Entire Sanctification = "In Christ"

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I simply love you brother, you really perk me up!
Johann.

Absolutely correct there brother.

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Part of Speech: Verb
Tense: Present
Voice: Passive
Mood: iMperative
Person: second [you+]
Number: Plural

However, you did notice the Imperatives in this verse?

Romans 12:1-2 KJV
1) I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.
2) And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

Yes, I do! And like you said . . . daily to do these!

Much love!

 

[Johann]

Romans 12:1-2 KJV
1) I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.
2) And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

Yes, I do! And like you said . . . daily to do these!

Much love!

And here I was told it has nothing to do with US [with the enabling of the Spirit] in our covenantal relationship with our risen Christ Jesus.
Going at a snail's pace-will catch up later brother.
Johann.

 

[Marvelloustime]

No i am not paul . but rest assured had i been in his time and the churches
HE would have been writing to me as he was to them . REMINDING THEM to rebuke those who do sin
that others may fear . SO yeah , I know i aint paul . BUT we were supposed to have matured
up and help the church pard . Correction is not sin . to expose error and sin within brethren is NOT SIN .
To rebuke is not sin . To even cast out is not SIN . WE MUST DO as THEY TAUGHT US TO DO .
NEVER forget that . OH wait , you already have . I read one of your posts and how you view the bible .
SHOULD NEVER have went down that road mathew . BUT , i came not to condemn you ,
thus i am here to correct you and that mindset you seem to have about the bible . SEE
i aint condeming you or i would have said , TOO LATE FOR YOU MATHEW BURN
BUT i simply said REPENT OF IT . see the difference . correction IS GOOD and its needful for us all .
That we do take heed to THE WORDS of THE ONLY HOLY GOD and HIS CHRIST and HIS BOOK known as the bible .

 

[Marvelloustime]

OBEY THE SPIRIT . And heed not the flesh . Now lift those hands up and let all that draws breath praise n thank the LORD .

 

[Marvelloustime]

The motive is always the same . Many folks no longer want to hear the grave simple truth on how
Christ and the apostels delivered things .
An example is , PAUL once wrote let all who name the name of Christ depart from inquity .
today if one even tries to remind them of this , the accusations begin like , OH SO YOU NEVER ER ONCE .
Instead of heeding the warning they had rather feel more comfortable in what their leaders have taught them .
WHEN JESUS said Now go and sin no more . Today if we repeat that , AGAIN the same answer is , OH SO YOU NEVER ER ONCE .
They need to feel comfortable and any reminders of the truth TROUBLES THEM and thus to feel comfortable
they resort back to , OH SO YOU NEVER ERRED once . Do notice they cant BRING DOCTRINE TO CORRECT YOU .
ITS only OH SO YOU THINK YOU HOLY , YOU NEVER ERR . Ever wonder what they would have TOLD JESUS or the apostels
WHO ALSO said the same things concerning sin and error . THEY WOULD have accused CHRIST
and the apostels and said things like OH , SO YOU NEVER ERR . SEE THE PROBLEM . INSTEAD of heeding the warning
they go after the warner who is simply repeating THE WARNING .

 

[Behold]

I'll take that as a "no." You have no business, then, speaking "authoritatively" on the "Greek" Bible. L

Sure i do.
Im seminary trained and have training in manuscript evidence.
This is why i can tell people like you, who can't read any Greek, but want to pretend you are the "Greek text" authority, that the BIBLE is the place you need to stay.
There is nothing worse then a bible corrector, like you, who can't read Greek, who pretends to be an authority over the word of God.

Get out of that mind.
That's a dark place to be, Randy.

 

[Behold]

Always trying to be better, brother. You'll be better if you stop bragging so much.... Let your knowledge shine through your comments--you won't need to list your accomplishments, unless of course they bear on the subject.

Listen, whiner.

if reading what i write makes you that upset, then read someone else.
No one is forcing you to be on my Threads.
TURN THE CHANNEL if you dont like the PROGRAM.

See, Im here to love, to teach, to help., and to expose.
All of this.
And part of that is some personal Bio, so that the person who finds me, here, or in a church, or on another forum, can understand that i didnt spend my life doing nothing that matters. I was living life, before i was called to teach and evangelize.
I've had 4 careers, business, and played music, taught music, traveled both sides of this world, ... i even have a home on both sides of this world..
I also do 2 other things on a professional level, which is Photography and selling Audiophile Headphone gear, ....so, its good that the reader, the person who finds my Hundreds of Threads, and Thousands of Posts, feels that they are talking to and learning from someone who didnt sit at home, all their life.
I
One of the brother's here, Johann, ... He's a gym rat. And me too. We both LIFT for LIFE... Im literally typing this to you in pain, because i hurt my shoulder months ago using 60lb DumbBells, per hand. Thats 120LBS, (54.4 Kilos) of weight, and i hurt myself. Not the first time...., Randy.
Im use to the weight, but, its a lot of weight and sometimes you get a ding when you power lift. It happens.
The healing hurts, because its so slow... but here i am. Hurting and dealing with a annoying person.

So, for me that is years in the gym.
Also, At one point in my life i was teaching Nutrition..

So, if i tell you what ive done, or am doing...... that is just my personal history, .. that is not boasting....Its just my reality. Its my Life.
Its my reality that ive written 5 CD's of Music. Its my reality that ive worked in Christian Radio.
And so, im a very well rounded person, because ive done a lot... ive lived....Ive seen a lot. Ive seen miracles from God happen right in front of my eyes, in the daytime.

So, all these decades of REAL LIVING, of accomplishments, and discipline, and suffering.... help me to have wisdom, as well as spirituality.

Its a good thing to find out that your TEACHER is not some sit at home, cell phone addict, who's addicted to Facebook, and cant explain to you why the Vulgate is junk and the Textus Receptus is the Gold Standard.
You dont want to be Taught by someone who can't even write a Thread unless the cut and paste other people's material.
You've seen my Threads.
I wrote them all. Not one sentence is cut and paste. Every Thread, every Post, comes from MY MIND, MY SPRIIT.
I dont have to play like im a teacher and use other people's material, Randy.
Im the real deal, im proven, ... just look on this Forum., and that's not a boast... That's a fact.

 

[Johann]

One of the brother's here, Johann, ... He's a gym rat. And me too. We both LIFT for LIFE... Im literally trying this to you in pain, because i hurt my shoulder months ago using 60lb DumbBells, per hand. Thats 120LBS, (54.4 Kilos) of weight, and i hurt myself. Not the first time...., Randy.
Im use to the weight, but, its a lot of weight and sometimes you get a ding when you power lift. It happens.
The healing hurts, because its so slow... but here i am. Hurting and dealing with a annoying person.

How's the shoulder? I tried power benching yesterday and might have a cracked rib-I have been gymning for years, in my blood, with many scars, resulting in either overtraining or ego lifting.
Shalom

 

[Randy Kluth]

Sure i do.
Im seminary trained and have training in manuscript evidence.
This is why i can tell people like you, who can't read any Greek, but want to pretend you are the "Greek text" authority, that the BIBLE is the place you need to stay.
There is nothing worse then a bible corrector, like you, who can't read Greek, who pretends to be an authority over the word of God.

Get out of that mind.
That's a dark place to be, Randy.

I never pretended to be able to read Greek. Anybody can take a course in Greek--I did. Can you do translation work? It seems not--you've had "training in manuscript evidence." Again, can you translate either Hebrew or Greek? Apparently not. The best you can do is attack me for claiming something I never claimed.

 

[Randy Kluth]

Listen, whiner.

if reading what i write makes you that upset, then read someone else.
No one is forcing you to be on my Threads.
TURN THE CHANNEL if you dont like the PROGRAM.

See, Im here to love

Define Christian "love" for me?

I'm not here to "turn the TV on to be entertained." I'm here to share what knowledge I have to hopefully keep things properly tuned to the word of God. I'm not here to be friends with you, though that would be preferred. My interest is in preserving the truth, whether that challenges something you've said publicly or something I've said publicly. If the statements are made on a public forum, then it helps to remedy problems that I see, in case I'm right that things need correcting.

Your attack upon what I perceive to be legitimate versions of the Bible threaten a lot of ministry those Bibles offer people. Of course, you're entitled to your opinion. But you don't own your threads--a public statement invites a public response, unless you feel starting a thread gives you the right to free, unmolested propaganda pretending to be "truth?"

So, for me that is years in the gym.
Also, At one point in my life i was teaching Nutrition..

And all this is relevant how?

Its a good thing to find out that your TEACHER is not some sit at home, cell phone addict, who's addicted to Facebook, and cant explain to you why the Vulgate is junk and the Textus Receptus is the Gold Standard.

I wasn't arguing for a Latin translation! My understanding is that Erasmus was trying to update the Latin Vulgate, and produce a 1st printed Greek translation. My understanding is that Erasmus made *numerous errors* in his translation, and utilized limited manuscript sources.

 

[Randy Kluth]

I actually dont misrepresent you, or anyone.
I post what you wrote, and then i respond to it.

Now, when i wrote my post that stated that the NIV, denies that there is a difference between God's Holy Spirit, and all others........
The NIV says..>"GOD is Spirit".

You then ran in here with this..
I'll quote you.

You said..

More precisely, “God is Spirit”

So, you stated the NIV verse....... and now you have posted again... and changed that to.... "God is A Spirit"........You corrected your own post, while also saying that i misrepresent you.

But i didnt.
I posted what you wrote, that you have now changed while accusing me falsely, again.

You are completely missing the argument. Saying "God is spirit," or "God is a spirit," is just describing His essence as compared to the material world we live in. It is *not* saying all "spirits" are the same simply because their essence is "spirit."

If this is your basis for rejecting modern Bible versions, nobody should take your criticism seriously. God is obviously a "spirit" with different attributes than created spirits. He is an omnipotent, omnipresent spirit, which obviously differs from limited, created spirits.

Describing His essence, therefore, is the proper way to say it and to translate it--it has nothing to do with confusing His divine attributes with the attributes of created beings simply because the word "spirit" is used.

 

[Behold]

I never pretended to be able to read Greek. Anybody can take a course in Greek--I did.

You keep implying.
Is that your ministry? To find someone who can teach or preach, and imply the can't?

You need to get over your self = issue.


Also, taking a course in greek, is like taking a week of learning how to be a brain surgeon.
You, nor anyone is qualified to be a "bible corrector", even if you were fluent in speaking and reading Koine Greek.
You are not fluent, you might be able to sort of read some of it.
But what you do, is read the Translation, and then that becomes your exegesis.

You can't kid me, Randy, but these others, who dont have years of dealing with fakirs, and pretenders, .. they can't see the signs.
But i see them clearly.
So, you can continue to rave on, but its a dead end.

Let me prove to you that you dont know anything about the Blood Atonement.

Just answer this..

"why is it that the believer is always born again, always saved, no matter how they behave or what they do"..

Explain that one Mr self saver, Mr Legalist.
Good luck.

 

[Behold]

Define Christian "love" for me?

I'm not here to "turn the TV on to be entertained." I'm here to share what knowledge I have

Christian Love.

1 Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not acharity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.

2 And though I have the gift of aprophecy, and understand all bmysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing.

3 And though I bestow all my goods to feed the apoor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not charity, it profiteth me nothing.

4 aCharity bsuffereth long, and is ckind; charity denvieth not; charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up,

5 Doth not behave itself aunseemly, bseeketh not her own, is not easily cprovoked, thinketh no evil;

6 Rejoiceth not in ainiquity, but rejoiceth in the btruth;

7 Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things.

8 Charity never faileth

 

[Behold]

I'm here to share what knowledge I have

Your are here to rant what your denomination teaches.
That is your end product, your theology, your belief system.
Nothing else.
Believe it.
Its a fact.

 

[Behold]

D My understanding is that Erasmus made *numerous errors* in his translation, and utilized limited manuscript sources.

Your understanding, is that you didnt get those Ideas from God.

You read some commentary, or word study, or heard some deceived KJV hater, tell you..."that KJV is full of errors"....>"Try this NIV that denies the Deity of Christ and proclaims that God's Holy Spirit is no different then the Un-Holy Spirit in the Devil.

And you said...>"oh ok, now, let me go and tell everyone, as now im a Greek specialist and the authority on BIBLES".

And here you are..... just like the rest of that deceived group.

 

[Randy Kluth]

You keep implying.
Is that your ministry? To find someone who can teach or preach, and imply the can't?

You need to get over your self = issue.


Also, taking a course in greek, is like taking a week of learning how to be a brain surgeon.
You, nor anyone is qualified to be a "bible corrector", even if you were fluent in speaking and reading Koine Greek.
You are not fluent, you might be able to sort of read some of it.
But what you do, is read the Translation, and then that becomes your exegesis.

You can't kid me, Randy, but these others, who dont have years of dealing with fakirs, and pretenders, .. they can't see the signs.
But i see them clearly.
So, you can continue to rave on, but its a dead end.

You continue to divert away from your apparent lack of translation ability to attack me for claiming to be something I never claimed to be! As I said before, I go to my brother for help on translation matters. And he is extremely humble about his own limitations, even though he does work translating these languages for his own interests.

Let me prove to you that you dont know anything about the Blood Atonement.

Just answer this..

"why is it that the believer is always born again, always saved, no matter how they behave or what they do"..

Explain that one Mr self saver, Mr Legalist.
Good luck.

Now you've diverted to a completely different subject. I was referring to your attack on modern Bible versions. I defend them because I use them and believe they help many Christians. If you wish to start a discussion on the Atonement of Christ, start a new thread.

 

[Randy Kluth]

Your understanding, is that you didnt get those Idea from God.

You read some commentary, or word study, or heard some deceived KJV hater, tell you..."that KJV is full of errors"....>"Try this NIV that denies the Deity of Christ and proclaims that God's Holy Spirit is no different the the Un-Holy Spirit in the Devil.

And you said...>"oh ok, now, let me go and tell everyone, as not im a Greek specialist".

And here you are..... just like the rest of that deceived group.

You do a lot of guessing! I began to study, to a very limited degree, the KJV argument for exclusivity because my brother handed me a little book by the Alands, called "The Text of the New Testament." I still haven't completed it, after years of having it in my possession, but it opened me up to issues that I feel I needed to look at. You might want to check it out?

 

[Behold]

You continue to divert away from your apparent lack of translation ability t
Now you've diverted to a completely different subject. I was referring to your attack on modern Bible versions. I

If i had a lack of "translation ability" i could not have pointed out what is wrong with the NIV that you try to authorize.
I would not be able to tell you that Jerome mistranslated much of the Latin Text, which is why Martin Luther began to get the vision from God that the "cult of Mary" is a abomination.....which led to "protest" the CATHOLIC CHURCH.

= PROTESTANT

ARE YOU ONE?
THAT'S WHY

I'll give you some advice., on "modern bible version"......as compared to older, better, Bibles., including the KJV.

Modern Versions, are created by people who want to make money.
That is why a modern version is created. = filthy lucre" (Paul).
See, there are 300 Bibles....obo.....So, at some point after About 78, did we need another that said..>"its clearer, easier to read, and written in the most modern language"....

See that JUNK.
Its just HYPE....for the sake of making a $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
And what is worse, is that when this is the "HEART" of the "new bible" then the Devil created it, and that is why its piece of theological dung.

 

[Behold]

You do a lot of guessing! I began to study, to a very limited degree, the KJV argument

You said im guessing.

Thats a lie., which is why you didnt use a quote.
I bet you confess sin a lot.

 

[Behold]

the KJV argument for exclusivity

It is true that there is a "Cult of KJV haters"....