From the pen of Ellen White

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The proud heart strives to earn salvation; but both our title to heaven and our fitness for it are found in the righteousness of Christ. The Lord can do nothing toward the recovery of man until, convinced of his own weakness, and stripped of all self-sufficiency, he yields himself to the control of God. Then he can receive the gift that God is waiting to bestow. From the soul that feels his need, nothing is withheld. He has unrestricted access to Him in whom all fullness dwells. “For thus saith the high and lofty One that inhabiteth eternity, whose name is Holy; I dwell in the high and holy place, with him also that is of a contrite and humble spirit, to revive the spirit of the humble, and to revive the heart of the contrite ones.” Isaiah 57:15.—The Desire of Ages, p. 300.
 

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“Everyone that is of the truth,” Christ declared, “heareth My voice.” John 18:37. Having stood in the counsels of God, having dwelt in the everlasting heights of the sanctuary, all elements of truth were in Him and of Him. He was one with God. It means more than finite minds can comprehend to present in every missionary effort Christ and Him crucified. “He was wounded for our transgressions, He was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon Him; and with His stripes we are healed.” Isaiah 53:5. “He hath made Him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in Him.” 2 Corinthians 5:21. Christ crucified for our sins; Christ risen from the dead; Christ ascended on high as our intercessor—this is the science of salvation that we need to learn and to teach. This is to be the burden of our work.
The cross of Christ—teach it to every student over and over again. How many believe it to be what it is? How many bring it into their studies and know its true significance? Could there be a Christian in our world without the cross of Christ? Then keep the cross upheld . . . as the foundation of true education.—Counsels to Parents, Teachers, and Students, pp. 22, 23.
 

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Heed not john calvin either . Let us learn our bibles .
And heed not the RCC and her prostestant led all inclusive lie either .
Time to learn those bibles my friends . Time to learn those bibles . Let all that draws breath
both praise and thank and then thank and praise the glorious LORD .
 

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"To the law and to the testimony. If they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them." Isaiah 8:20.
The people of God are directed to the Scriptures as their safeguard against the influence of false teachers and the delusive power of spirits of darkness. Satan employs every possible device to prevent men from obtaining a knowledge of the Bible; for its plain utterances reveal his deceptions. At every revival of God's work, the prince of evil is aroused to more intense activity; he is now putting forth his utmost efforts for a final struggle against Christ and his followers. The last great delusion is soon to open before us. Antichrist is to perform his marvelous works in our sight. So closely will the counterfeit resemble the true, that it will be impossible to distinguish between them except by the Holy Scriptures. By their testimony every statement and every miracle must be tested
E G White
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When God sends to men warnings so important that they are represented as proclaimed by holy angels flying in the midst of heaven, (see Revelation 14) he requires every person endowed with reasoning powers to heed the message. The fearful judgments denounced against the worship of the beast and his image, Revelation 14:9-11. should lead all to a diligent study of the prophecies to learn what the mark of the beast is, and how they are to avoid receiving it. But the masses of the people turn away their ears from hearing the truth, and are turned unto fables. The apostle Paul declared, looking down to the last days, "The time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine." 2 Timothy 4:3. That time has fully come. The multitudes do not want Bible truth, because it interferes with the desires of the sinful, world-loving heart; and Satan supplies the deceptions which they love.
But God will have a people upon the earth to maintain the Bible, and the Bible only, as the standard of all doctrines, and the basis of all reforms. The opinions of learned men, the deductions of science, the creeds or decisions of ecclesiastical councils, as numerous and discordant as are the churches which they represent, the voice of the majority,—not one or all of these should be regarded as evidence for or against any point of religious faith. Before accepting any doctrine or precept, we should demand a plain "Thus saith the Lord" in its support. GC88 594.2 - GC88 595.1
 

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And.... From the pen of the Apostle Paul...

11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve. - 1 Timothy 2
 

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And.... From the pen of the Apostle Paul...

11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve. - 1 Timothy 2
Does that mean that women may not comment here? Or assert authority here as well?? How many women moderators do we have here?
what did Priscilla do? She was not just an arm decoration/ How about Deborah, a judge? Or Miriam, a prophetess?
 

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Does that mean that women may not comment here? Or assert authority here as well?? How many women moderators do we have here?
what did Priscilla do? She was not just an arm decoration/ How about Deborah, a judge? Or Miriam, a prophetess?
I was wondering about that as well, so, looked it up on line,found this answer.

Our Lord had several women who followed and assisted Him. Then, after the resurrection, it was the women who first announced that Jesus was alive (Matthew 28:1-10, John 20:18). It was women who “preached” the resurrection. Therefore, it is argued, women can preach in the church today
 
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I was wondering about that as well, so, looked it up on line,found this answer.

Our Lord had several women who followed and assisted Him. Then, after the resurrection, it was the women who first announced that Jesus was alive (Matthew 28:1-10, John 20:18). It was women who “preached” the resurrection. Therefore, it is argued, women can preach in the church today
I have enjoyed women as teachers and evangelists. I do not care for the teachings of Ellen White. The extent of the SDA church God knows. I just don't care for the teachings. I believe we can make statements on our preferences on denominational teachings. And the freedom of religion exercise these days can be applied to any church. We have the freedom to embrace or avoid whatever teachings we see fit.
 
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I have enjoyed women as teachers and evangelists. I do not care for the teachings of Ellen White. The extent of the SDA church God knows. I just don't care for the teachings. I believe we can make statements on our preferences on denominational teachings. And the freedom of religion exercise these days can be applied to any church. We have the freedom to embrace or avoid whatever teachings we see fit.
I agree. As you will know, o I'm an Adventist. But I'm not posting EGW comments here in order to make you an Adventist. And that was never her intention either. Her ministry was to bring people to Jesus. And that is the ministry of the SDA church. To lead people to a Savior who died for their sins. And I think as you read her comments above, you will recognize that, and also her uplifting of the Bible as the foundation and final authority on faith and practise.
 

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Actually, in thinking about this more, perhaps there is an ulterior motive I could confess to, and that would be to lay aside any suggestions that Adventists rate Ellen White as the final authority in faith and practice for our Christian walk. She herself would be horrified of adventists today or at any time works use her and/or her husband as a source or example for Bible truth, or final authoritative source for counsel on how to live in righteousness. Here's some quotes to that effect...

In the vision given me June 12, 1868, I was shown the danger of the people of God in looking to Brother and Sister White and thinking that they must come to them with their burdens and seek counsel of them. This ought not so to be.
They are invited by their compassionate, loving Saviour to come unto Him, when weary and heavy-laden, and He will relieve them. In Him they will find rest. In taking their perplexities and trials to Jesus, they will find the promise in regard to them fulfilled. When in their distress they feel the relief which is found alone in Jesus they obtain an experience which is of the highest value to them.
Brother and Sister White are striving for purity of life, striving to bring forth fruit unto holiness; yet they are only erring mortals.
Many come to us with the inquiry: Shall I do this? Shall I engage in that enterprise? Or, in regard to dress, Shall I wear this or that article?
I answer them: You profess to be disciples of Christ. Study your Bibles. Read carefully and prayerfully the life of our dear Saviour when He dwelt among men upon the earth. Imitate His life, and you will not be found straying from the narrow path.
We UTTERLY REFUSE to be conscience for you.
If we tell you just what to do, YOU WILL LOOK TO US to guide you, instead of going directly to Jesus for yourselves. Your experience will be founded IN US. You must have an experience for yourselves, which shall be founded in God. Then can you stand amid the perils of the last days and be purified and not consumed by the fire of affliction through which all the saints must pass in order to have the impurities removed from their character preparatory to receiving the finishing touch of immortality. 2T 118.3

I think the advice above speaks to all church members, all Christians of whatever denomination, particularly Catholics, that their pastors and priests and church leaders should never replace the real and personal role that Christ himself should have in our lives. Ellen White always saw herself and her ministry as one that led people to Christ and His word as the ultimate and final authority in all things Christian. This was especially needful at the time she ministered, as the churches in her day were in a dark place and the Lord was seeking to bring people back to Himself.
The OP is a fine post. As is yours that puts into context Ms. Whites part in the SDA.

Unfortunately, you'll find bigotry toward SDA here. As is the case in CDS, CALVINISM Derangement Syndrome, wherein citing certain passages from God leads to that poster being labeled , attacked, and or dismissed as a Calvinist.
And of course there is the RCC hatred.
Just as a FYI.
 
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I remember a quote from Saint Augustine that went, "Mans extremity is Gods opportunity." But as far as I am concerned mans extremity is God's big headache. Which is why I don't mind objections, debate, and disagreements. I believe EGW got overly extreme in her teachings.

But... I am Pentecostal Holiness..

Pentecostal extremities - Tongues
Holiness extremities- Dress

So denominational teachings can get overly extreme in my own denomination.
 

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I remember a quote from Saint Augustine that went, "Mans extremity is Gods opportunity." But as far as I am concerned mans extremity is God's big headache. Which is why I don't mind objections, debate, and disagreements. I believe EGW got overly extreme in her teachings.

But... I am Pentecostal Holiness..

Pentecostal extremities - Tongues
Holiness extremities- Dress

So denominational teachings can get overly extreme in my own denomination.
Actually you might be surprised at many of Ellen White's stances on a few issues of her day. Take for example her recommendations on dress. Women's fashion at that time required dresses to be so long that in dirty unpaved streets, as many were, they would pick up much dust and mud because they dragged along the ground. EGW stood against the fashionable trends in favor of common sense. Shorten the dresses so they don't drag.
Also, at a time when tobacco was being prescribed by doctors to alleviate tuberculosis, she called it a poison that should never be touched. Even her stance on vegetarian diets was not extreme, recommending eggs and small portions of meat for those who couldn't gain sufficient nutritional value from alternative foods. She wasn't a tyrant, nor extreme. Oh, and she didn't make stuff up just to be different. Her books and counsels on health were ground breaking and years ahead of her time, and still relevant today, and attested by numerous medical authorities as the real deal. Even more remarkable considering her lack of formal education.
 

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That is only one of many possible marks of a cult. but Ellen White did consider herself a prophetess from God and the SDA recognized her as such. If they still do, I don't know.
For all practical purposes, Ellen G. White's teachings are never challenged by the SDAs. For example the Investigative Judgment is still a part of their beliefs.
 

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Yea, more, it carries the mind forward to the future life, and opens before it the glories of Paradise restored.
Here right away is an error from E. G. White. Paradise will NOT be restored on earth. Paradise is presently in the New Jerusalem and will remain there (Lk 23:42; 2 Cor 12:4; Rev 2:7.)
 
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I remember a quote from Saint Augustine that went, "Mans extremity is Gods opportunity." But as far as I am concerned mans extremity is God's big headache. Which is why I don't mind objections, debate, and disagreements. I believe EGW got overly extreme in her teachings.

But... I am Pentecostal Holiness..

Pentecostal extremities - Tongues
Holiness extremities- Dress

So denominational teachings can get overly extreme in my own denomination.
From my reading here that denomination isn't held in esteem either.

Makes one wonder which one is?
 

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From my reading here that denomination isn't held in esteem either.

Makes one wonder which one is?
If there was a perfect denomination out there it would become imperfect just by me walking through the doors. Pictured is my church in a better time... How I miss the people!
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