Saved by God := Through Faith

[Patrick1966]

Another idiotic statement to cover for your FAILUE to produce actual proof for your lies.
Good job, Einstein . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

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I accept your apology.

 

[ButterflyJones]

Another idiotic statement to cover for your FAILUE to produce actual proof for your lies.
Good job, Einstein . . .

You are one angry enraged incredibly bitter guy. Who clearly hates Protestants.
Wow!

 

[BreadOfLife]

You are one angry enraged incredibly bitter guy. Who clearly hates Protestants.
Wow!

No - I hate lies and stupidity. I love Protestants.
9 of my 12 siblingds are Protestants.

Do YOU think it's okat to lie about other's beliefs?
OR, do you adhere to God's Commandment against bearing FALSE witness?

 

[Patrick1966]

 

[bro.tan]

I don't try to teach anything of God, that I don't already have Scripture for. I'll give them here again for you.

Rejoice ye in that day, and leap for joy; for, behold, your reward is great in heaven: for in the like manner did their fathers unto the prophets.

Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,

Knowing that of the Lord ye shall receive the reward of the inheritance: for ye serve the Lord Christ.

Cast not away therefore your confidence, which hath great recompence of reward.

Look to yourselves, that we lose not those things which we have wrought, but that we receive a full reward.

Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God?

We are saved by grace to believe unto righteousness. But only the righteous receive the reward of inheriting the kingdom of God at the resurrection of the dead.

Being saved by grace in this life is good, but only those doing righteousness by grace attain to the resurrection of the dead unto everlasting life.

Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ,

And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith: That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death;

If by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead.

Believing unto righteousness saves by grace today, but only doing the righteousness of God in the end, resurrects to inherit His righteous kingdom forever.

I agree but there still an order that we must do or adhere to, because yes, Jesus brought grace when he came in the flesh, but example of grace was in the days of Noah. But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD. (Genesis 6:8), And Noah and his family was saved. Now Paul said in (Rom. 3:23-25) (v.23) For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God. (v.24) Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: (v.25) Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God. So the bible tells you to repent and be baptized in the name of Jesus for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost." (Acts 2 :36-38). And by doing so you come up under his precious blood and then you are saved from your sins that are past, not present or future sins but for sins that are past.

So by coming under the blood of Jesus you are saved from your past sins. And if you are saved now, it is on a day to day basis. Because for all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God (Romans 23:3), and if you continue to live you will sin again. It is the willful sinning that you need to put in check. For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, but a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. (Hebrew 10: 26, 27)

Now look what Paul says in Romans 12: 1 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service. 2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God. 3 For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith. 9 Let love be without dissimulation. Abhor that which is evil; cleave to that which is good. 10 Be kindly affectioned one to another with brotherly love; in honour preferring one another; 11 not slothful in business; fervent in spirit; serving the Lord; 12 rejoicing in hope; patient in tribulation; continuing instant in prayer;

See....this is the person one should be after they have repented and came up under the blood of Jesus. This is how grace works for a person, according to the Bible.

 

[BreadOfLife]

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Was that meant to start a conversation - otr just admission that you LIED about the Church selling Indulgences?

 

[Jim B]

Saved by faith alone is a false doctrine that's contrary to scripture. It's nonsense.

Ephesians 2:8-9, "For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— not by works, so that no one can boast."

Why is this Scripture nonsense? What else is required? Works?

 

[BreadOfLife]

Ephesians 2:8-9, "For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— not by works, so that no one can boast."

Why is this Scripture nonsense? What else is required? Works?

The whole point is – how do YOU define “FAITH”.

Is faith simply believing? If that’s what you think it is – I’ve got some BAD news for you . . .
James 2:18-19
But someone will say, “You have faith; I have deeds.” Show me your faith without deeds, and I will show you my faith by my deeds. You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe that—and shudder.

No – Faith involves Belief + Obedience (Works). And not works of our own.
Eph. 2:10 tells us that Hod Himself prepared works for us in advance to complete. The works that are an essential element of our faith were prepared by HIM.

THAT’S why the verse that precedes this (Eph. 2:9) says that they are NOT works of our own.
And THAT'S why Ja,es 2:24 tells us that faith without works is DEAD.

 

[robert derrick]

I'll stick with the Gospel of Jesus.

Good.

That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

Do you believe from the heart you can live righteously and walk as He walked, by the power and divine nature given to them that believe unto righteousness from the heart?

 

[robert derrick]

Claiming Paul and John had their own Gospel is a new one. Odd. But new.

In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.

You either don't read all Scripture, or don't pay close attention to what is said in Scripture.

At this point, my gospel I preach from Scripture, is obviously not the same as yours'. Even as Paul's gospel preached by revelation of the Lord, was not the same as that preached by others.

As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

 

[DJT_47]

Ephesians 2:8-9, "For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— not by works, so that no one can boast."

Why is this Scripture nonsense? What else is required? Works?

It's simple! Because it's not the only scripture! There are many more that add additional requirements.

 

[ButterflyJones]

Good.

That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

Do you believe from the heart you can live righteously and walk as He walked, by the power and divine nature given to them that believe unto righteousness from the heart?

Eternally irrevocably saved from the moment we believe, yes.

A righteous walk after is a process as best as can be accomplished in mortal indwelt form.

We can never attain the status of Christ Like in its fullest sense. Because Christ was God. And we to our last molecule are as God made us.

 

[ButterflyJones]

In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.

You either don't read all Scripture, or don't pay close attention to what is said in Scripture.

At this point, my gospel I preach from Scripture, is obviously not the same as yours'. Even as Paul's gospel preached by revelation of the Lord, was not the same as that preached by others.

As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

I don't think you understand what you just said there so I'll leave you with it.

 

[Behold]

We can never attain the status of Christ Like in its fullest sense. Because Christ was God. And we to our last molecule are as God made us.

But we can attain this...on earth.

1.) "As Jesus is So are the Born again ..... in this World"

2.) "The fullness of the Stature of Christ".

3.) "as many as be perfect".

4.) "Walking in the Spirit, and you will not fulfill the lusts of the Flesh"
= That's not a "sometimes truth".

And Paul also teaches that :

"Christ always gives me the Victory", 'and i can do all things Through Christ".

See that?... That is not...>"sometimes a christian is just going to sin".. theology, that is exactly the opposite of Christianity.


Let me show you one more, ButterflyJones...

Paul said..>"Use not your liberty for an occasion to the Flesh".
See that?
"Liberty" is the Grace of God that has dealt with all sin through the BLood Atonement......and "Using it" for "flesh", means, you chose to do it.
IN other words, real Christianity, is supposed to exert the Power of Christ in you to the degree that you have such power over your own carnality, that the only reason you'd do some work of the flesh, is because you just did.......not because you couldn't help yourself.

"the sinning and confessing, and repeat"......Christian, is not walking in the Grace of God by right understanding, yet.
Their Faith, is broken... they have no understanding of being "Made Righteous", that is to be "made free from Sin".

And the wonder of it, is that these types will fight you on a forum, because that is what they want.
They'll tell you..>"oh, no no no, im supposed to sin and confess, and repeat, see, i read 1 John"..
There are a lot of 1 verse believers running around trying to teach.
You've noticed?
I find that these people have not even memorized 4 verses, in their life, but they can cut and paste verses, complete with the chapter and verse... as that is basically their ministry.... just that.
They cut and paste and say...>"see there".

Yes, i see.

 

[Behold]

No - I hate lies and stupidity.

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[mailmandan]

Ephesians 2:8-9, "For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— not by works, so that no one can boast."

Why is this Scripture nonsense? What else is required? Works?

Amen! That salvation is by grace through faith and is not by works (Ephesians 2:8,9) is not hard to understand. It's just hard for works-salvationists to ACCEPT. It's a shame that human pride will not allow works-salvationists to place their faith in Jesus Christ as the ALL-sufficient means of their salvation. Their hands are full of their works and they will not let go in order to receive Christ through faith.

 

[robert derrick]

I agree but there still an order that we must do or adhere to, because yes, Jesus brought grace when he came in the flesh, but example of grace was in the days of Noah. But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD. (Genesis 6:8), And Noah and his family was saved.

Noah, by obeying the commandment of God, and doing the work of building the ark by faith, and was rewarded with deliverance from the flood upon the wicked.

The resurrection of the saints with eternal reward and inheritance, is compared to Noah rising in the ark by the waters of the flood, at the Lord's second coming to earth.

Now Paul said in (Rom. 3:23-25) (v.23) For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God. (v.24) Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: (v.25) Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God. So the bible tells you to repent and be baptized in the name of Jesus for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost." (Acts 2 :36-38). And by doing so you come up under his precious blood and then you are saved from your sins that are past, not present or future sins but for sins that are past.

Exactly. And if we as 2 Peter 1 commands, then do the good work of adding those things necessary not to fall, as Noah did with the ark not to drown, then we too are rewarded with the inheritance of eternal salvation.

So by coming under the blood of Jesus you are saved from your past sins. And if you are saved now, it is on a day to day basis.

Exactly. Yesterday is past, and tomorrow may not come.

Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended: but this one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before,

Take therefore no thought for the morrow: for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself. Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof.

Because for all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God (Romans 23:3),

All have sinned in the past. Not all are sinning today.

and if you continue to live you will sin again.

If we sin, not when.

Divest yourself of this OSAS lie, and apply yourself to Peter's promise of never falling.

It is the willful sinning that you need to put in check. For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, but a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. (Hebrew 10: 26, 27)

True. But also by prayer in the Holy Ghost and building up ourselves upon His faith, we also can be blameless in soul, spirit, and body. (Jude) (1 Thess 5:23)

This is where unexpected sinning can also be overcome, so that we don't curse God and man when stubbing the little toe in the night.

Now look what Paul says in Romans 12: 1 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service. 2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God. 3 For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith. 9 Let love be without dissimulation. Abhor that which is evil; cleave to that which is good. 10 Be kindly affectioned one to another with brotherly love; in honour preferring one another; 11 not slothful in business; fervent in spirit; serving the Lord; 12 rejoicing in hope; patient in tribulation; continuing instant in prayer;

See....this is the person one should be after they have repented and came up under the blood of Jesus. This is how grace works for a person, according to the Bible.

True.

I would say you only speak of surely sinning again, as a mistaken agreement with the heretical teaching of OSAS, that doing righteousness at all times, is as being God on the throne.

The man Jesus was not so perfect, that He could not even be tempted to sin.

When OSAS people go into their hypocritical dirge of doing righteousness 100% of the time in perfect perfection, they are simply making excuse for sinning works of the flesh from time to time. They petulantly try to force the righteous into 'humbly' not claiming to have arrived. They think they can be saved by faith alone, and justified by doctrinal agreement alone.

Doing righteousness at all times, by enduring and overcoming temptation, even as Jesus walked, is not as having already been resurrected into the air with Christ at His second coming.

It's simply walking as He walked blamelessly, which is our commandment and calling and election.

And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

The alternative faith alone gospel, is simply for them that do not believe with the heart unto righteousness, which is the faith of Jesus given to them He saves by grace.

Their faith only to continue sinning is of another gospel, that that which Jesus and the apostles preach in Scripture.

 

[BreadOfLife]

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This is neither - so what's your point, Einstein?
Couldn't actually formulate a thought?

 

[Behold]

This is neither - so what's your point, Einstein?
Couldn't actually formulate a thought?

I have to keep it very simple when i deal with you.
As you know.

What i find fascinating about that Photo, is many things.... and one of them..... is that you have a grown man in a clown suit worshipping a black plastic 20 ft Mary, and the people in the room, adore it., as do the people who follow this leader.