Saved by God := Through Faith

[BreadOfLife]

I have to keep it very simple when i deal with you.
As you know.

What i find fascinating about that Photo, is many things.... and one of them..... is that you have a grown man in a clown suit worshipping a black plastic 20 ft Mary, and the people in the room, adore it., as do the people who follow this leader.

And I have to keep is just as simple with people who have your disrder - CDS (Catholic Derangement Syndrome).

Is this guy "worshipping" a slab of marble?


Is this woman "worshipping" a stone cross idol?


Are these people "worshipping" a flag-draped box?


OR - are YOU just a fool who can't tell the difference?

 

[Behold]

Are these people "worshipping" a flag-draped box?
OR - are YOU just a fool who can't tell the difference?

Nothing they are looking at is a 20ft plastic Mary, who the "cult of mary" teaches is a 2nd mediator, helping Christ get people saved.

So, are you the fool who does not know or realize this? Or are you the fool who is too ignorant to understand what i just showed you in the Photo and told you in the Post.?
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[Behold]

And I have to keep is just as simple with people who have your disrder - CDS (Catholic Derangement Syndrome).

Is this guy "worshipping" a slab of marble?
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Is this woman "worshipping" a stone cross idol?


Are these people "worshipping" a flag-draped box?


OR - are YOU just a fool who can't tell the difference?

 

[BreadOfLife]

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That's what I thought.
When push comes to shove - you ALWAYS fail.

Good job, Einstein . . .

 

[Behold]

That's what I thought.
When push comes to shove - you ALWAYS fail.

Not so far.

And 2 more for you, unless you need more.
Thats on you.

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The Council of Ephesus in 431 sanctioned the > cult of the Virgin< as Mother of God;

Then....
Pope Gregory’s reading of the role of Mary would be repeated by monks and priests. They would weave in to the Gospels his readings as if they were Gospel themselves soon forgetting that it was myth. The words of Gregory soon became a reality. The birth of the cult of the Virgin Mary had begun. She became a pure and perfect form of womanhood, an expectation of perfection within the female form.

And for their next magic Trick...... we have this amazing feat...

Irenaeus.
IN his book Against Heresies (Book 5, ch. 19, c. AD 185) that talks about "recapitulation." He talks about how Jesus undid through obedience what Adam caused through disobedience. It also says that Mary, obeying while a virgin, undid the disobedience of Eve who disobeyed while a virgin.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Not so far.

And 2 more for you, unless you need more.
Thats on you.
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The Council of Ephesus in 431 sanctioned the > cult of the Virgin< as Mother of God;

Then....
Pope Gregory’s reading of the role of Mary would be repeated by monks and priests. They would weave in to the Gospels his readings as if they were Gospel themselves soon forgetting that it was myth. The words of Gregory soon became a reality. The birth of the cult of the Virgin Mary had begun. She became a pure and perfect form of womanhood, an expectation of perfection within the female form.

Mary's being proclaimed Theoltokos (God-Bearer) at the Council of Ephesus had less to do with HER and everything to do with Her SON.

It was this Council that dealt with the Nestorian Heresy - the Jesus wasn't God - but that Gis merely dwelt in a man.

The Council defined the doctrine of the Hypostatic Union - that Jesus is FULL Man and GULLY God.
In order to more fully explain this - Mary's role had to be explained - and that was that she had carried and given birth to the GOD-Man (Theanthropos).

I realize that this is ALL oabove your head, intelectually-speaking - but hang in there.
You might learn something . . ..

Irenaeus.
IN his book Against Heresies (Book 5, ch. 19, c. AD 185) that talks about "recapitulation." He talks about how Jesus undid through obedience what Adam caused through disobedience. It also says that Mary, obeying while a virgin, undid the disobedience of Eve who disobeyed while a virgin.

He's absolutely correct.

 

[ButterflyJones]

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I wouldn't buy into the claim they are actually RCC.
The hatred and vitriol, the name calling, isn't an example of a true Catholic, imo.
Rather, it sounds to me like trolling using the RC veneer so to also insult Catholics.

A few years ago there was a news report of an atheist man who stood up during a Catholic church service and began screaming all sorts of insults against the church and God. Very loud and disruptive.

Rather than have the staff escort him out the congregants began singing hymns. They weren't loud, they simply sang at regular volume and drowned the man out.

Eventually, he left.

From what I've gleaned that one and another, who will appear after I write this I'm sure, , Mary Mother of God (GOD does not have a mother), comport themselves the same way.


What a sorry testimony they present for Roman Catholicism.

If we feed them attention they're inspired to continue.
Just like that atheist guy in the church.
Had someone stood and debated his hate filled loud rhetoric he'd have continued.

Instead they gave praise to God in hymns and he left.

 

[ButterflyJones]

Mary's being proclaimed Theoltokos (God-Bearer) at the Council of Ephesus had less to do with HER and everything to do with Her SON.

It was this Council that dealt with the Nestorian Heresy - the Jesus wasn't God - but that Gis merely dwelt in a man.

The Council defined the doctrine of the Hypostatic Union - that Jesus is FULL Man and GULLY God.
In order to more fully explain this - Mary's role had to be explained - and that was that she had carried and given birth to the GOD-Man (Theanthropos).

I realize that this is ALL oabove your head, intelectually-speaking - but hang in there.
You might learn something . . ..

He's absolutely correct.

The council of Chalcedon made the decree concerning the Hypostatic Union. Not the council of Ephesus.

 

[robert derrick]

Eternally irrevocably saved from the moment we believe, yes.

A righteous walk after is a process as best as can be accomplished in mortal indwelt form.

We can never attain the status of Christ Like in its fullest sense. Because Christ was God. And we to our last molecule are as God made us.

Since you don't believe with the heart unto righteousness of Jesus, then your faith is not His.

Your progressive self-improvement Christian 'process', is not the pure religion of Jesus Christ by grace.

Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.

 

[ButterflyJones]

Since you don't believe with the heart unto righteousness of Jesus, then your faith is not His.

Your progressive self-improvement Christian 'process', is not the pure religion of Jesus Christ by grace.

Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.

What ann odd rebuttal.

You're not aware we are saved by faith through God's grace?

 

[robert derrick]

What ann odd rebuttal.

It's called Scripture as written.

You're not aware we are saved by faith through God's grace?

You don't believe we can righteously walk as He walked on earth. That's unbelief in the good news of Jesus Christ.

And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.

 

[mailmandan]

What ann odd rebuttal.

You're not aware we are saved by faith through God's grace?

Apparently, he remains under the delusion that he is saved through sinless perfection, instead of by grace through faith, which is heresy. (1 John 1:8-10) Those who do not trust in the death, burial and resurrection of Christ as the ALL-SUFFICIENT means of their salvation (Romans 1:16; 1 Corinthians 15:1-4) remain in unbelief of the good news of Jesus Christ. (2 Corinthians 4:3,4)

 

[Michiah-Imla]

he remains under the delusion that he is saved through sinless perfection, instead of by grace through faith

If you do not remain sinless after Christ has purged you of sin, then prepare to hear these words in the end:

“…I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.” (Matthew 7:23)​

 

[Behold]

He's absolutely correct.

You say that Mary, who was a sinner, needing to be saved, same as you, had the same spiritual capacity to deal with the sin of Eve, as did her Son.
Not only is that intellectually dishonest, its absolutely a deception of the Devil.
God would never give a human being, born of a Adam nature man, co-equal authority with His virgin born Holy Son.
Only the "cult of mary" would openly proclaim such deception, proudly.
As you know, BreadOfLife.

 

[Behold]

Rather, it sounds to me like trolling using the RC veneer so to also insult Catholics.

Yes, He's a Troll.

 

[mailmandan]

Yes, He's a Troll.

Sadly, we have too much trolling and too many heretical teachings on this board.

 

[Behold]

Sadly, we have too much trolling and too many heretical teachings on this board.

The way to solve most of the Trolling, (fighting) is just to eliminate 6 Topics that bring the Trollers to all the forums.
Get rid of these, and these people would have no reason to be on any Christian Forum.
Then they could sit home and talk to themselves about it.

End these Topics .

1.) OSAS
2.) Deity of Christ
3.) Hell
4.) Rapture
5.) KJV version
6.) Pre-Destined Elect

 

[mailmandan]

The way to solve most of the Trolling, (fighting) is just to eliminate 6 Topics that bring the Trollers to all the forums.
Get rid of these, and these people would have no reason to be on any Christian Forum.
Then they could sit home and talk to themselves about it.

End these Topics .

1.) OSAS
2.) Deity of Christ
3.) Hell
4.) Rapture
5.) KJV version
6.) Pre-Destined Elect

Especially #1 and #2. Trolls and heretics are typically AGITATORS and SELF PROMOTERS.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

we are saved by faith through God's grace

“…you stand by faith. Do not be high-minded, but fear. For if God did not spare the natural branches, fear lest He also may not spare you either!” (Romans 11:20-21)

 

[Behold]

“…you stand by faith. Do not be high-minded, but fear. For if God did not spare the natural branches, fear lest He also may not spare you either!” (Romans 11:20-21)

Trying to prove that the born again can lose God's free gift of salvation.... is the Devil's work.
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Start today.