Is there a difference in " FALSE " teaching & error in teaching ?

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Please pray as i am heading to the Emergency Room right now since my right leg is swelling.

My father died from A pulmonary embolism due to swelling in his leg.
Just caught this David. I had some scares myself but everything worked out for me and I pray it works out for you. These things can dissolve sometimes, but hopefully it won't require surgery. Praying for you to be healed.
 

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Ok maybe this is input........

"False teaching" is intentional; to deceive others for whatever personal reasoning the deceiver might have....be it arrogance, ego, narcissism, ect. and I do think the deceiver is aware of their deceit.


While this can be, and often is the case, it's not always the case. A person can also be sincere, and at the same time- sincerely wrong. This was actually the situation that Jesus confronted. All the "experts" and the best of the best religious leaders thought that they had all the right information, the right practices and even the right attitudes. Even casual observers could see them as arrogant hypocrites, but they certainly didn't see themselves that way. Did they intentionally deceive? Maybe some of them at certain times did for their own selfish purposes, but for the most part they were diligent law-followers, keeping to the commandments while adding to them, because they didn't think the commandments went far enough. That's how observant they were.

Did Moses intentionally deceive? He's the one who got them going on the commandments and the one who wrote the Law that they adhered so closely to. Certainly they were deceived, as Jesus made the point over and over.... "You say...." or "It says in your Law..." or "Moses gave you...." ----- "but I say..." -- and in so doing, he challenged both their thinking and their authority. He opposed their teaching, and even Moses himself. That doesn't mean that he thought Moses intentionally deceived the people and led them down this path (and 40 years of misguided wandering) with any ill intent. In fact he said of Moses- he is your accuser.

-For the law came through Moses, but grace and truth through Jesus Christ.
 

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While this can be, and often is the case, it's not always the case. A person can also be sincere, and at the same time- sincerely wrong. This was actually the situation that Jesus confronted. All the "experts" and the best of the best religious leaders thought that they had all the right information, the right practices and even the right attitudes. Even casual observers could see them as arrogant hypocrites, but they certainly didn't see themselves that way. Did they intentionally deceive? Maybe some of them at certain times did for their own selfish purposes, but for the most part they were diligent law-followers, keeping to the commandments while adding to them, because they didn't think the commandments went far enough. That's how observant they were.

Did Moses intentionally deceive? He's the one who got them going on the commandments and the one who wrote the Law that they adhered so closely to. Certainly they were deceived, as Jesus made the point over and over.... "You say...." or "It says in your Law..." or "Moses gave you...." ----- "but I say..." -- and in so doing, he challenged both their thinking and their authority. He opposed their teaching, and even Moses himself. That doesn't mean that he thought Moses intentionally deceived the people and led them down this path (and 40 years of misguided wandering) with any ill intent. In fact he said of Moses- he is your accuser.

-For the law came through Moses, but grace and truth through Jesus Christ.
I can concur with folks having been taught a certain interpreted "word" as the word of God & indoctrinated & then passing that on in error of innocence w/o intent to deceive.

We are warned to test spiritual against spiritual & them against the word of God.We are warned also to be aware of being deceived by the many deceivers that are in these last days!

Therefore it behooves us to " study to show ourselves approved of God", not man !
 

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I can concur with folks having been taught a certain interpreted "word" as the word of God & indoctrinated & then passing that on in error of innocence w/o intent to deceive.

We are warned to test spiritual against spiritual & them against the word of God.We are warned also to be aware of being deceived by the many deceivers that are in these last days!

Therefore it behooves us to " study to show ourselves approved of God", not man !
And this is the beauty of it . IF we would but return to the bible for ourselves
THINGS can get cleared up pretty fast . That is the problem though , most folks would rather sit under men
and just go with the flow of whatever feels good and seems right .
But i do want to remind us of something which I KNOW will GIVE GOD THE GLORY .
THE LAMBS have a love for truth planted upon our hearts , BY GOD , by HIS grace
and lambs love to feast on TRUTH . THEY LOVE THAT BIBLE . THANKS BE TO GOD for HIS LIFE , HEART CHANGING
agape love for HIM he puts upon our hearts . Truly i can take credit for nothing good , ALL THE GLORY GOES TO GOD
and unto HIS CHRIST . I notice more and more in this generation sure are becoming
fast too blame GOD for all the ills in this world . NOW THAT HONOR GOES TO MAN . Adam and eve
DIRECTLY disobeyed GOD . THEY ate from the TREE , and the CURSE CAME .
and we ourselves are no less guilty than were they . FOR ALL HAVE SINNED .
MAN gets all the credit for the evils in the world . GOD GETS ALL THE GLORY and CREDIT FOR THAT WHICH IS GOOD .
He even made THE ONLY WAY FOR US back to HIM . IN CHRIST JESUS . NOW that is LOVE
But sadly most wont embrace that , cause many love thier sin and wont come to the light lest their deeds be exposed .
THE REASON this world is so full of evil , rape , murder , kidnappings , rapes , poverty , starvation
disease , pestilence and any other hardship , THE FAULT LIES NOT ON THE CREATOR . IT LIES ON MAN KIND .
GOD told adam . HE TOLD HIM TO SPECIFICALLY NOT EAT OF THAT ONE TREE . WELL the CURSE CAME
and this world has been under the curse ever since as have been every man born .
BUT NOW LET US PRAISE GOD PRAISE CHRIST JESUS . FOR IN HIM we are no longer under the curse .
AND one day we gonna see NEW HEAVENS and a new earth . ALL THE GLORY GOES TO GOD
we truly can take no credit for it at all . ALL HONOR TO THE GLORIOUS LAMB OF GOD
the CHRIST OF GOD , to GOD THE FATHER OF OUR LORD and SAVOIR JESUS CHRIST . WHO GIVES US SUCH HOPE
and giveth us what we earned not , which is SECOND death , but rather we have ETERNAL LIFE IN CHRIST .
ITS TRULY IMPOSSIBLE to count up all the blessing of GOD given us in CHRIST . As for evils , MAN KIND GETS THE BLAME FOR ALL THAT . GOD gets the HONOR FOR ALL THAT IS GOOD .
 

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David hasn't posted since Saturday. Let's pray more for him.
@ewq1938 @marks, @amigo de christo @amadeus @Keturah @Christophany @Johann @Mr E @rwb and ALL my Brethren

i am in the hosptital since Saturday for an infection from the surgery.

i did not have my laptop until today so i apologize that i was unable to update.

Doing better because of your great love and prayers.

Today they will do a Dopplar on my swollen leg and a CT scan.

Blood work so far has been good but they are still waiting on more tests to come back.

My CRP level on Saturday was 127 - normal is 9

That level as of this morning is 54

My wife and i were deeply concerned at first but i knew that YOU-ALL were/and are praying and this has resulted in my continual improvement and my soon to come discharge.

My wife says = Love to Everyone = THANK YOU
 
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David in NJ

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Very true, one of the many. That is why it is important to know who the God is that the Word was with.
But Moses said to God, “Who am I that I should go to Pharaoh, and that I should bring the children of Israel out of Egypt?”

So He said, “I will certainly be with you. And this shall be a sign to you that I have sent you: When you have brought the people out of Egypt, you shall serve God on this mountain.”

Then Moses said to God, “Indeed, when I come to the children of Israel and say to them, ‘The God of your fathers has sent me to you,’ and they say to me, ‘What is His name?’ what shall I say to them?”

And God said to Moses, “I AM WHO I AM.” And He said, “Thus you shall say to the children of Israel, ‘I AM has sent me to you.’ ” Moreover God said to Moses, “Thus you shall say to the children of Israel:
‘The Lord Elohim of your fathers,
#1 Elohenu Abraham
#2 Elohenu Isaac
#3 Elohenu Jacob
has sent me to you.
This is My name forever, and this is My memorial to all generations.’

Not that any man hath seen the Father, save he which is of God, he hath seen the Father.
 

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My wife and i were deeply concerned at first but i knew that YOU-ALL were/and are praying and this has resulted in my continual improvement and my soon to come discharge.

My wife says = Love to Everyone = THANK YOU
I'm so glad you are doing better! I pray God will bless you with speedy healing, a full recovery, and you will grow in endurance and trust!

Much love!
 

David in NJ

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There's nothing ambiguous in that passage which confirms that the Second Coming of Christ will be after several major and catastrophic and cataclysmic cosmic events. Following that He will send His angels to gather the believing elect remnant of Israel from around the world.
There is never a mention of any 'pre-trib rapture!!!

Not in the entire chapter!

Not in the entire Gospel........
 

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@marks, @amigo de christo @amadeus @Keturah @Christophany @Johann @Mr E and ALL my Brethren

i am in the hosptital since Saturday for an infection from the surgery.

i did not have my laptop until today so i apologize that i was unable to update.

Doing better because of your great love and prayers.

Today they will do a Dopplar on my swollen leg and a CT scan.

Blood work so far has been good but they are still waiting on more tests to come back.

My CRP level on Saturday was 127 - normal is 9

That level as of this morning is 54

My wife and i were deeply concerned at first but i knew that YOU-ALL were/and are praying and this has resulted in my continual improvement and my soon to come discharge.

My wife says = Love to Everyone = THANK YOU
What is CRP .
 
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@marks, @amigo de christo @amadeus @Keturah @Christophany @Johann @Mr E and ALL my Brethren

i am in the hosptital since Saturday for an infection from the surgery.

i did not have my laptop until today so i apologize that i was unable to update.

Doing better because of your great love and prayers.

Today they will do a Dopplar on my swollen leg and a CT scan.

Blood work so far has been good but they are still waiting on more tests to come back.

My CRP level on Saturday was 127 - normal is 9

That level as of this morning is 54

My wife and i were deeply concerned at first but i knew that YOU-ALL were/and are praying and this has resulted in my continual improvement and my soon to come discharge.

My wife says = Love to Everyone = THANK YOU
Continuing in prayer!
 
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There is never a mention of any 'pre-trib rapture!!!

Not in the entire chapter!

Not in the entire Gospel........
March on david . No matter what , our focus is on the LORD and on HIS EVERY WORD .
My dear sister made sure i got to do bible reads when i was in the hospital for an infection last year in july .
It was nice and peaceful . We contend for truth till the last breath .
HERE is what is and what is about to come . A DELUSION is growing big time .
This delusion will lead the united religions , secular and all to come as one against the true non conforming lambs .
JESUS said it best . ANYTHING HE SAID IS TRUTH .
And i seem to notice when they asked him about the end , HE SURE seemed to warn about NOT being decieved
and about much tribulation against the saints . He also made mention of how blessed one is
WHEN THEY are persecuted for HIS name sake .
HE warned them . He never gave them the idea they would not have to suffer for him . HE WARNED THEM .
THIS is something the churches are failing HUGE ON . I remind us all and warn us all
THIS WORLD has hated christains , TRUE ONES , through all generations . And as time has went on
the hatred is INCREASING and will continue to do so . Its gonna get big time worse and fast .
as more and more unite under a darkness that potrays itself as Light
as more and more unite under a hate for TRUTH and HOLINESS , that is potraying itself as loving and non judgmental .
IT cannot be stopped david . But many are selling out to it . The lambs will simply cling to Christ .
We embrace HIS WORDS , not mens who love this world and desire the path that leads to acceptance .
Folks are afraid and decieved . To suffer for JESUS , TO THEM makes no sense . THE jesus they follow
Cometh to feed them their own lusts desires and easy life and acceptance of men and of the world .
THAT AINT JESUS . THE WORLD hated JESUS , I PROMISE ITS GONNA HATE US TOO .
AND this hatred is about to COME TO A HEAD . AN all out great tribulation against the lambs . tribulation
aint a new idea for the true church . BUT ITS GONNA GET MUCH WORSE and SOON .