Born again = Righteous

[Behold]

Just as Christ is made sin, or a sinner, by the imputation of the sins of others to him

Christ died with our sin ON Him, but no sin was ever found IN HIm.
He was not judged for His sin, He was a body being slain (judged) for ours.

So, Jesus was never a sinner.
He is The sin bearer.

The 2 criminals who were crucified next to Jesus, had sin in them, as they were Adamic.
Jesus has their sin, On Him, but not in Him, as He is not of the Adamic nature, as God is His Father.

 

[Ritajanice]

◄ 1 John 2:2 ►

Context Crossref Comment Greek Verse (Click for Chapter) New International Version He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world. New Living Translation He himself is the sacrifice that atones for our sins—and not only our sins but the sins of all the world.

 

[Phoneman777]

Reader,

You can't become a "new Creation in Christ" , Born again, without becoming "the righteousness of God in Christ".

Salvation is to become joined to God's Spirit, by Spiritual Birth......not by water baptism.

Your mind however, is going to try to bring you back to the "old man".
And if it does, you'll doubt your salvation, and you wont understand ..."God hath made Jesus to be sin for us"...... which will lead you to trying to confess sin, so that you can keep yourself saved.

Once you are doing that, then your faith in Christ is broken, because you are "fallen from Grace".

Yes, obedience to God's law is the outward evidence we're inwardly a "new creature in Christ" and "born again" which is the result of our faith.

There are many who claim to be a new creature and are born again, but they refuse to surrender to God's law (Romans 8:7 KJV) and view His commandments as grievous (1 John 5:3 KJV) - by this they demonstrate they are going to hell, no matter what they profess by mouth.

 

[Jim B]

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◄ 1 John 2:2 ►

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Context Crossref Comment Greek Verse (Click for Chapter) New International Version He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world. New Living Translation He himself is the sacrifice that atones for our sins—and not only our sins but the sins of all the world.

And ..? What is your point?

Here is that verse in context: "My little children, I am writing these things to you so that you may not sin. But if anyone does sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous, and he is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the sins of the whole world." 1 John 2:1-2, NRSVue

 

[Behold]

Yes, obedience to God's law

"Christ has redeemed us from the CURSE of the LAW".

"The Law is the power of sin", the Power of SIN.... is the law" = "the CURSE"

The Born again are "Not under the LAW....but under Grace".

"Christ is the END OF THE LAW......for righteousness, for everyone who BELIEVES". (born again)

 

[Behold]

but they refuse to surrender to God's law

"Christ has redeemed us from the CURSE of the LAW".

"The Law is the power of sin", the Power of SIN.... is the law" = "the CURSE"

The Born again are "Not under the LAW....but under Grace".

"Christ is the END OF THE LAW......for righteousness, for everyone who BELIEVES". (born again)

 

[Ritajanice]

And ..? What is your point?

Ephesians 3:14-21

New International Version

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A Prayer for the Ephesians​

14 For this reason I kneel before the Father, 15 from whom every family[a] in heaven and on earth derives its name. 16 I pray that out of his glorious riches he may strengthen you with power through his Spirit in your inner being, 17 so that Christ may dwell in your hearts through faith. And I pray that you, being rooted and established in love, 18 may have power, together with all the Lord’s holy people, to grasp how wide and long and high and deep is the love of Christ, 19 and to know this love that surpasses knowledge—that you may be filled to the measure of all the fullness of God.
20 Now to him who is able to do immeasurably more than all we ask or imagine, according to his power that is at work within us, 21 to him be glory in the church and in Christ Jesus throughout all generations, for ever and ever! Amen.

 

[Johann]

Christ died with our sin ON Him, but no sin was ever found IN HIm.
He was not judged for His sin, He was a body being slain (judged) for ours.

So, Jesus was never a sinner.
He is The sin bearer.

The 2 criminals who were crucified next to Jesus, had sin in them, as they were Adamic.
Jesus has their sin, On Him, but not in Him, as He is not of the Adamic nature, as God is His Father.

I don't, for one moment claim Jesus "Became" an Asham offering-thus sin, but you will be surprised how many here do believe Jesus became sin in a literal sense brother.
Shalom to you and family-are you OK?

 

[Johann]

The born again Spirit, is the "Son/Daughter" of God.

This is SInless, "made righteous"... "One with God".

That's the real you, if you are born again, and one day you'll get a new body that is designed for the real you who is the BORN AGAIN Spirit.

The "self" you keep referring to is your THINKING.
That's not born again, so you have to renew your THINKING......(mind) so that you see yourself as the Born again, only, because this is the only YOU that God sees.

Understood-and we are to crucify the flesh and the behests of the flesh.
Shalom @Behold

 

[Johann]

There are many who claim to be a new creature and are born again, but they refuse to surrender to God's law (Romans 8:7 KJV) and view His commandments as grievous (1 John 5:3 KJV) - by this they demonstrate they are going to hell, no matter what they profess by mouth.

Amen-there are over 1000 Imperatives recorded in Scriptures, I get the impression that some here think born again is all that is important, and can sit with their arms folded-no need to be a doer of God's word-"let's talk the walk but not walk the talk"

Starting to appreciate your biblical viewpoint.

 

[Johann]

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◄ 1 John 2:2 ►

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Context Crossref Comment Greek Verse (Click for Chapter) New International Version He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world. New Living Translation He himself is the sacrifice that atones for our sins—and not only our sins but the sins of all the world.

The Asham offering.

 

[Behold]

Understood-and we are to crucify the flesh and the behests of the flesh.
Shalom @Behold

You can't crucify it.
You have to "reckon it dead".

See, if you are trying to crucify it, you are allowing it to live.
Instead what we do is recognize that "the old man of sin" "IS Crucified with Christ".

We can't DO that.....we have to believe that and in this right faith, is how its done.

Christianity is all about not seeing what we believe.
Its all faith based, as then, God steps in...with GRACE.
When we are trying to keep this, and confess that, and do do do....then God is set aside, because self righteousness is trying to do God's work.

This is why Jesus says...>"apart from me, you can do nothing".

"apart from me" means..... that the believer is trying to strive to do only what the Grace of God has already provided.

 

[Behold]

I don't, for one moment claim Jesus "Became" an Asham offering-thus sin, but you will be surprised how many here do believe Jesus became sin in a literal sense brother.
Shalom to you and family-are you OK?

We are good.
thank you.

Shalom,Shalom

 

[Johann]

You can't crucify it.
You have to "reckon it dead".

See, if you are trying to crucify it, you are allowing it to live.
Instead what we do is recognize that "the old man of sin" "IS Crucified with Christ".

We can't DO that.....we have to believe that and in this right faith, is how its done.

Christianity is all about not seeing what we believe.
Its all faith based, as then, God steps in...with GRACE.
When we are trying to keep this, and confess that, and do do do....then God is set aside, because self righteousness is trying to do God's work.

This is why Jesus says...>"apart from me, you can do nothing".

"apart from me" means..... that the believer is trying to strive to do only what the Grace of God has already provided.

Would kindly disagree with you--

Gal 5:24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.

Crucified the flesh (tēn sarka estaurōsan). Definite event, first aorist active indicative of stauroō as in Gal_2:19 (mystical union with Christ). Paul uses sarx here in the same sense as in Gal_5:16, Gal_5:17, Gal_5:19, “the force in men that makes for evil” (Burton).
With (sun). “Together with,” emphasizing “the completeness of the extermination of this evil force” and the guarantee of victory over one’s passions and dispositions toward evil.

2) "Have crucified the flesh," (ten sarka estaurosan) "They (have) crucified the flesh;” Gal_2:20; Gal_6:14; nailed the old nature to the cross, to live no more with its cravings and wills, to dominate actions of life, 1Co_10:31; Rom_6:6; Rom_8:13.

3) "With the affections and lusts," (sun tois pathemasin kai tais epithumiais) "In affinity with its passions and lusts," or "in close colleague with its passions and lusts," Rom_13:14; Every lust is to be kept under subjection, or restraint, by each saint committed to follow Jesus, Mar_8:34; Gal_5:23; Rom_6:18-19; 1Co_9:27.


The concept of crucifying the flesh comes from the apostle Paul’s words in Galatians 5:24: “Those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires.” In this verse, it’s clear that crucifying the flesh is not something done to the believer, but by the believer: “Those who belong to Christ have crucified the flesh.”

The “flesh” that must be crucified is the sin principle that exists in our fallen human nature. In this world we live in fleshly bodies, and the body, being weak (Mark 14:38), is the gateway to sin. Our bodies, though not sinful in themselves, naturally crave comfort and pleasure, and they too often succumb to temptation, producing the works of the flesh (Galatians 5:19–21). Sin entrenches itself in the flesh, which becomes dominated by iniquity of all kinds. It is the sinful passions and wayward deeds of the flesh that Christians must crucify.

In other places, Paul speaks of a crucifixion that happens to the believer through his or her union with Jesus Christ: “I have been crucified with Christ and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me” (Galatians 2:20; see also Romans 6:6). But in Galatians 5:24, it is the believer who has taken action. Crucify the flesh describes a deliberate putting to death of the old sin nature.

Paul’s instruction was inspired by Jesus Christ Himself, who said, “If anyone wants to follow after me, let him deny himself, take up his cross, and follow me” (Mark 8:34, CSB).

Take up the cross is a figure of speech closely related to crucify the flesh. Believers are to behave like a person carrying his own cross to the place of his execution. Paul follows the Lord’s words to their logical conclusion. Not only must believers pick up and carry their cross, but they must also make sure their death sentence gets carried out. Crucifying the flesh illustrates the putting to death of selfish, sinful desires.

Believers are to take their old sin nature and, figuratively speaking, nail it to the cross. We crucify the flesh through repentance of sin—by turning our backs on the old way of life, by saying no to selfish and sinful passions, and by utterly renouncing the flesh: “Do not let any part of your body become an instrument of evil to serve sin. Instead, give yourselves completely to God, for you were dead, but now you have new life. So use your whole body as an instrument to do what is right for the glory of God” (Romans 6:13, NLT).




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Most Relevant Verses
Matthew 16:24
Verse Concepts
Then Jesus said to His disciples, “If anyone wishes to come after Me, he must deny himself, and take up his cross and follow Me.

Mark 8:34
Verse Concepts
And He summoned the crowd with His disciples, and said to them, “If anyone wishes to come after Me, he must deny himself, and take up his cross and follow Me.


Luke 9:23
Verse Concepts
And He was saying to them all, “If anyone wishes to come after Me, he must deny himself, and take up his cross daily and follow Me.


Romans 6:6
Verse Concepts
knowing this, that our old self was crucified with Him, in order that our body of sin might be done away with, so that we would no longer be slaves to sin;

Galatians 5:24
Verse Concepts
Now those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires.

Ephesians 4:22
Verse Concepts
that, in reference to your former manner of life, you lay aside the old self, which is being corrupted in accordance with the lusts of deceit,

Colossians 3:5
Verse Concepts
Therefore consider the members of your earthly body as dead to immorality, impurity, passion, evil desire, and greed, which amounts to idolatry.

There are many Imperatives, Middle and Passive Voices and Aorist's recorded in Scriptures-where the onus is on US to logizomai the body as dead, crucified.

I have given you 3 Scripture references where the necessity is on US to-?

Not here to correct you my brother, it is me that stand in need of correction.

 

[Behold]

Would kindly disagree with you--

Gal 5:24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.

= "are Christ's".......... this means the person is "in Christ".

Its not by doing, its by BEING Christ's that the lusts are crucified.

So what is the "flesh" that is the affections and lusts?

= That is the "old man of sin".

So, when you are "in Christ", the old man of Sin, is "crucified with Christ'..
You dont do what is done already.

He's DEAD.

= "have crucified the flesh"...."the old man". "Have"..... not..."still trying".... as this is a finished situation, that is to have become who you are now as a "new creation".

This is the result of "being now made free from sin". because you "are Christ's".


So once again, this is the spiritual result of the Cross and of becoming a new Creation.

To become a new creation, you are no longer the old one, which means the old man, the lusts, the affections are gone.

But a struggling believer's fleshly mind, says...."no, that can't be true as im sitting here wanting to get high, get drunk, watch porn, and have sex with my neighbors wife".

See that?
That is THE MIND, that is not the real you......That is the OLD MAN that is CRUCIFIED, but not yet "reckoned dead".
This is a believer who is trying to FIGHT The Flesh, instead of seeing the old man as "crucified" and powerless.

Fighting the flesh, empowers it.
Trying to do right, or trying not to think about sin, causes it.....so that is how NOT to find deliverance.
Instead you have to come to believe that you are the "righteousness of God" and put on that mind.
That is the HELMET of Salvation.
So, you have to not fight the flesh....., but rather understand its "crucified".
That is a different MIND......the renewed mind.

This is why Paul says to "reckon" the old man dead, not to resist him.

Your mind, is unable to stop thinking about sin, unless you put on the understanding of being " NOW being made free from sin".
"Im the righteousness of God in Christ".

You don't resist sin, you believe beyond it as the right mind, the renewed mind.
You can't turn off the mind, you have to change the way you think... the way you understand the finished work of Jesus that has dealt with your sin.

You have to literally believe that you are the "righteousness of God in Christ"., no matter how you think or feel., as that is just THINKING.
Its meaningless, as the REALITY is what God has caused you to become.
THat's the TRUTH, .. that's the RIGHT MIND.
That's the Helmet of Salvation.

 

[amigo de christo]

Would kindly disagree with you--

Gal 5:24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.

Crucified the flesh (tēn sarka estaurōsan). Definite event, first aorist active indicative of stauroō as in Gal_2:19 (mystical union with Christ). Paul uses sarx here in the same sense as in Gal_5:16, Gal_5:17, Gal_5:19, “the force in men that makes for evil” (Burton).
With (sun). “Together with,” emphasizing “the completeness of the extermination of this evil force” and the guarantee of victory over one’s passions and dispositions toward evil.

2) "Have crucified the flesh," (ten sarka estaurosan) "They (have) crucified the flesh;” Gal_2:20; Gal_6:14; nailed the old nature to the cross, to live no more with its cravings and wills, to dominate actions of life, 1Co_10:31; Rom_6:6; Rom_8:13.

3) "With the affections and lusts," (sun tois pathemasin kai tais epithumiais) "In affinity with its passions and lusts," or "in close colleague with its passions and lusts," Rom_13:14; Every lust is to be kept under subjection, or restraint, by each saint committed to follow Jesus, Mar_8:34; Gal_5:23; Rom_6:18-19; 1Co_9:27.


The concept of crucifying the flesh comes from the apostle Paul’s words in Galatians 5:24: “Those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires.” In this verse, it’s clear that crucifying the flesh is not something done to the believer, but by the believer: “Those who belong to Christ have crucified the flesh.”

The “flesh” that must be crucified is the sin principle that exists in our fallen human nature. In this world we live in fleshly bodies, and the body, being weak (Mark 14:38), is the gateway to sin. Our bodies, though not sinful in themselves, naturally crave comfort and pleasure, and they too often succumb to temptation, producing the works of the flesh (Galatians 5:19–21). Sin entrenches itself in the flesh, which becomes dominated by iniquity of all kinds. It is the sinful passions and wayward deeds of the flesh that Christians must crucify.

In other places, Paul speaks of a crucifixion that happens to the believer through his or her union with Jesus Christ: “I have been crucified with Christ and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me” (Galatians 2:20; see also Romans 6:6). But in Galatians 5:24, it is the believer who has taken action. Crucify the flesh describes a deliberate putting to death of the old sin nature.

Paul’s instruction was inspired by Jesus Christ Himself, who said, “If anyone wants to follow after me, let him deny himself, take up his cross, and follow me” (Mark 8:34, CSB).

Take up the cross is a figure of speech closely related to crucify the flesh. Believers are to behave like a person carrying his own cross to the place of his execution. Paul follows the Lord’s words to their logical conclusion. Not only must believers pick up and carry their cross, but they must also make sure their death sentence gets carried out. Crucifying the flesh illustrates the putting to death of selfish, sinful desires.

Believers are to take their old sin nature and, figuratively speaking, nail it to the cross. We crucify the flesh through repentance of sin—by turning our backs on the old way of life, by saying no to selfish and sinful passions, and by utterly renouncing the flesh: “Do not let any part of your body become an instrument of evil to serve sin. Instead, give yourselves completely to God, for you were dead, but now you have new life. So use your whole body as an instrument to do what is right for the glory of God” (Romans 6:13, NLT).




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Most Relevant Verses
Matthew 16:24
Verse Concepts
Then Jesus said to His disciples, “If anyone wishes to come after Me, he must deny himself, and take up his cross and follow Me.

Mark 8:34
Verse Concepts
And He summoned the crowd with His disciples, and said to them, “If anyone wishes to come after Me, he must deny himself, and take up his cross and follow Me.


Luke 9:23
Verse Concepts
And He was saying to them all, “If anyone wishes to come after Me, he must deny himself, and take up his cross daily and follow Me.


Romans 6:6
Verse Concepts
knowing this, that our old self was crucified with Him, in order that our body of sin might be done away with, so that we would no longer be slaves to sin;

Galatians 5:24
Verse Concepts
Now those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires.

Ephesians 4:22
Verse Concepts
that, in reference to your former manner of life, you lay aside the old self, which is being corrupted in accordance with the lusts of deceit,

Colossians 3:5
Verse Concepts
Therefore consider the members of your earthly body as dead to immorality, impurity, passion, evil desire, and greed, which amounts to idolatry.

There are many Imperatives, Middle and Passive Voices and Aorist's recorded in Scriptures-where the onus is on US to logizomai the body as dead, crucified.

I have given you 3 Scripture references where the necessity is on US to-?

Not here to correct you my brother, it is me that stand in need of correction.

We must Indeed HEED the SPIRIT and not the flesh . Yep . That is right . For those who are truly born again
Have the SPIRIT . a new heart has been given . and when the flesh rises up the SPIRIT always reminds them and they see
the lust as EVIL . A lamb must heed the SPIRIT and not the flesh . and these two are contrary the one to the other .
How do we crucify the flesh . FOLLOW , HEED THE SPIRIT and ye will not fullfill the lusts of the flesh .
Yes indeed my friend . and we are to continously , as did paul and others , remind and stir one another up
with all pure and holy reminders . Like this one . ABSTAIN from all appearance of evil .
Its all a work of the SPIRIT through the body . Every Word of GOD is pure , holy and true .
And the SPIRIT puts a LOVE FOR HIM , Upon our hearts .

 

[Ezra]

can you give me a definition of salvation?

my sins are gone i been set free i have grace

 

[Ezra]

Do this passage teach sinless-ness-sinless perfectionism?

only after this life on earth is over and we are in heaven

 

[Behold]

We crucify the flesh through repentance of sin

If you are repenting, the your flesh is not crucified., its alive and kicking. Its running your mind.

If its Crucified, you are like this.

"Christ always Gives me the Victory". ... over the world, the flesh, and the devil.

 

[Ezra]

Why on earth are folkings running back to unity with the RCC

i dont know who is running back to it.. but you ask why? its easy go through a ceremony pray to Mary to intercede for you . purgatory where you can be prayed out of it kiss the popes hand . it has new agers beat with a big stick