One Creed to live by and die for...

[face2face]

The ignorance @BreadOfLife is showing is astounding as it's not as though the truth is hidden from them.

Revelation 1:1 and we find God is still revealing Himself through His Son! Yes even in his glorified state!

The revelation from Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show his servants what must soon take place. He made it known by sending his angel to his servant John, Rev 1:1

I mean, what cannot be understood from this text which is not revealed in the whole chapter?

Why is there such ignorance on this subject?

This teaches that Christ was dependent upon God for the knowledge that he passed on to "his servants," and proves conclusively that he is not co-equal with the Father.

I mean, here Bread is boasting in reading Scripture, only to destroy it with her dogma!

Mind blowing!

 

[APAK]

A Biblical Creed from the word of God, the Father, concerning his son and his life on earth until his physical death on the Cross. God wants us to know how we should conduct ourselves in light of his son's life on earth .

Paul in Philippians says:

Have this mind among yourselves, which is yours in Christ Jesus, who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped, but emptied himself, by taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men.

We are to have the mind of Christ. And even though he represented his Father, God, in all ways and spoke his words and acted as him, God, he never once thought to think to say and believe he was an equal with his Father, our God. Instead he acted in spirit the opposite way, and humbled himself as a lowly servant or slave to his Father. We are to be the same towards serving God today, in mind and spirit, in utter humility and lowliness in spirit, as we are in the spirit of his son and the Father God already.

And being found in human form, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross. Therefore God has highly exalted him and bestowed on him the name that is above every name,

And as a human being and personality, he humbled himself in complete obedience until his death on the cross. And because of this his Father, God, greatly glorified him and made his name and stature above all creation.

so that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
Philippians 2:5-11 ESV

Exalted above God's creation to where we now bow down as his servants, those in heaven and on and under the earth, of all peoples. To make known to all that his Son is our master and owner of our lives, for life or death. This pleased(s) and glorified(s) God the Father indeed.

 

[face2face]

so that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
Philippians 2:5-11 ESV

It's everywhere @APAK

 

[face2face]

Instead he acted in spirit the opposite way, and humbled himself as a lowly servant or slave to his Father. We are to be the same towards serving God today, in mind and spirit, in utter humility and lowliness in spirit, as we are in the spirit of his son and the Father God already.

Being God's son would come with certain privileges! However, his purpose was not Son-ship but Servitude! Hence, he made himself nothing, a man of no reputation! Consider the example of Isaac, who has very little written about him...he was a son of promise, who likewise made himself as nothing... and had a relatively boring (uneventful) life.

Read John 6:38; Luke 22:42; Heb 10:7.

The Lord not only emptied himself of claiming these privileges he emptied himself of his own will and desires, becoming a humble servant of the Father.

It staggers me what people do to the text.

F2F

 

[face2face]

The Holy Spirit is also God.

Correction - it is God's Power.

And the angel said to her, "The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you; therefore the child to be born will be called holy, the Son of God.

Holy Spirit ---->Power of the Most High

Your "plain reading" of this text should guide you into truth.

F2F

 

[Wrangler]

In Rev. 22:13, JESUS is speaking:
“I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, at he beginning and the end.”

BOTH the Father and the Son are called the “Alpha and the Omega.”

Sad. Prophets, by definition, speak for God. It doesn't make them God. Isaiah 44:6 said, “I am the first and I am the last." Does that make him God too?

 

[APAK]

Being God's son would come with certain privileges! However, his purpose was not Son-ship but Servitude! Hence, he made himself nothing, a man of no reputation! Consider the example of Isaac, who has very little written about him...he was a son of promise, who likewise made himself as nothing... and had a relatively boring (uneventful) life.

Read John 6:38; Luke 22:42; Heb 10:7.

The Lord not only emptied himself of claiming these privileges he emptied himself of his own will and desires, becoming a humble servant of the Father.

It staggers me what people do to the text.

F2F

You know when you begin with grave lies concerning the nature of God and his Son, then you have to cover them up constantly with other inventions and constructs or new lies in scripture. And this is a great example of it here, in this scripture.

That is why they had to invent yet another of several artificial constructs for their new founded god called Jesus, the Son of God. They invented a new way for a human person to yield their will over and make room for another will, the Father our God. Now that is called emptying or truly stooping down and humbling yourself as a slave. Even though Jesus was not born with the curse of Adamic sin he could have sinned, and he could have become stubborn and proud and revealed himself as an independent willed human being over time as he grew in years. He did not. He did the opposite.

They believe in none of this 'normal' human traits and ideas, and instead took a far-out view of Jesus, Their definition of 'emptying' one's mind and will over to another they called kenosis or the kenotic theory of Christ emptying himself. Greek. kenōsis, meaning (self-) ‘emptying’. According to them, it actually means that because Jesus is also god like his Father, he had to 'empty himself' of his divine essence/ nature and keep his human nature only (they say he had dual natures of course. I wonder how many they think he has today in heaven?).

So then it begs the question, even if this magic trick occurred or not, did Jesus then maintain his own human nature independently of his Father throughout his life, and never relinquished it over to his Father although he worked with him and compromised and did humble himself some. They will say no of course not. He yielded over both natures. Then I say he did a double nature self-emptying of himself then? And then there is never a reasonable answer given to it.

It's all makeup, using tricks and devises to prop up an untenable theory about the nature of Jesus.

They never bothered to think just to read the scripture in context, and with us in mind, without adding their twist into it. That Jesus just emptied himself as any man and yielded his will over to his Father. He learned to do this over time!!!He trained himself.

He became a man of no renown, a nobody in the eyes of the world. He became a slave to his Father. It's that's simple, yet they make mince meat (hamburger) out of this simple scripture with their novel understanding that nobody can now understand if you are one of their proponents.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Correction - it is God's Power.

And the angel said to her, "The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you; therefore the child to be born will be called holy, the Son of God.

Holy Spirit ---->Power of the Most High

Your "plain reading" of this text should guide you into truth.

F2F

WRONG.

The Holy Spirit is GOD:

Acts 5:3-4
But Peter said, "Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit and keep back part of the price of the land for yourself? "While it remained, was it not your own? And after it was sold, was it not in your own control? Why have you conceived this thing in your heart? You have not lied to men but to GOD."

Peter calls the Holy spirit, “GOD” as he tells Annanias that by lying to the Holy Spirit – he has lied to GOD Himself.

Yoi can’t lie to a “power” – only to a PERSON.

 

[BreadOfLife]

The ignorance @BreadOfLife is showing is astounding as it's not as though the truth is hidden from them.

Revelation 1:1 and we find God is still revealing Himself through His Son! Yes even in his glorified state!

The revelation from Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show his servants what must soon take place. He made it known by sending his angel to his servant John, Rev 1:1

I mean, what cannot be understood from this text which is not revealed in the whole chapter?

Why is there such ignorance on this subject?

This teaches that Christ was dependent upon God for the knowledge that he passed on to "his servants," and proves conclusively that he is not co-equal with the Father.

I mean, here Bread is boasting in reading Scripture, only to destroy it with her dogma!

Mind blowing!

What’s “mind-blowing” is your complete perversion of Scripture and horrendous lack of faith. You reject the Triune God, because you can’t understand it – so you pervert Scripture to fit YOUR ideas about God.

Truly mind-blowing . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

Sad. Prophets, by definition, speak for God. It doesn't make them God. Isaiah 44:6 said, “I am the first and I am the last." Does that make him God too?

You LEFT OUT the FIRST part of Isaiah 44:6 . . .

Isaiah 44:6
“This is what the Lord says—
Israel’s King and Redeemer, the Lord Almighty:
I am the first and I am the last;
apart from me there is no God.

GOD is speaking in this verse.

GOD is speaking in Rev. 1:8 when He says:
“I am the Alpha and the Omega”

And GOD the Son is speaking in Rev. 22:12 when He says:
“I am the Alpha and the Omega”

Nice try . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

No its dribble, and in your case it's flowing from both corners of your mouth!
And by the way Jesus is at the right hand of the Father on high - Yahweh placed him there and now speaks as the Living One - its the whole point of Revelation 1 if you didn't know!
F2F

I didn’t think you’d be able to address the fact that BOTH Jesus (Rev. 22:12) and the Father (Re. 1:8) uttered the SAME thing in Revelation:
"I am the Alpha and the Omega"

EPIC FAIL . . .

 

[Wrangler]

It's all makeup, using tricks and devises to prop up an untenable theory about the nature of Jesus.

Inevitable given the theory is inherently contradictory.

It is truly amazing how many are so brain washed into accepting it. 1 = 3. Brilliant!

He became a man of no renown, a nobody in the eyes of the world.

I don't like this statement. Given that Jesus is most often credited with being the most famous man to ever live, I'd say the opposite is true! He became a man of the greatest renown. From Definition of RENOWN

renown​

1 of 2

noun​

re·nown ri-ˈnau̇n

Synonyms of renown
1
: a state of being widely acclaimed and highly honored

Being put at the right hand of God is the highest honor. The very highest. This is the exact opposite of being of no renown.

 

[APAK]

WRONG.

The Holy Spirit is GOD:

Acts 5:3-4
But Peter said, "Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit and keep back part of the price of the land for yourself? "While it remained, was it not your own? And after it was sold, was it not in your own control? Why have you conceived this thing in your heart? You have not lied to men but to GOD."

Peter calls the Holy spirit, “GOD” as he tells Annanias that by lying to the Holy Spirit – he has lied to GOD Himself.

Yoi can’t lie to a “power” – only to a PERSON.

BoL let's be straight and frank about what you wrote and not to take any thunder from @face2face


Say it like you mean it. You really mean that the Holy Spirit is one of 3 people called God. F2F is saying that the Holy Spirit is only the one person called God, the Father. And this Holy Spirit is his power, or more clearly the Father's power - the one true God BoL.

And do you think that for one moment Peter and his audience thought that the Holy Spirit is another person called God, in fact your 3rd person of God? Not happening I'm afraid. They have always known that God was the Father, they were raised in the OT under the Law and were of the Hebrews not of the Greek pagan culture.

So the power of the Father God projected through his Holy Spirit. And this Spirit is owned by the Father who is only ONE person, the only person called God.

So I think you are very confused in your understanding of the nature of God. And thus every scripture you handle that points to the Holy Spirit and God who is ALWAYS the Father you will have the wrong God in mind, evry time.

So lying to the Holy Spirit is definitely lying to God who is the Father, the one person, not one of 3 persons called God. I see you have definitely got used to your Nicene Creed.

 

[BreadOfLife]

BoL let's be straight and frank about what you wrote and not to take any thunder from @face2face


Say it like you mean it. You really mean that the Holy Spirit is one of 3 people called God. F2F is saying that the Holy Spirit is only the one person called God, the Father. And this Holy Spirit is his power, or more clearly the Father's power - the one true God BoL.

And do you think that for one moment Peter and his audience thought that the Holy Spirit is another person called God, in fact your 3rd person of God? Not happening I'm afraid. They have always known that God was the Father, they were raised in the OT under the Law and were of the Hebrews not of the Greek pagan culture.

So the power of the Father God projected through his Holy Spirit. And this Spirit is owned by the Father who is only ONE person, the only person called God.

So I think you are very confused in your understanding of the nature of God. And thus every scripture you handle that points to the Holy Spirit and God who is ALWAYS the Father you will have the wrong God in mind, evry time.

So lying to the Holy Spirit is definitely lying to God who is the Father, the one person, not one of 3 persons called God. I see you have definitely got used to your Nicene Creed.

WRONG.
You cannot lie to an anything but a PERSON.

You can't like to electricity, which is power.
You can't like to a bicycle.
You can't like to a hamster.

You can only lie to a PERSON.
Peter absolutely referred to the Holy Spirit as GOD in Acts 5:3-4.

 

[APAK]

Inevitable given the theory is inherently contradictory.

It is truly amazing how many are so brain washed into accepting it. 1 = 3. Brilliant!

I don't like this statement. Given that Jesus is most often credited with being the most famous man to ever live, I'd say the opposite is true! He became a man of the greatest renown. From Definition of RENOWN

renown​

1 of 2

noun​

re·nown ri-ˈnau̇n

Synonyms of renown
1
: a state of being widely acclaimed and highly honored

Being put at the right hand of God is the highest honor. The very highest. This is the exact opposite of being of no renown.

Well this is what scripture indicates Wrangler,,,
In Philippians 2: 7... he became or was a man of no reputation, or of no renown, or in the form of a servant,..
Of course when he was glorified he became a man of God of renown and of reputation etc., as his reward for his obedience to his Father.

I really do not see your point here, as it's obvious why he could not have a reputation beforehand,.... before he was fittingly glorified as the proper time.

I'm cool with verse 7a....

 

[APAK]

WRONG.
You cannot lie to an anything but a PERSON.

You can't like to electricity, which is power.
You can't like to a bicycle.
You can't like to a hamster.

You can only lie to a PERSON.
Peter absolutely referred to the Holy Spirit as GOD in Acts 5:3-4.

I just said it was a person and not a thing or anything. Stop your fibbing again will you. What is wrong with you? Are you well these days and not leaving your senses?

It is the Father with this power of Spirit. Read my words again and stop making a fuss over a zero argument.

Yes, Peter would say to you BoL, GOD THE FATHER, IT IS HIS SPIRIT, NOT some foreign strange deity you keep believing in!!!

I think I'm done baking this cake, as you want to burn it to cinders for some reason...go ahead I'm not in this kitchen anymore....

 

[BreadOfLife]

I just said it was a person and not a thing or anything. Stop your fibbing again will you. What is wrong with you? Are you well these days and not leaving your senses?

It is the Father with this power of Spirit. Read my words again and stop making a fuss over a zero argument.

Yes, Peter would say to you BoL, GOD THE FATHER, IT IS HIS SPIRIT, NOT some foreign strange deity you keep believing in!!!

I think I'm done baking this cake, as you want to burn it to cinders for some reason...go ahead I'm not in this kitchen anymore....

WRONG on BOTH counts.

The Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father (Matt. 10:20, Rom. 8:10-11, 2 Cor. 1:21-22, Eph. 3:14-16) and the Son (Rom. 8:9, Gal. 4:6, Phil. 1:19, 1 Pet. 1:11).

From BOTH the Father and the Son (Rev. 22:1).

You guys need to get on board with the TRUTH of God . . .

 

[Keturah]

That's because you lack faith in the Word of God.
I'll give you just THREE verses that probe you wrong:

In Rev. 1:8m Almighty God is speaking:
“I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty.”

In Rev. 22:13, JESUS is speaking:
“I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, at he beginning and the end.”

BOTH the Father and the Son are called the “Alpha and the Omega.”

In Acts 5:3-4, Peter refers to the Holy Spirit as “God”.
But Peter said, "Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit and keep back part of the price of the land for yourself? "While it remained, was it not your own? And after it was sold, was it not in your own control? Why have you conceived this thing in your heart? You have not lied to men but to GOD."

The Holy Spirit is also God.

Love it, thank you.

 

[Behold]

he represented his Father, God, in all ways and spoke his words and acted as him, God, he never once thought to think to say and believe he was an equal with his Father

Philippians 2:6

"""Jesus, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be... Equal.... with God:""""

 

[APAK]

WRONG on BOTH counts.

The Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father (Matt. 10:20, Rom. 8:10-11, 2 Cor. 1:21-22, Eph. 3:14-16) and the Son (Rom. 8:9, Gal. 4:6, Phil. 1:19, 1 Pet. 1:11).

From BOTH the Father and the Son (Rev. 22:1).

You guys need to get on board with the TRUTH of God . . .

So now since you have burned the cake in the other kitchen without any justification and qualification, you quickly move to and now proceed to bake another cake in another kitchen, like nothing just happened in the hope it will turn out great. And I wager you will over-bake this one as well because you cannot get your scripture to harmonize with your Creed.

BoL there is CONTEXT in scripture! Take Romans 8:9 for example, it does not mean that Jesus IS the Spirit of God, of the Father and also the source of it!

1.The scripture is saying that a genuine believer possesses God, the Father who proceeds or projects out of himself through his Spirit, his Holy Spirit and with power into his Son, the spirit of Christ. The Son shares in the Father's Spirit even today in heaven. And since the FATHER placed his Son's Spirit, OF CHRIST within us, and it's a quite different spirit, we thus have the Holy Spirit of the Father within us. We have the one Father, the one God in us!! We actually have both spirits. And the reason we have the Spirit of Christ within us is to grow us from a seed into his spirit fully. This is the Father's plan, for us to be Christlike.

And Gal 4:6 is a variation of Romans 9-11 with the same local context; and also Phil 1:19 and knowing that God gave us his Son's spirit and it is ACTIVE within us. And 1 Peter 1:11 is the same intent as Phil 1:19.

All these verses BoL DO NOT say that the Spirit of the Father proceeds out of his Son as if the Son is also the source of this same Spirit and that would cause much confusion, indeed. The Father shares his Spirit with his Son and he is the source. In turn we also partake of this same divine spirit nature of the Father the one God because of his Son.

(2Pe 1:2) May grace and peace be multiplied to you in the knowledge of God and of Jesus our Lord.

(2Pe 1:3) His divine power has granted to us all things that pertain to life and godliness, through the knowledge of him who called us to his own glory and excellence,
(2Pe 1:4) by which he has granted to us his precious and very great promises, so that through them you may become partakers of the divine nature, having escaped from the corruption that is in the world because of sinful desire.


(Rom 8:9) But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
(Rom 8:10) And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
(Rom 8:11) But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

God, the Father extends his Holy Spirit into Christ (dwells in him)+ The spirit of Christ in us (dwells in us) ------> means God is in us via Christ's spirit who is NOT God!