Heart Talks on Holiness

[marks]

The way “Sinless Perfectionism” is hated soo much by many around here tells me that it isn’t effective with them.

They seem to fit the ones in this scripture:

“Why should ye be stricken any more? ye will revolt more and more: the whole head is sick, and the whole heart faint.” (Isaiah 1:5)

I often hear the cry “everyone sins everyday”. So chastening obviously is not effective with them.

I don't think we all share the same definitions of sin, myself.

I think that failing to hope the best, to think the best of others is sin, do you? Keeping in your mind the catalog of what others have done wrong, that's sin, right? To assume evil things of others, is this sin?

Much love!

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Romans 6:1-2 it’s answered by Paul.

its ok. Let him rant.. I do not respond to his Holier than Thou comments anymore.

he thinks he does not sin anymore. which means he does not know what sin is.. Because if he did. he would be like paul and understand how wretched of a man he truly is.. and not be puffing himself up like the pharisees.

 

[ChristisGod]

its ok. Let him rant.. I do not respond to his Holier than Thou comments anymore.

he thinks he does not sin anymore. which means he does not know what sin is.. Because if he did. he would be like paul and understand how wretched of a man he truly is.. and not be puffing himself up like the pharisees.

All I was pointing out that sin is a choice and we don’t have to as God has provided a way of escaping for us when we are tempted.

1 Cor 10:13
No temptation has overtaken you except what is common to mankind. And God is faithful; he will not let you be tempted beyond what you can bear. But when you are tempted, he will also provide a way out so that you can endure it.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

All I was pointing out that sin is a choice and we don’t have to as God has provided a way of escaping for us when we are tempted.

1 Cor 10:13
No temptation has overtaken you except what is common to mankind. And God is faithful; he will not let you be tempted beyond what you can bear. But when you are tempted, he will also provide a way out so that you can endure it.

yes, this is true

but if we think we resist temptation 100% of the time every time.. well something is wrong

 

[Michiah-Imla]

I think that failing to hope the best, to think the best of others is sin, do you?

Keeping in your mind the catalog of what others have done wrong, that's sin, right?

To assume evil things of others, is this sin?

I assume nothing.

I keep no mental records.

PEOPLE SAY THAT THEY SIN.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

1 John 1: 8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us.

notice 3 things said of believers

1. We we say we have no sin (present tense) we are deceived
2. When we do sin, we can go boldly to the throne of grace (kind of hard to do if we are sinless)
3. If we claim we have never sinned, we make God a liar.

if someone claims they have no sin, they are decieved.. The word says this not me..

 

[Ritajanice]

This also is an interesting read from GOT

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Why do we still sin after salvation?​

Salvation begins the moment we receive, by faith, God’s offer of forgiveness through the death and resurrection of His Son, Jesus (Ephesians 2:8–9; John 1:12). Jesus called it being “born again” (John 3:3). In repenting and giving up our old life, we receive the new life Jesus purchased for us with His blood (2 Corinthians 5:17, 21). We are washed clean, and God chooses to remember our sins no more (Psalm 103:12). But we soon notice that our propensity to sin is still part of us. How can that be, since we are new creaturesin Christ? We still sin because we, though forgiven, are still fallen human beings.

Salvation breaks the power that sin once had over us. We were slaves to sin and served it willingly (Romans 6:20–23, 7:14–15). While slaves to sin, it was impossible to please God (Romans 8:8). Regardless of how often we turned over a new leaf, straightened up, went to church, or performed righteous deeds, our souls were still enslaved to unrighteousness and we stood as condemned before God.

Upon surrender of our lives to the lordship of Jesus, we became God’s sons and daughters (Ephesians 1:5; Romans 8:15). But just as children sometimes disobey their parents as they grow, God’s children sometimes disobey Him. We rebel, get angry, or doubt for a while; the difference is, we can no longer live lifestyles of sin because our nature has changed (2 Corinthians 5:17; 1 John 3:4–10). A fish may long to live on the beach, but once it has flipped itself onto the sand, it wants nothing but to return to the water because its nature is not designed for dry land. A fish was created for the water. So it is with us. The nature of those indwelt by the Holy Spirit is to live in righteousness. We may flip ourselves into sin at times, but we can’t survive there. The new nature thrives in righteousness and obedience to God. The degree to which we allow the Holy Spirit access to every area of our lives is the degree to which we live as God intended us to live.

Good parents don’t let their toddler play on the highway. They may start with a stern warning, but if the child persists in heading toward the road, good parents come after him, and the discipline will be memorable and effective. So it is when we, as God’s children, stiffen our necks and charge toward evil. Our Father comes after us. God does not allow us to get away with sin because He is a good Father. Hebrews 12:5–11 says that God’s discipline in our lives is one way we can tell that we belong to Jesus.

To the praise of God’s glory, after we are saved, God deals with our sin differently than He did before we were saved. First John 1:9tells us that we can confess our sin and be forgiven. Confession means we humbly agree with God about how bad sin is. We admit we were wrong and ask His forgiveness. The awareness of our sin and the confession of it should be a regular practice. The first of Martin Luther’s 95 Theses says, “When our Lord and Master Jesus Christ said ‘Repent,’ he intended that the entire life of believers should be repentance.” God can pardon us and maintain His justice because our sin was already paid for by Jesus. There is no need to punish us because He has already punished His Son (Colossians 2:14).

As we “grow in grace and in the knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ” (2 Peter 3:18), we overcome besetting sins(Hebrews 12:1). Peter lists steps we can take in developing our new nature and ends with the promise that, if we do these things, we “will never stumble” (2 Peter 1:3–10). Our holiness is the goal, but John acknowledges that we still sin: “My dear children, I write this to you so that you will not sin. But if anybody does sin, we have an advocate with the Father—Jesus Christ, the Righteous One” (1 John 2:1).

God’s desire for us is that we not sin, and one day our sanctification will be complete (1 John 3:2). But, until that time, we still inhabit fallen bodies in a fallen world, and we struggle with the flesh and sometimes lose the battle. But we will not be lost; Jesus Himself intercedes for us as our High Priest (Romans 8:34).

 

[Episkopos]

This also is an interesting read from GOT

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Why do we still sin after salvation?​

Salvation begins the moment we receive, by faith, God’s offer of forgiveness through the death and resurrection of His Son, Jesus (Ephesians 2:8–9; John 1:12). Jesus called it being “born again” (John 3:3). In repenting and giving up our old life, we receive the new life Jesus purchased for us with His blood (2 Corinthians 5:17, 21). We are washed clean, and God chooses to remember our sins no more (Psalm 103:12). But we soon notice that our propensity to sin is still part of us. How can that be, since we are new creaturesin Christ? We still sin because we, though forgiven, are still fallen human beings.

Salvation breaks the power that sin once had over us. We were slaves to sin and served it willingly (Romans 6:20–23, 7:14–15). While slaves to sin, it was impossible to please God (Romans 8:8). Regardless of how often we turned over a new leaf, straightened up, went to church, or performed righteous deeds, our souls were still enslaved to unrighteousness and we stood as condemned before God.

Upon surrender of our lives to the lordship of Jesus, we became God’s sons and daughters (Ephesians 1:5; Romans 8:15). But just as children sometimes disobey their parents as they grow, God’s children sometimes disobey Him. We rebel, get angry, or doubt for a while; the difference is, we can no longer live lifestyles of sin because our nature has changed (2 Corinthians 5:17; 1 John 3:4–10). A fish may long to live on the beach, but once it has flipped itself onto the sand, it wants nothing but to return to the water because its nature is not designed for dry land. A fish was created for the water. So it is with us. The nature of those indwelt by the Holy Spirit is to live in righteousness. We may flip ourselves into sin at times, but we can’t survive there. The new nature thrives in righteousness and obedience to God. The degree to which we allow the Holy Spirit access to every area of our lives is the degree to which we live as God intended us to live.

Good parents don’t let their toddler play on the highway. They may start with a stern warning, but if the child persists in heading toward the road, good parents come after him, and the discipline will be memorable and effective. So it is when we, as God’s children, stiffen our necks and charge toward evil. Our Father comes after us. God does not allow us to get away with sin because He is a good Father. Hebrews 12:5–11 says that God’s discipline in our lives is one way we can tell that we belong to Jesus.

To the praise of God’s glory, after we are saved, God deals with our sin differently than He did before we were saved. First John 1:9tells us that we can confess our sin and be forgiven. Confession means we humbly agree with God about how bad sin is. We admit we were wrong and ask His forgiveness. The awareness of our sin and the confession of it should be a regular practice. The first of Martin Luther’s 95 Theses says, “When our Lord and Master Jesus Christ said ‘Repent,’ he intended that the entire life of believers should be repentance.” God can pardon us and maintain His justice because our sin was already paid for by Jesus. There is no need to punish us because He has already punished His Son (Colossians 2:14).

As we “grow in grace and in the knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ” (2 Peter 3:18), we overcome besetting sins(Hebrews 12:1). Peter lists steps we can take in developing our new nature and ends with the promise that, if we do these things, we “will never stumble” (2 Peter 1:3–10). Our holiness is the goal, but John acknowledges that we still sin: “My dear children, I write this to you so that you will not sin. But if anybody does sin, we have an advocate with the Father—Jesus Christ, the Righteous One” (1 John 2:1).

God’s desire for us is that we not sin, and one day our sanctification will be complete (1 John 3:2). But, until that time, we still inhabit fallen bodies in a fallen world, and we struggle with the flesh and sometimes lose the battle. But we will not be lost; Jesus Himself intercedes for us as our High Priest (Romans 8:34).

This is where people deviate from the truth. And also why so few experience resurrection life. No longer having sin as a lifestyle is a good step forward. Our "Old Man" is "crucified" so that the same things that used to please us have changed.

But this is not due to us now being holy. We will still sin...as Paul states in Romans 7. The sample of FREE grace is insufficient to overcome sin and translate us into the kingdom walk in the Spirit. We need to be baptized in the Spirit for that.

At that point we are to go to the cross...and seek the FULL MEASURE OF GRACE ....at the throne of grace. But this will cost us everything. The many parables of Jesus confirm the cost of this step INTO Christ...where holiness is found.

The Life that is in Christ must be bought...the cost of the fulness of God in Christ? All we have and are.

An entire sanctification is NOT gradual and a slow process by works and trial and error. No it is by grace through faith. It is instantaneous. As we sell ALL to be joined to Christ we receive His perfection. (Not His maturity, that is still something we have to grow into).

Nobody grows into holiness. But once we are in a holy place we grow into Christ-likeness from there. Like the Promised Land cannot be conquered in the wilderness walk.

What most people do is "bury their talent" and believe the lie that sanctification is a process...thus not obligating them to go to God to receive of HIS fulness.

 

[ChristisGod]

This is where people deviate from the truth. And also why so few experience resurrection life. No longer having sin as a lifestyle is a good step forward. Our "Old Man" is "crucified" so that the same things that used to please us have changed.

But this is not due to us now being holy. We will still sin...as Paul states in Romans 7. The sample of FREE grace is insufficient to overcome sin and translate us into the kingdom walk in the Spirit. We need to be baptized in the Spirit for that.

At that point we are to go to the cross...and seek the FULL MEASURE OF GRACE ....at the throne of grace. But this will cost us everything. The many parables of Jesus confirm the cost of this step INTO Christ...where holiness is found.

The Life that is in Christ must be bought...the cost of the fulness of God in Christ? All we have and are.

An entire sanctification is NOT gradual and a slow process by works and trial and error. No it is by grace through faith. It is instantaneous. As we sell ALL to be joined to Christ we receive His perfection. (Not His maturity, that is still something we have to grow into).

Nobody grows into holiness. But once we are in a holy place we grow into Christ-likeness from there. Like the Promised Land cannot be conquered in the wilderness walk.

What most people do is "bury their talent" and believe the lie that sanctification is a process...thus not obligating them to go to God to receive of HIS fulness.

Romans 7:7–25 unpacks verse 5, and Romans 8:1–17 unpacks verse 6. In verses 7–25 we see how sin via the law brings death to those in the flesh, and in Romans 8:1–17 we see how the Spirit grants life to those who belong to Jesus Christ. Romans 7:5–6 forecasts what Paul is about to say in remarkably clear terms. The Holy Spirit is never mentioned in Romans 7:7–25. But Paul refers to the Spirit 15 times in Romans 8:1–17, suggesting that the person described in Romans 7:7–25 is one who doesn’t have the Spirit in his life. The essence of what it means to be a Christian is to be indwelt with the Spirit (Rom. 8:9). We see in both Romans 7:14 and 7:18 that the one described is of the “flesh,” one who is still in the old Adam, one who is unregenerate.

The total defeat described in Romans 7 contradicts how Paul describes Christian experience in Romans 6 and 8. Paul proclaims in Romans 6 that we’re no longer slaves to sin (6:6), that we’re free from the sin that enslaved us when we were unbelievers (Rom. 6:16–19).

Romans 7- Do you not know, brothers and sisters—for I am speaking to those who know the law—that the law has authority over someone only as long as that person lives? 2 For example, by law a married woman is bound to her husband as long as he is alive, but if her husband dies, she is released from the law that binds her to him. 3 So then, if she has sexual relations with another man while her husband is still alive, she is called an adulteress. But if her husband dies, she is released from that law and is not an adulteress if she marries another man.

4 So, my brothers and sisters, you also died to the law through the body of Christ, that you might belong to another, to him who was raised from the dead, in order that we might bear fruit for God. 5 For when we were in the realm of the flesh, the sinful passions aroused by the law were at work in us, so that we bore fruit for death. 6 But now, by dying to what once bound us, we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code.

7 What shall we say, then? Is the law sinful? Certainly not! Nevertheless, I would not have known what sin was had it not been for the law. For I would not have known what coveting really was if the law had not said, “You shall not covet.” 8 But sin, seizing the opportunity afforded by the commandment, produced in me every kind of coveting. For apart from the law, sin was dead. 9 Once I was alive apart from the law; but when the commandment came, sin sprang to life and I died. 10 I found that the very commandment that was intended to bring life actually brought death. 11 For sin, seizing the opportunity afforded by the commandment, deceived me, and through the commandment put me to death. 12 So then, the law is holy, and the commandment is holy, righteous and good.

13 Did that which is good, then, become death to me? By no means! Nevertheless, in order that sin might be recognized as sin, it used what is good to bring about my death, so that through the commandment sin might become utterly sinful.

14 We know that the law is spiritual; but I am unspiritual, sold as a slave to sin. 15 I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do I do not do, but what I hate I do. 16 And if I do what I do not want to do, I agree that the law is good. 17 As it is, it is no longer I myself who do it, but it is sin living in me. 18 For I know that good itself does not dwell in me, that is, in my sinful nature. For I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out. 19 For I do not do the good I want to do, but the evil I do not want to do—this I keep on doing. 20 Now if I do what I do not want to do, it is no longer I who do it, but it is sin living in me that does it.

21 So I find this law at work: Although I want to do good, evil is right there with me. 22 For in my inner being I delight in God’s law; 23 but I see another law at work in me, waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin at work within me. 24 What a wretched man I am! Who will rescue me from this body that is subject to death? 25 Thanks be to God, who delivers me through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, I myself in my mind am a slave to God’s law, but in my sinful nature a slave to the law of sin.

A number of objections surface against what I’ve said. Let’s look at two of them briefly. First, how does a reference to unbelievers fit with Romans 7:23 (“For I delight in the law of God, in my inner being”)? Doesn’t such delight and longing for God’s law show that a believer is in view? Not necessarily. Many pious Jews loved God’s law and yet didn’t know God. Paul himself testifies that the Jews have a “zeal for God,” though they lacked knowledge (Rom. 10:2). There can be zeal and delight in the law (witness the Pharisees) when one isn’t truly saved.

Second, Paul shifts from past-tense verbs in Romans 7:7–11 to present-tense verbs in verses 14–25. Doesn’t that prove Christians are in view? Not necessarily. Scholars recognize that present tense doesn’t necessarily designate present time. The temporal nature of an action must be discerned from context, since present-tense verbs, even in the indicative, may be used with reference to the past or even the future.

The tense of the verb doesn’t emphasize time in Romans 7:7–25. Rather, the use of the present tense here fits with the state or condition of the person. Paul is emphasizing one’s captivity, subjugation, and impotence under the law. His use of the present tense doesn’t denote past time but highlights in a vivid way the slavery of life under the law.

If I’m right in the way I interpret this passage, the difference between me and those who see this as Christian experience isn’t great. After all, we both agree that believers fall short in numerous ways and that we struggle daily with sin. The reason we differ is that I see Romans 7:13–25 as describing total defeat, and that isn’t our story as Christians since the Holy Spirit also empowers us to live in a new way. Schreiner

hope this helps !!!

 

[Ritajanice]

◄ Hebrews 10:14 ►

Context Crossref Comment Greek Verse (Click for Chapter) New International Version For by one sacrifice he has made perfect forever those who are being made holy. New Living Translation For by that one offering he forever made perfect those who are being made holy. English Standard Version For by a single offering he has perfected for all time those who are being sanctified. Berean Standard Bible because by a single offering He has made perfect for all time those who are being sanctified. Berean Literal Bible For by one offering, He has perfected for all time those being sanctified. King James Bible For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified. New King James Version For by one offering He has perfected forever those who are being sanctified.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

if someone claims they have no sin, they are decieved.

You’re interpretation (which is popular) does harm to many other scriptures.

For instance: DID JESUS SET A TRAP FOR THIS MAN TO BE DECEIVED?:

“…Behold, thou art made whole: sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee.” (John 5:14)

Did Jesus play a crude joke on him secretly knowing that a worse thing would come on him anyways (ha ha wink wink)?

 

[Michiah-Imla]

@Jim B

Since you “Liked” @Eternally Grateful ’s post, perhaps you can answer this question.

DID JESUS SET A TRAP FOR THIS MAN TO BE DECEIVED?:

“…Behold, thou art made whole: sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee.” (John 5:14)

Did Jesus play a crude joke on him secretly knowing that a worse thing would come on him anyways (ha ha wink wink)?

 

[marks]

You’re interpretation (which is popular) does harm to many other scriptures.

For instance: DID JESUS SET A TRAP FOR THIS MAN TO BE DECEIVED?:

“…Behold, thou art made whole: sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee.” (John 5:14)

Did Jesus play a crude joke on him secretly knowing that a worse thing would come on him anyways (ha ha wink wink)?

Not meaning to answer a question with a question, just the same, Was God setting a trap for Adam?

Or does God tell us the thing that is good even knowing what will or won't happen?

Much love!

 

[Laurina]

Now you know how, and you can see his posts on the topic. There are more than one, I suggest taking in several.

And then you can determine whether your outrage was misplaced or not.

Much love!

Yeah, I'm still reading through the threads....I got though 3 of them last night, but there is still a 64 page thread that I haven't started yet. It takes time!!
From what I did read I didn't have a problem with what he said, but I did have a problem with some responses that others made....and the conclusions that some arrive at seem out to lunch!! I'm flabbergasted actually!! My conclusion is that people have preconceived ideas of what Episkopos is saying, some completely twist his words, and they just don't like what he says, but they are not understanding him.

I'm actually sickened by what this thread has become, so I think I'll go read that 64 page thread, and then continue reading Brengle, check out Jessie Penn Lewis again and Smith Wigglesworth....they all walked in and testify of the power of the Spirit, as Epi testified of...There's not a whole lot of love being shown, as in "you'll know them by their love". It actually makes me sick to see/read the bickering going on. How is that not grieving the Spirit you speak about having received?? It makes me very sad and discouraged. I need to seek God, cry out to Him and if He leads me back here, fine, otherwise don't count on seeing me around.

a very discouraged seeker

 

[Episkopos]

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◄ Hebrews 10:14 ►

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Context Crossref Comment Greek Verse (Click for Chapter) New International Version For by one sacrifice he has made perfect forever those who are being made holy. New Living Translation For by that one offering he forever made perfect those who are being made holy. English Standard Version For by a single offering he has perfected for all time those who are being sanctified. Berean Standard Bible because by a single offering He has made perfect for all time those who are being sanctified. Berean Literal Bible For by one offering, He has perfected for all time those being sanctified. King James Bible For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified. New King James Version For by one offering He has perfected forever those who are being sanctified.

These translations ...all translations...tend to be limited to the interpretation of the translators. If you want to trust that you understand what is being said...fine. Enjoy the interpretation.

But there is some errors therein.

1. "Has perfected forever" is not supported elsewhere...where one needs to work out ones own salvation...etc. So then no one becomes perfected instantly...UNLESS...the author is speaking of a LOCATION where perfection already exists.

What does it say in the Greek...it says "INTO forever" or "into eternity".

So this is about location, location, location. Holiness is about location...to be where Jesus is, in His abiding place with the Father.

2. the "being sanctified" is also wrong. That is assuming that sanctification is a process based on time rather than location. The Greek is in present tense meaning that are "NOW sanctified." ...them that are sanctified.

So then the one who are holy (sanctified) have been translated into the kingdom of God where the perfection of Christ is found...to walk as Jesus walked.

If anyone wants to not understand...outer darkness needs people too.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

Was God setting a trap for Adam?

No.

Eve fell into a trap by Satan.

Or does God tell us the thing that is good even knowing what will or won't happen?

If God tells us to do something we should do it at any cost (Luke 14:33).

There were very severe consequences to Israel for disobedience and we should heed those things and set our hearts to the will of God. Every man has that choice to make (God just knows which ones won’t).

 

[Episkopos]

Yeah, I'm still reading through the threads....I got though 3 of them last night, but there is still a 64 page thread that I haven't started yet. It takes time!!
From what I did read I didn't have a problem with what he said, but I did have a problem with some responses that others made....and the conclusions that some arrive at seem out to lunch!! I'm flabbergasted actually!! My conclusion is that people have preconceived ideas of what Episkopos is saying, some completely twist his words, and they just don't like what he says, but they are not understanding him.

I'm actually sickened by what this thread has become, so I think I'll go read that 64 page thread, and then continue reading Brengle, check out Jessie Penn Lewis again and Smith Wigglesworth....they all walked in and testify of the power of the Spirit, as Epi testified of...There's not a whole lot of love being shown, as in "you'll know them by their love". It actually makes me sick to see/read the bickering going on. How is that not grieving the Spirit you speak about having received?? It makes me very sad and discouraged. I need to seek God, cry out to Him and if He leads me back here, fine, otherwise don't count on seeing me around.

a very discouraged seeker

Don't be discouraged. The outer man is basically Cain...and he is always trying to kill Abel. Allow your own outer man to be attenuated...but have courage in the inner man...and turn to God with that in mind. No need to see the terrible condition of those who have been brainwashed into limiting God for the sake of self-interest.

 

[Laurina]

Don't be discouraged. The outer man is basically Cain...and he is always trying to kill Abel. Allow your own outer man to be attenuated...but have courage in the inner man...and turn to God with that in mind. No need to see the terrible condition of those who have been brainwashed into limiting God for the sake of self-interest.

Thank-you, Epi. May God bless you!

 

[Ritajanice]

These translations ...all translations...tend to be limited to the interpretation of the translators. If you want to trust that you understand what is being said...fine. Enjoy the interpretation.

Thank you and yes, I most definitely believe I understand the translation and agree that we are being sanctified and being made into the image of Jesus daily, it doesn’t happen overnight, it’s a process, that only the Holy Spirit can do.

That’s what I believe at this present moment in time.....unless of course the Holy Spirit shows me that I’m in error....I can’t see it changing though, as I’ve believed this for years.

We are constantly being made into the image of God’s glorious Son,Lord Jesus.

 

[marks]

I'm actually sickened by what this thread has become, so I think I'll go read that 64 page thread, and then continue reading Brengle, check out Jessie Penn Lewis again and Smith Wigglesworth....they all walked in and testify of the power of the Spirit, as Epi testified of...There's not a whole lot of love being shown, as in "you'll know them by their love". It actually makes me sick to see/read the bickering going on. How is that not grieving the Spirit you speak about having received?? It makes me very sad and discouraged. I need to seek God, cry out to Him and if He leads me back here, fine, otherwise don't count on seeing me around.

I pray that God will reveal to you His will in this!

I've been heartsick as well over what happens in some of these threads.

Much love!