest, saying, “hmerai erxontai tou kuriou,” literally meaning “a day is coming for the LORD.” None of the other passages say this. It is not unreasonable to make a distinction between Zechariah’s description and that of the other nineteen references. The only similarity is the King James Version’s translation of the same in the English. Notwithstanding, regardless of how high one values the A.V. one cannot use this as conclusive proof for equating the day Zechariah is speaking of to the other nineteen. The original rendering supersedes any other translations.

Because this does not literally read “the day of the Lord” then we don’t have to understand it as “the day of the Lord.” If it were, it would have most likely read hemera kurios or hemera ho kurios in the Greek LXX Septuagint. Or failing that: hemera ekeinos kurios.

Whilst the wording of Zechariah 14:1 doesn't prevent it referring to the second coming of the Lord Jesus, the phrase ‘a day is coming for the Lord’ and ‘the day of the Lord’ are definitely not synonymous. It is therefore reasonable for us to question Premils identification of it with the second coming of the Lord and to consider the possibility that it relates to Christ’s first advent.

 

[Truth7t7]

The prophets of Old have much to say about the Day of the Lord that would come when the promised Messiah finally came. You focus only on the last day of the Day of the Lord when Christ will come again in fiery wrath as Judge. But you ignore all the prophecy of Old that speaks of goodness through God's grace that He promised shall come to pass when the promised Messiah came in His Day.

There isn't a 2,000+ year long day of the Lord as you claim, your teaching is no different than Dispensationalism's 2,000+ year gap between their teaching of the 69th-70th week of Daniel, being a floating 70th week of Millenniums and waiting, smiles!

As you have been clearly shown, (The Day Of The Lord) will take place on (The Last Day) of earth's existence at the second coming (The End)

Jesus Is The Lord

 

[Truth7t7]

It is therefore reasonable for us to question Premils identification of it with the second coming of the Lord and to consider the possibility that it relates to Christ’s first advent.

Your suggestion is "False", as you bend and twist scripture to suit your "Preterist" fulfillment in the first advent of Jesus Christ "Sad"!

Scripture below clearly shows the future second coming in "fire" (The Day Of The Lord), how far will one go in complete disregard of biblical truth, "hard to believe"!

Zechariah 14:1-12 below shows the Lords return to earth in fire in final judgement.

(Verse 1) shows "The Day Of The Lord" also seen in 2 Peter 3:10-13 "Fire Judgement" below

(Verse 2) Shows that all nations are gathered for the final battle of armageddon.

(Verses 3-5) shows the Lords return, and his eternal feet touch down on the earthly Mt, of Olives, and in the "Twinkling Of An Eye" 1 Cor 15:52 takes place, in the catching up, resurrection, final judgement by fire, and the New Heavens, Earth, and Jerusalem being revealed for eternity, judgement complete, eternity begins.

(Verses 6-7) Eternal light seen, in the eternal kingdom, Rev 22:1-5

(Verse 8) The river of life is seen, Rev 22:1-5

(Verse 10) The New creation is being revealed, the plain is lifted up.

(Verse 12) "The Day Of The Lord" showing the "Last Day" judgement by the Lords fire, as men are consumed as they stand on their feet, 2 Peter 3:10-13

2 Peter 3:10KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

Revelation 22:1KJV
And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.

"The Eternal Kingdom"!

Zechariah 14:1-12KJV
14 Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.
2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.
3 Then shall the Lord go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.
4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.
5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the Lord my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.
6 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the light shall not be clear, nor dark:
7 but it shall be one day which shall be known to the Lord, not day, nor night: but it shall come to pass, that at evening time it shall be light.
8 And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be.
9 And the Lordshall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one Lord, and his name one.
10 All the land shall be turned as a plain from Geba to Rimmon south of Jerusalem: and it shall be lifted up, and inhabited in her place, from Benjamin’s gate unto the place of the first gate, unto the corner gate, and from the tower of Hananeel unto the king’s winepresses.
11 And men shall dwell in it, and there shall be no more utter destruction; but Jerusalem shall be safely inhabited.
12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

 

[rwb]

I have found that "the day of the Lord" passages in the OT and the NT refer to Christ's fiery climactic return in judgment.

Zechariah 14 occurred 2000 years ago. Zechariah 14:1 declares, “Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.”

Hinneh Behold
yowm- day
baa' cometh
la-Yahweh the Lord
wªchulaq divides
shªlaaleek the spoils
bªqirbeek in the midst

This passage and especially its rendering in the King James Version has caused confusion to many Bible students over the years. However, a closer examination of the original dispels a lot of ambiguity surrounding the text. Firstly, the Hebrew does not actually say “the day of the Lord” as the King James Version renders it but ‘a day is coming for the Lord’.

There is no doubt, the phrase “the day of the Lord” normally relates to the second coming in Scripture, but Zechariah 14:1 does not state that in the original. We cannot therefore, with any certainty, insist upon the fact that this verse is referring to the day of the Lord. This places a completely different slant on the meaning of the whole chapter. Other versions translate the reading more accurate.

The NASB says: "Behold, a day is coming for the LORD when the spoil taken from you will be divided among you."

The YLT states: "Lo, a day hath come to Jehovah, And divided hath been thy spoil in thy midst."

A perusal of the Greek LXX Septuagint rendering of this passage supports this interpretation:

idou Behold
hmerai day
erxontai comes
tou the
kuriou Lord
kai even (or indeed)
diamerisqhsetai divides
ta the
skula spoils
sou you
en with
soi you

When we look at the usage of the Greek throughout the Old Testament (in the Greek LXX Septuagint) and our New Testament we find a definite pattern in relation to the wording and identification of the day of the Lord in the original.

In the New Testament:

Of the five “day of the Lord” passages in the New Testament, they read in the original:

Three are: “hemera kurios” (Acts 2:20, 1 Thessalonians 5:2, 2 Peter 3).

Two are: “hemera ho kurios” (1 Corinthians 5:5, 2 Corinthians 1:14).

In the Greek LXX Septuagint

Of the twenty “day of the Lord” passages in the Old Testament:

Eleven are: “hemera kurios” (Isaiah 13:6, 9, Ezekiel 13:5, 30:3, Joel 1:15, 2:1, 2:31, 3:14, Obadiah 1:15, Zephaniah 1:14, Malachi 4:5)

Four are: “hemera ho kurios” (Joel 2:11, Amos 5:18, 20, Zephaniah 1:7)

We can see, fifteen align precisely with the Greek New Testament wording and confirm that this would be the normal rendering of the coming of Christ in the Greek. That is 75%.

One reads: “hemera ekeinos kurios” (Jeremiah 46:10), also meaning day of the Lord.

One is: “hemera gar kurios” (Isaiah 2:12), literally meaning day for the Lord.

Finally, there are two references (one after the other in Zephaniah) that refer to the same climactic day. One says, “hemera thumos kurios” (Zephaniah 2:2), meaning a day of the Lord’s anger. The other reads, “hemera orge kurios” (Zephaniah 2:3), similarly meaning a day of the Lord’s anger. Plainly, they are both speaking of the same day in the same reading and in the same context.

That brings us to Zechariah 14:1, which is worded completely different from the rest, saying, “hmerai erxontai tou kuriou,” literally meaning “a day is coming for the LORD.” None of the other passages say this. It is not unreasonable to make a distinction between Zechariah’s description and that of the other nineteen references. The only similarity is the King James Version’s translation of the same in the English. Notwithstanding, regardless of how high one values the A.V. one cannot use this as conclusive proof for equating the day Zechariah is speaking of to the other nineteen. The original rendering supersedes any other translations.

Because this does not literally read “the day of the Lord” then we don’t have to understand it as “the day of the Lord.” If it were, it would have most likely read hemera kurios or hemera ho kurios in the Greek LXX Septuagint. Or failing that: hemera ekeinos kurios.

Whilst the wording of Zechariah 14:1 doesn't prevent it referring to the second coming of the Lord Jesus, the phrase ‘a day is coming for the Lord’ and ‘the day of the Lord’ are definitely not synonymous. It is therefore reasonable for us to question Premils identification of it with the second coming of the Lord and to consider the possibility that it relates to Christ’s first advent.

I'm not arguing the Day of the Lord coming the prophets of Old foretell are not the last day when Christ returns in fiery judgment. What I'm arguing is that the coming day of the Lord, the promised Messiah, the prophets of Old foretell is not one day, but an age/era/time that began when the promised Messiah came to earth a man. There is no question the day of the Lord the apostles foretell shall come is ALWAYS the return of Christ in fiery judgment. That is still the day/age/era of the Lord the prophets of Old foretell would come, but is the last day of this Messianic age of grace that will end when the seventh angel begins to sound and time shall be no more.

The prophets of Old have much to tell us of what shall come to pass in "that day". That is the Messianic Gospel age/era/time/day when God shall save them as the flock of His people.

Zechariah 9:16 (KJV) And the LORD their God shall save them in that day as the flock of his people: for they shall be as the stones of a crown, lifted up as an ensign upon his land.

Zechariah 9:16 (YLT) And saved them hath Jehovah their God In that day, as a flock of His people, For stones of a crown are displaying themselves over His ground.

Zechariah 2:10-11 (KJV) Sing and rejoice, O daughter of Zion: for, lo, I come, and I will dwell in the midst of thee, saith the LORD. And many nations shall be joined to the LORD in that day, and shall be my people: and I will dwell in the midst of thee, and thou shalt know that the LORD of hosts hath sent me unto thee.

Your last sentence quoted below sums up fairly well (particularly that highlighted) how I have come to understand the day of the Lord coming, prophesied of Old, began to be fulfilled when the promised Messiah came to earth a man, and that day/age/time/era will be finished when the spiritual Kingdom of God is complete and the seventh angel sounds.

"It is therefore reasonable for us to question Premils identification of it with the second coming of the Lord and to consider the possibility that it relates to Christ’s first advent."

 

[rwb]

There isn't a 2,000+ year long day of the Lord as you claim, your teaching is no different than Dispensationalism's 2,000+ year gap between their teaching of the 69th-70th week of Daniel, being a floating 70th week of Millenniums and waiting, smiles!

As you have been clearly shown, (The Day Of The Lord) will take place on (The Last Day) of earth's existence at the second coming (The End)

Jesus Is The Lord

There most assuredly is a long period of time called the day of the Lord which began with the first advent of Christ, the Messianic Gospel age of grace, and it will end when the seventh angel begins to sound that time given this day/age/era shall be no longer. Then Satan will be free for a "little season" that will end with the return of Christ in fiery judgment.

 

[Truth7t7]

There most assuredly is a long period of time called the day of the Lord which began with the first advent of Christ, the Messianic Gospel age of grace, and it will end when the seventh angel begins to sound that time given this day/age/era shall be no longer. Then Satan will be free for a "little season" that will end with the return of Christ in fiery judgment.

I Strongly Disagree, (The Day Of The Lord) is (The Last Day) that will see the Lord's second coming in fire and final judgement

Your claim it started at the first advent and last 2,000 years to the second coming is "Laughable", the horse is dead, it's all yours

Jesus Is The Lord

 

[covenantee]

Jesus Christ isn't the "He" as you falsely claim

Grammar identifies "He" as Messiah the Prince.

Is grammar false?