I believe that gay people have as much of a "choice" to be gay as you do to not sin

[RLT63]

The times in which we live are very poignant. I have a book, Slaying Dragons, by Charles D. Fraune, who interviewed several exorcist priests about their experiences, etc. In the book, it quotes Fr. Chad Ripperger who said that Satan has, in our day, five demon "generals" who are assigned to undermine and destroy our society and our faith. The first is Ba'al, who is assigned the destruction of our morality, especially through the Commandment, Thou Shalt Not Commit Adultery. The second is Asmodeus, who is assigned to male homosexuality. The next two, Lilith and Leviathan, are assigned to female homosexuality (Lility is the feminine-acting component and Leviathan is the male-acting). The last is Balformet, who is assigned child sacrifice. Think abortion here. These five generals have been wildly successful and are destroying the faith of many people, especially the youth, who are abandoning God in historic numbers.

Interesting

 

[Jim B]

True. Everyone has a freewill and can sin at anytime. But the homosexual is not a child of God. And if the child of God sin,he hurts inside.feels sorrow and cries out to God. The homosexual is pleased with his sin and continues in it.

Where does it say anywhere in the Bible that a homosexual is not a child of God? Beyond that, what did Jesus have to say about homosexuality? Answer: NOTHING!

 

[Jim B]

Temptation and giving into sin are not the same. I am persuaded to believe that many Christians give into temptation because they are taught that a mere thought is sin, so "I might as well do it since the thought came to my mind". This is wrong theology. When satan plants thoughts of sin in our minds, we are to resist him. It may well be a lengthy wrestle in the mind of temptation, but we can use the blood of Jesus and the power of the Word to chase satan away in our time of temptation. Remember, when Jesus was tempted of satan after fasting 40 days, He used what was written against satan. The Word of God is the sword of the spirit.

So, as to the subject of this thread, we as children of God are called to a life of holiness and righteousness by growing into the Stature of Jesus Christ. Romans 13:14 lets us know how to fight this battle of temptation with the flesh. Homosexuality, along with adultry and sex outside-of-marriage, are works of the flesh; and by engaging in them, you are excluded from God's Kingdom.

Romans 13
14 But put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make not provision for the flesh, to fulfil the lusts thereof.

1 Corinthians 6
9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators [sex outside-of-marriage], nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites,
10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God.
11 And such were some of you. But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God.

You forgot to include the others mentioned: the sexually immoral, idolaters, adulterers, male prostitutes, men who engage in illicit sex, thieves, the greedy, drunkards, revilers, swindlers—none of these will inherit the kingdom of God.

So, according to you, anyone who is sexually immoral, anyone who worships idols, those who commit adultery, those who steal, greedy people, those who get drunk, those who criticize others in an abusive manner, and those who obtain something by force or threats will not inherit the kingdom of God.

Interesting that you include the following verse, but don't believe it. Don't you understand "repentance" and/or "forgiveness"???

 

[TinMan]

The times in which we live are very poignant. I have a book, Slaying Dragons, by Charles D. Fraune, who interviewed several exorcist priests about their experiences, etc. In the book, it quotes Fr. Chad Ripperger who said that Satan has, in our day, five demon "generals" who are assigned to undermine and destroy our society and our faith. The first is Ba'al, who is assigned the destruction of our morality, especially through the Commandment, Thou Shalt Not Commit Adultery. The second is Asmodeus, who is assigned to male homosexuality. The next two, Lilith and Leviathan, are assigned to female homosexuality (Lility is the feminine-acting component and Leviathan is the male-acting). The last is Balformet, who is assigned child sacrifice. Think abortion here. These five generals have been wildly successful and are destroying the faith of many people, especially the youth, who are abandoning God in historic numbers.

Lesbians get two demons.....Well neither of them are demons Lilith was Adam's first wife and Leviathan is a whale.

 

[Augustin56]

Lesbians get two demons.....Well neither of them are demons Lilith was Adam's first wife and Leviathan is a whale.

Names are not like social security numbers, in which they are never again used. I know many people who have the same first name.

 

[07-07-07]

You forgot to include the others mentioned: the sexually immoral, idolaters, adulterers, male prostitutes, men who engage in illicit sex, thieves, the greedy, drunkards, revilers, swindlers—none of these will inherit the kingdom of God.

So, according to you, anyone who is sexually immoral, anyone who worships idols, those who commit adultery, those who steal, greedy people, those who get drunk, those who criticize others in an abusive manner, and those who obtain something by force or threats will not inherit the kingdom of God.

Interesting that you include the following verse, but don't believe it. Don't you understand "repentance" and/or "forgiveness"???

Yes, the list is very exhaustive, so we must yield ourselves to the Spirit so we won't fulfill the lusts of the flesh. Consistent prayer, fasting and living in the Word are the spiritual exercises to keep us rooted and grounded in Jesus Christ.

Galatians 5
16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

And yes, I do understand "repentance" and/or "forgiveness", and these things yield the fruit of holiness and righteousness in one's life. A life that learns to be obedient to the fundamentals of the born again experience. A life walking after the Spirit, not after the works of the flesh. Because if you live after the flesh, you won't inherit God's Kingdom, per the Scriptures.

Galatians 5
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.

 

[PinSeeker]

Where does it say anywhere in the Bible that a homosexual is not a child of God?

Well, is Paul (and ultimately God; it is His Word) not clear in Galatians 5 that sexual immorality and impurity, among other things, is a work of the flesh, and that those who do such things will not inherit the kingdom of God?

Beyond that, what did Jesus have to say about homosexuality? Answer: NOTHING!

He did talk about sexual sin, Jim, and in so doing clearly said, essentially, "Don't do it."

Grace and peace to you.

 

[MatthewG]

Can gay people be christians if they believe in gospel of Christ, his death, burial, and resurrection? Despite disposition, can they not love God, and love others along the way?

 

[Patrick1966]

Well, is Paul (and ultimately God; it is His Word) not clear in Galatians 5 that sexual immorality and impurity, among other things, is a work of the flesh, and that those who do such things will not inherit the kingdom of God?

Once they go to Christ, whether in life or in the hereafter, they will be cleansed of their sins and of their sinful nature and then join God in his kingdom.

 

[MatthewG]

Some people absolutely hate people who are fags.

reason why? Probably was abused when they were younger. Or they feed off the thoughts of hatred that come about with-in the flesh even later on in life in someones 40s, 50s, 60s. (I have seen many criminal investigations).

As Christians we are told to love, all people and pray also for all people.


So, for me I love the individual, who just happens to be homosexual - but i dont have to agree with all the political agenda stuff like LGBTQ whatever stuff.

Cause as individuals who serve God, are called to be lead by the spirit.

How can you say you love God but hate your neighbor? How can you love God who is unseen?

 

[07-07-07]

Can gay people be christians if they believe in gospel of Christ, his death, burial, and resurrection? Despite disposition, can they not love God, and love others along the way?

One who is born with same sex attraction can become "born again" through Jesus Christ, which means that this spiritually renewed person rejects the practicing of homosexuality and all other works of the flesh. The desire may well still be there, but as with any other temptation it must be resisted. This is the Christian lifestyle.

 

[Jim B]

Yes, the list is very exhaustive, so we must yield ourselves to the Spirit so we won't fulfill the lusts of the flesh. Consistent prayer, fasting and living in the Word are the spiritual exercises to keep us rooted and grounded in Jesus Christ.

Galatians 5
16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

And yes, I do understand "repentance" and/or "forgiveness", and these things yield the fruit of holiness and righteousness in one's life. A life that learns to be obedient to the fundamentals of the born again experience. A life walking after the Spirit, not after the works of the flesh. Because if you live after the flesh, you won't inherit God's Kingdom, per the Scriptures.

Galatians 5
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.

But why do you not mention the other sins that keep a person separated from God? These days it's all about homosexuality, but there are many others ins that are mentioned in the Bible that are overlooked. I know it's de rigueur to crusade against homosexuality while overlooking many other sins, such as adultery, that people commit that have far worse consequences. Jesus mentioned adultery several times but never mentioned homosexuality. Do you understand sin better than Jesus?

 

[MatthewG]

One who is born with same sex attraction can become "born again" through Jesus Christ, which means that this spiritually renewed person rejects the practicing of homosexuality and all other works of the flesh. The desire may well still be there, but as with any other temptation it must be resisted. This is the Christian lifestyle.

Hello there,

Are you someone who believes that sin has been paid for all people?

See the way I look at it is, Rahab was a prostitute, yet still had a heart for God.

That has some type of spiritual picture here to look at from her side of the story, do you think?

Its not a good thing to slut yourself around is it?

Yet this person, deemed a harlot, was justified.

 

[PinSeeker]

Once they go to Christ, whether in life or in the hereafter, they will be cleansed of their sins and of their sinful nature and then join God in his kingdom.

Not if they are unrepentant, which is kind of what this thread is about. Unrepentant sinners are not children of God, neither in this life nor (certainly) the next.

Grace and peace to you.

 

[PinSeeker]

Some people absolutely hate people who are fags.

That's... an odd ~ and contradictive, and self-incriminating, really ~ way to put it...

You certainly say some... well, interesting... things, Matthew.

Grace and peace to you.

 

[Patrick1966]

One who is born with same sex attraction can become "born again" through Jesus Christ, which means that this spiritually renewed person rejects the practicing of homosexuality and all other works of the flesh. The desire may well still be there, but as with any other temptation it must be resisted. This is the Christian lifestyle.

I like your post and while, hopefully, a "born again" person can resist and reject sin, they cannot totally reject sin, but at least they're trying.

 

[Patrick1966]

That's... an odd ~ and contradictive, and self-incriminating, really ~ way to put it...

You certainly say some... well, interesting... things, Matthew.

Grace and peace to you.

Matthew was speaking rhetorically to make a point about the hatred and intolerance that some people have to "fags".

 

[Patrick1966]

Not if they are unrepentant...

ALL will come to repentance, my brother, but not necessarily in this lifetime.

 

[PinSeeker]

Matthew was speaking rhetorically to make a point about the hatred and intolerance that some people have to "fags".

I... don't think that was his intent; it certainly didn't seem that way. And even so, to refer to people in such a derisive way, even if innocuously ~ and maybe especially if innocuously ~ is despicable, really. Words are very important; the tongue is indeed a fire.

ALL will come to repentance, my brother, but not necessarily in this lifetime.

Sadly, many are dead in this life, and, one day, will (permanently) perish. As Paul says in Romans 9, some are "vessels of wrath, created for dishonorable use." These He "endure(s) with much patience," even though they are "prepared for destruction." Certainly, we can agree to disagree, but no, not all will come to repentance. God's heart is that they would, but... well, He has His purposes, which Paul is clear on in that same passage, which is "to make known the riches of His glory for vessels of mercy, which He has prepared beforehand for glory," which include Jews and Gentiles, people of every tongue, tribe, and nation.

Grace and peace to you, Patrick.

 

[TinMan]

Some people absolutely hate people who are fags.

Usually a derogatory term like you just used is a sign of hate.

reason why? Probably was abused when they were younger. Or they feed off the thoughts of hatred that come about with-in the flesh even later on in life in someones 40s, 50s, 60s. (I have seen many criminal investigations).

Child sexual abuse is almost exclusively a heterosexual thing.
and again usually trying to associate a minority with people who abuse children is a sign of hate.

As Christians we are told to love, all people and pray also for all people.


So, for me I love the individual, who just happens to be homosexual - but i dont have to agree with all the political agenda stuff like LGBTQ whatever stuff.

what agenda stuff?